Cooper's contract as a starting QB

[Hawkeye0202]

Nobody with any sense really wants Cooper Rush as their long-term franchise QB.

There are two groups who want Cooper Rush

The first and main ones are the ones who just cannot stand Dak and do not think he is a good QB, they will take anyone else, even to the detriment to the team. It's just an agenda with them to get rid of Dak.

The second group are those who think Cooper Rush has found some magic and do not believe you replace a QB who is on a role because it will mess up the team.

Personally I think Dak is a better QB, but also think you keep Rush going as long as he is winning.

I see exactly what you're saying but it doesn't work that way coz you are basically benching Dak until the backup loses a game. Not that simple....

 

[zrinkill]

I see exactly what you're saying but it doesn't work that way coz you are basically benching Dak until the backup loses a game. Not that simple....

Same thing Dak did with Romo.
Goose and Gander and wats not

 

[terra]

This team has learned the HARD WAY what not having a good backup means.

Bluntly speaking the numbies that whine about paying more than the minimum for a good backup show just how badly they fail football 101

 

[viman96]

No doubt Cooper has increased his value to the Cowboys and will not be surprised if another team gives him the opportunity to start.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

It's a quarterback starved league. Look at some of the contracts that have been offered after a limited showcasing. Of course I think the money won't be outrageous either, at least based on this market.

Time will tell.

 

[MyFairLady]

I am with the majority of the sensible people in this post. He has worked his way up to 10 million per year for 2 years.

 

[terra]

The teams with really lousy starters will be trying to draft someone. Now I could see a smart GM looking for a bridge QB to allow a raw QB to learn without being thrown into the fire right off.

 

[jterrell]

Zero NFL teams view Rush as a starting QB.
Fan silliness means zero when it comes to contracts.

I expect some team to offer Rush a solid back up deal.
Something akin to 6M a year for 4 years(24M) to be a plus backup.

Dallas might offer about 16M over that same period and he'd have to choose.

There are QBs every year who get thrust into starting roles and perform well but those guys seldom have any staying power.
On film Rush's strengths are shining through but so are his weaknesses.

Saw Jimmy G mentioned but that is not the same universe. Jimmy was a 2nd round pick that sat behind the GOAT. Teams did view him as a starter at that point. Even now he is viewed as a low tier starter.

Rush is going to fall below Baker Mayfeild and Sam Darnold and Mitch Trubisky in QB ethos.
He'll be in direct competition with Garner Minshew and guys like that for high paying back up jobs.


---All that said I do see the underlying point here directed at goofy fans, If you go with Rush you are going with a guy out of contract and unrestricted at year's end.

 

[terra]

Just as there are nowhere near enough starting QBs in the NFL, there is a real shortage of good backups. Cooper has already established himself as a good backup and he can make very good money that way. Of course everyone wants to be the starter but some smart ones have lasted a very long time as backups. Look how long Mirer hung around; and there are more than a few other examples.

 

[Loso86]

Y'all think Cooper has value on the open market? lol.

If y'all really think someone is going to offer this guy more than 9 million, you're dreaming.

Sadly bro this is the NFL and over paid QB league je will get paid, especially if he wins a few more games

 

[terra]

Zero NFL teams view Rush as a starting QB.
Fan silliness means zero when it comes to contracts.

I expect some team to offer Rush a solid back up deal.
Something akin to 6M a year for 4 years(24M) to be a plus backup.

Dallas might offer about 16M over that same period and he'd have to choose.

There are QBs every year who get thrust into starting roles and perform well but those guys seldom have any staying power.
On film Rush's strengths are shining through but so are his weaknesses.

Saw Jimmy G mentioned but that is not the same universe. Jimmy was a 2nd round pick that sat behind the GOAT. Teams did view him as a starter at that point. Even now he is viewed as a low tier starter.

Rush is going to fall below Baker Mayfeild and Sam Darnold and Mitch Trubisky in QB ethos.
He'll be in direct competition with Garner Minshew and guys like that for high paying back up jobs.


---All that said I do see the underlying point here directed at goofy fans, If you go with Rush you are going with a guy out of contract and unrestricted at year's end.

So, how much time did you spend as a NFL GM an what was your record?
You sound like Matt Millen.

 

[blueblood70]

I fell down laughing at your slavish worship of our clown show Front Office.

NO worship

stated facts, don't use emotions like Many of you.. this place is full of kneejerk and inaccurate narratives. facts.. hope you didn't hurt yourself falling down. well a limp would be little funny

 

[Streifenkarl]

I voted for Dak as our starter. So while I'm not the target audience of this thread I'd like to share my thoughts.

Cooper is doing a fantastic job. He's probably the best backup QB in the league right now. Well, maybe just behind Jimmy G. But I doubt he could be the starter for any team and carry them for a whole season. So what team would pick him up as their starter? IF he can win against the Rams and Philly, then probably a few. Otherwise he'll be the backup forever. And what team is gonna pay a huge amount of money for a backup QB?

So if he loses the next two games, resign him for a reasonable amount of money. He has proven himself, seems to be a great teammate and knows the system. As far as I am concerned he can end his career here in Dallas.

If he wins those next two games, he'll just be too expensive. We need that cap money elsewhere. In that case let him go and try Grier next. But the question is: could we do anything to be able to trade him for some picks though? Like resign and then trade? Dunno...

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Zero NFL teams view Rush as a starting QB.

100% ....my entire point. Winning a few games as a backup doesn't make him a legit NFL starting QB. In fact, I have said before, he's only what every team expects from their 2nd string QB. Manage the position, and win a few games but don't lose games.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

could we do anything to be able to trade him for some picks though? L

No! He's a free agent after the season. Only way we can trade him via franchise tag at @29M.......that ain't happening. He would sign that in a heartbeat, now you are stuck paying him $29M and Dak 40M.

 

[Cowfan75]

He's better than Dak, but you're not signing the guy to big money...well, not if you're sane, anyway. But how about we focus on getting our QB of the future, someone that Jerry picks with what brain he has left instead of his heart.

 

[DanTanna]

Jerry and Spawn do NOT want Cooper to play in any more games. IIf he excells for a few more games he's gone. If he doesn't play there is still a big question mark and he'll probably stay. I want him to play the rest of the season. No more firing it to Shultz on a 3 yard out pattern on 3rd and 10. That has disappeared in the last 3 games.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Y'all think Cooper has value on the open market? lol.

If y'all really think someone is going to offer this guy more than 9 million, you're dreaming.

While the plan was always to bring him back, and he was only cut so certain veterans could be added to IR...let's not forget this guy was literally out there for anyone in the league to claim or otherwise sign.

And this was *after* having a full regular season game's worth of film...

He's a back up QB...that's it

If you want us to move on from Dak, that's fine...but the answer isn't starting Cooper long term

 

[CWR]

Time will tell.

Matt Flynn got 26 million based on much less.

That said, we are in agreement. Time will tell.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

One bus driver on this team is enough. Dak is an albatross around this team's neck....Jerry pooped the bed on that one. As for a starting job for Coop, he is a lot better than some out there already. You think Geno Smith, Justin Fields, Taysom Hill, Mayfield, Davis Mills are all starting QB worthy right now? Get real. Not talking about elite QB starting money for Cooper, but he certainly would be making 20x or more what he makes now. Not bad at all. Reality is numerous teams have no real franchise QB starting for them.

Do you even have a clue what the guys you are mentioning are making?

Geno Smith - 3.5m cap hit, FA next year. Also having success with a team less talented than Dallas.

Justin Fields - Cap hit this year 4m, next year 5m, year after 6m.

Taysom Hill? Not even playing QB anymore.

Baker Mayfield - 4.9m cap hit, FA next year.

Davis Mills - 1.7m cap hit

So none of those guys is making big money. Let me take the high drafted rookies from the last few years out of the picture.

Mitch Trubisky - 3.6m

Jameis Winston - 4m

Marcus Mariota - 4.5m

Jacoby Brissett - 4.65m

Teddy Bridgewater - 6.5m

Jimmy Garropolo - 14m

Matt Ryan - 19m

I don't think anyone is going to pay Rush 20m a year to be a stop gap. The guys that have mentioned 10-12m are probably more likely. No one is signing Rush to be a franchise QB. He is going to be a signing for a team that has no one to start and will be looking to draft someone to be their franchise QB.