Cost for moving Cowboys video board will be "at least $2 million"

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A view from the other side of the punt.....

On football: Video board looms as 'Jerry's Folly' of 'Boys' field

By David Climer, The Tennessean
For $1.2 billion, shouldn't somebody — an engineer, a coach, maybe even an owner — have defined how high to hang those high-def video screens at the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium?
We've got a problem deep in the heart of Texas. Think of it as Jerry's Folly.

In his haste to include as many bells and whistles as possible in his new stadium/pleasure dome, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones failed to make sure the $40 million video board that stretches from one 20-yard line to the other was suspended high enough above the playing surface.

In what was one of the few moments worth remembering in the Tennessee Titans' preseason game against the Cowboys on Friday night, Titans backup punter A.J. Trapasso planted a kick solidly into the Jerrytron.

Jones' reaction was about what you would expect. Instead of admitting that somebody had made a mistake, he accused Trapasso of intentionally aiming for the board.

"How high is high if somebody just wants to sit there and kick straight up?" Jones said.

A better question: How arrogant is arrogant enough?

Titans coach Jeff Fisher saw this one coming. When he walked onto the field prior to the game, he spoke with punter Craig Hentrich.

"He said, 'There's going to be a problem here,' " Fisher recalled.

According to the Cowboys' website, the video board is suspended 90 feet over the field. That is only marginally higher than the ceiling at the Titans' indoor practice facility. And the Titans never work on live punting drills indoors since the ceiling is too low.

OK, it's really no harm, no foul — for now. Preseason games are needed to work out the glitches, whether it is the Titans' rushing offense or the height of the video board. By rule, the play was nullified when the ball hit the board. It was replayed.

This is a joke. Look, a do-over in an NFL game is considerably different from the chair official calling a let on a point at Wimbledon.

When a punt is struck, 10 players from the coverage team sprint downfield in a hell-bent effort to make the tackle. At the same time, 10 players from the receiving team do whatever is legal — and oftentimes a few things that are illegal — to keep the coverage team at bay.

The chance of injury on punt returns is higher than a normal play from scrimmage. Those who play on special teams know they are putting their careers at risk.

So what happens when somebody blows out a knee while covering a punt that strikes the video board? The officials rule it a non-play, but try telling that to the guy whose knee just unraveled. He's facing reconstructive surgery and 10 months of rehab. The play in question seems very real to him.

For Jones to turn a blind eye to the video board error is utter foolishness. That would be like Fisher saying he sees nothing wrong with the way the Titans offense has performed in the preseason and has no plans to make any changes.

But that's a different column for a different day.

The Tennessean is owned by Gannett, parent company of USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-08-23-climer-on-football_N.htm
 

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Who cares how much it costs ?

Either Jerry or the NFL will pay the price. Most likely the NFL. Which means that it is evenly spread across the league.
 

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casmith07;2899842 said:
Great post, DallasEast. Love the epic fail of Trapasso on the one with the "explosion" graphic haha!
On a serious note, though, not many care to discuss where the punter was attempting to kick the ball DOWNfield.

Someone posted great pics on the other video board thread of where the ball actually connected with the Mitsubishi Electric sign. That explosion graphic is actually five yards farther downfield than where Trapasso actually hit the sign.

Trapasso kicked from the Tennessee 36.

The ball hit the sign approximately at the 50.

That means that the ball traveled 90 feet up at practically the apex of its arc 15 yards from him.

Unless the guy has bionic parts, the ball was going to travel less than 40 yards downfield even if the video board wasn't there. It's geometry.

Trapasso has a strong leg. He knew where to punt the ball in proportion to the video board (he discovered that during pregame warmups).

So, the question becomes whether he intended to punt the ball around the 30 (maybe 25) yard line? Or was he intending to punt further downfield, say to the 20? Or to the 15? Or etc., etc.?

Geometry would suggest the former and not the latter.
 

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Arch Stanton;2899907 said:
On football: Video board looms as 'Jerry's Folly' of 'Boys' field

By David Climer, The Tennessean

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So what happens when somebody blows out a knee while covering a punt that strikes the video board? The officials rule it a non-play, but try telling that to the guy whose knee just unraveled. He's facing reconstructive surgery and 10 months of rehab. The play in question seems very real to him.
Oh. Let's lay the unnecessary melodrama on very thick, shall we? Playing the hypothetical injury angle. Nice. I wonder how outraged Mr. Climer will become after he witnesses someone on the Titans' defense leading with their helmet into a receiver?

Yeah. I'm sure that article will be flaming hot. :rolleyes:
 

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It is too big. Did the same person who designed the indoor practice field decide how low the screen needs to hang?
 

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I think Jerry's biggest issue with moving the board has to do with taking care of his highest paying season ticket holders.

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Sections C210 and C235 and the areas just outside them, marked by the thin lines are the highest priced seats in the stadium (which aren't suites). The seats below them, which are closer to the field, are substantially less expensive. The Cowboys also consider seats outside that area but on that 2nd level to be the best seats, and sold them that way. The reason for this is that those seats offer a view of the field and video monitor within the same field of vision.

I have seats in C112, for which the PCL's were a lot, but over $100 grand less then the "elite" seats. There are other advantages to having those "elite" seats, but if he has to raise the screen by 25', he takes away the main reason for selling those seats as the best in the house. How do you go to your ticketholders and tell them they're not gonna get what they paid for after all, and sorry but they misjudged it.

Personally, I like being closer to the field and am very happy with my seats. It's not a big deal to me to have to look up to see the Godzillavision for the replay, and I'm into watching what I want to watch, not what's delivered on the screen. But I'm not the guy (or gal) who ponied up the bigger bucks for their seats, and Jerry isn't going to whiz all over the folks who gave him the most money. Those are also the areas where seats remain unsold, and he can't discount them now to sell them, or sell them if he doesn't manage to deliver what he promised.

Thinking about it from that angle, and the fact the NFL signed off on this, I can see why he would refuse to move the screens, and why the cost of doing it isn't the central issue for Jerry.
 

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goons;2899989 said:
I think Jerry's biggest issue with moving the board has to do with taking care of his highest paying season ticket holders.

new-dallas-cowboys-stadium-arlington-seating-chart.jpg


Sections C210 and C235 and the areas just outside them, marked by the thin lines are the highest priced seats in the stadium (which aren't suites). The seats below them, which are closer to the field, are substantially less expensive. The Cowboys also consider seats outside that area but on that 2nd level to be the best seats, and sold them that way. The reason for this is that those seats offer a view of the field and video monitor within the same field of vision.

I have seats in C112, for which the PCL's were a lot, but over $100 grand less then the "elite" seats. There are other advantages to having those "elite" seats, but if he has to raise the screen by 25', he takes away the main reason for selling those seats as the best in the house. How do you go to your ticketholders and tell them they're not gonna get what they paid for after all, and sorry but they misjudged it.

Personally, I like being closer to the field and am very happy with my seats. It's not a big deal to me to have to look up to see the Godzillavision for the replay, and I'm into watching what I want to watch, not what's delivered on the screen. But I'm not the guy (or gal) who ponied up the bigger bucks for their seats, and Jerry isn't going to whiz all over the folks who gave him the most money. Those are also the areas where seats remain unsold, and he can't discount them now to sell them, or sell them if he doesn't manage to deliver what he promised.

Thinking about it from that angle, and the fact the NFL signed off on this, I can see why he would refuse to move the screens, and why the cost of doing it isn't the central issue for Jerry.
Very nice post.
 

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Eh...I saw the board from the 2nd level close to the 50 yard line and I think you could raise it A LOT and still have great visibility of the field and screen. When you come into the stadium at ground level, which is right at the top of the 2nd level, the board is just about at eye level. You have to look down to see the bottom and up to see the top of it.
 

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A guy who works for the company making the parts for moving the screen called Surius and said they were shipping this week but it would take some time to get them installed. He said the board could not only be lowered and rasied but moved horizontally.
 

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Bleu Star;2899511 said:
That's not entirely true. If you're around your own 45 or on the 50 you punt straight up to let the coverage team get down and down it hopefully inside the 10. This creates a problem since we have a monstrosity of metal that stretches 60 yards from one 20 yard line to the other.

I know Jerry's pride was hurt when that punt went straight up into the board.


Any Project Manager who was building the board and location specifications would have done his due dilliigence and found out that it could be hit by a punter with ease. I am sure the reason it is where it is is because the league provided the specification and Jerry went with it. I am sure this board can be moved with ease as they knew ahead of time this board was going to get hit. I am sure Jerry has already had this discussion many time with the engineers. Come on you don't build a 1.2Billion dollar stadium with an issue like this and not have a back up plan....
 

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Arch Stanton;2899907 said:
A view from the other side of the punt.....

On football: Video board looms as 'Jerry's Folly' of 'Boys' field

By David Climer, The Tennessean
For $1.2 billion, shouldn't somebody — an engineer, a coach, maybe even an owner — have defined how high to hang those high-def video screens at the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium?
We've got a problem deep in the heart of Texas. Think of it as Jerry's Folly.

In his haste to include as many bells and whistles as possible in his new stadium/pleasure dome, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones failed to make sure the $40 million video board that stretches from one 20-yard line to the other was suspended high enough above the playing surface.

In what was one of the few moments worth remembering in the Tennessee Titans' preseason game against the Cowboys on Friday night, Titans backup punter A.J. Trapasso planted a kick solidly into the Jerrytron.

Jones' reaction was about what you would expect. Instead of admitting that somebody had made a mistake, he accused Trapasso of intentionally aiming for the board.

"How high is high if somebody just wants to sit there and kick straight up?" Jones said.

A better question: How arrogant is arrogant enough?

Titans coach Jeff Fisher saw this one coming. When he walked onto the field prior to the game, he spoke with punter Craig Hentrich.

"He said, 'There's going to be a problem here,' " Fisher recalled.

According to the Cowboys' website, the video board is suspended 90 feet over the field. That is only marginally higher than the ceiling at the Titans' indoor practice facility. And the Titans never work on live punting drills indoors since the ceiling is too low.

OK, it's really no harm, no foul — for now. Preseason games are needed to work out the glitches, whether it is the Titans' rushing offense or the height of the video board. By rule, the play was nullified when the ball hit the board. It was replayed.

This is a joke. Look, a do-over in an NFL game is considerably different from the chair official calling a let on a point at Wimbledon.

When a punt is struck, 10 players from the coverage team sprint downfield in a hell-bent effort to make the tackle. At the same time, 10 players from the receiving team do whatever is legal — and oftentimes a few things that are illegal — to keep the coverage team at bay.

The chance of injury on punt returns is higher than a normal play from scrimmage. Those who play on special teams know they are putting their careers at risk.

So what happens when somebody blows out a knee while covering a punt that strikes the video board? The officials rule it a non-play, but try telling that to the guy whose knee just unraveled. He's facing reconstructive surgery and 10 months of rehab. The play in question seems very real to him.

For Jones to turn a blind eye to the video board error is utter foolishness. That would be like Fisher saying he sees nothing wrong with the way the Titans offense has performed in the preseason and has no plans to make any changes.

But that's a different column for a different day.

The Tennessean is owned by Gannett, parent company of USA TODAY

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-08-23-climer-on-football_N.htm


Wow. With the inattention to important details and the snarky attitude of this article, this guy could get a job at a Dallas newspaper.
 

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They were talking on the radio about how Jerry had a guy from the NFL commitee and Goddell himself OK the board before it was constructed. They said he is mad about it and plans to make them change the rule concerning how high things have to be off the ground. Right now it is 80 feet. They said almost all the other stadiums have things including score boards that low. They are much smaller then the big screen so they didn't get hit. If the rule is changed all those things will have to be moved as well and the other owners will not go for it. Also they said those cameras on wires that give the 3d view would be too low and have to go.
 

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Bungarian;2900210 said:
They were talking on the radio about how Jerry had a guy from the NFL commitee and Goddell himself OK the board before it was constructed. They said he is mad about it and plans to make them change the rule concerning how high things have to be off the ground. Right now it is 80 feet. They said almost all the other stadiums have things including score boards that low. They are much smaller then the big screen so they didn't get hit. If the rule is changed all those things will have to be moved as well and the other owners will not go for it. Also they said those cameras on wires that give the 3d view would be too low and have to go.
Some really good points here. How come no one ever made a big deal about the other stadiums that have things hanging 90 yards or so from the field? Yeah, the Cowboys are always the story - even with a drama queen like Favre around.
 

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can someone explain why if it hits the scoreboard it is a rekick?

i understand if there was something like a person in the stadium unning on field naked, but what rule allows a rekick. It is seems they just pulled that of thin air. Can someone please explain it.

Thanks
 

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Taz;2900264 said:
can someone explain why if it hits the scoreboard it is a rekick?

i understand if there was something like a person in the stadium unning on field naked, but what rule allows a rekick. It is seems they just pulled that of thin air. Can someone please explain it.

Thanks

What other option is there? It's not fair to the kicking team to place the ball where it came down.
 
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