Could the Top 5 QBs Overcome This OL and WR Depth?

[thunderpimp91]

Nobody could overcome Jerry and his cohorts.

If Brady had come to Dallas instead of Bucs ....... He would not be considered the goat right now ..... They would be saying it was all the system in New England.

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Don't want this to come across as a Dak hate post, but I could disagree completely. Brady clearly has been next level and been able to elevate the talent around him. Plus with Brady Dallas also probably had Gronk the last couple seasons as well. I just can't see this offense stalling out the way it did last year after the Broncos game with Brady at QB. Brady essentially adds another offensive coordinator to the team....one that is on the field in real-time. The guy reads defenses easily in a way that only comes with 20 years of experience.

 

[zrinkill]

Don't want this to come across as a Dak hate post, but I could disagree completely. Brady clearly has been next level and been able to elevate the talent around him. Plus with Brady Dallas also probably had Gronk the last couple seasons as well. I just can't see this offense stalling out the way it did last year after the Broncos game with Brady at QB. Brady essentially adds another offensive coordinator to the team....one that is on the field in real-time. The guy reads defenses easily in a way that only comes with 20 years of experience.

I disagree ...... Jerry cannot build a team around even a next level guy ....... Brady would get crippled here while Jerry was whistling counting his money.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Joe Burrow overcame being sacked a league leading 51 times and made it to the SB. Some guys have it and some dont

This does not apply for us in Dallas as we need the perfect roster around our QB to beat the NFC East teams.......

 

[thunderpimp91]

I disagree ...... Jerry cannot build a team around even a next level guy ....... Brady would get crippled here while Jerry was whistling counting his money.

You do know this team won 12 games a season ago, right? Not like this team was on par with Jacksonville. If you're saying Brady couldnt play here then he probably couldnt play with about 25 other teams in the league.

 

[zrinkill]

You do know this team won 12 games a season ago, right? Not like this team was on par with Jacksonville. If you're saying Brady couldnt play here then he probably couldnt play with about 25 other teams in the league.

You do know half those games came against the WFT, Eagles, and Giants right?
Brady would have killed those high school level teams and then got destroyed in the playoffs when the 49'rs beat up everyone around him.

 

[McKDaddy]

What about Mahomes in the SB with all of his WR's and RB's, but yet struggled with 2 of his OL out?
He could not overcome that.

True, they didn't prevail but he gave them a chance which is more than almost anyone else could have done.

 

[McKDaddy]

Top QB's can overcome a lot. Of course there is a limit to what even they can do.

Multiple OL issues are difficult for anyone.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Joe Burrow overcame being sacked a league leading 51 times and made it to the SB. Some guys have it and some dont

Cincy also has incredible talent at the skill positions.

To answer the OP's question, Rodgers, Allen and Mahomes are the only QBs who I could bank on making it work anywhere and with anyone.

 

[thunderpimp91]

You do know half those games came against the WFT, Eagles, and Giants right?
Brady would have killed those high school level teams and then got destroyed in the playoffs when the 49'rs beat up everyone around him.

How many 12 win teams dont half their wins weren't against bad teams? And if we are lumping the Eagles into auto W territory then half the league gets that same status. Green bay didn't have another team over .500 in their division. Tampa was in a weak division, Tennessee may have had a worse division opponents than the Cowboys did.

The Cowboys lost to the 49ers by 6 points and had the ball at the end of the game. I'm not here to rip Dak, but Brady gives this team a better chance to win that game....it wasn't exactly a blowout.

 

[ondaedg]

So, this is certainly not meant to be a Dak-hate thread. I know many of us have taken a "show me" approach with Dak. I was one of his biggest defenders until last season when I had to start acknowledging that many of the negative narratives, while often over-exaggerated, had quite a bit of truth to them.

I don't follow other teams and players around the league like I do Dallas, so my question is how many of the best/ top 5 QBs in the league have overcome a similar lack of WR depth and patchwork O-line Dak is seemingly going to have to work with this year and gone on to make a playoff run? I know Rodgers is constantly brought up (though having Devante Adams certainly helps). Maybe Brady in New England a few years? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what point the offensive roster gets to where it's fair to cut Dak a break, even with his contract. I know myself and many others feel like this is a prove it/make it or break it year for Dak, and I guess I wonder at what point do I reconsider that? Since Dak is paid like a top QB it makes me wonder how many other top QBs have been in a comparable situation and still gone on to excel? I think we could also apply the same question about Kellen. The OC is going to have to get creative in an unpredictable way.

Montana had guys like Clark and Rice. Elway had the three amigos, Sharpe and Terrell Davis. Peyton had Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and Marvin Harrison. The list goes on and on. What you will never find is any elite QB who won a super bowl without at least one or two star WRs/TEs. The few exceptions were the teams with the legendary defenses like the 2000 Ravens, the 2014 Seahawks, 85 Bears, etc etc. Dak is a good to great qb but to expect him to do more with less than these hall of famers is ludicrous.

 

[shabazz]

Cincy also has incredible talent at the skill positions.

To answer the OP's question, Rodgers, Allen and Mahomes are the only QBs who I could bank on making it work anywhere and with anyone.

some would say left tackle and center are skill positions…..Burrow being sacked a league leading 51 ti es suggest they be needing some more talent…..not having enough time to throw makes having people at “skill positions “ a moot point

 

[Rockport]

So, this is certainly not meant to be a Dak-hate thread. I know many of us have taken a "show me" approach with Dak. I was one of his biggest defenders until last season when I had to start acknowledging that many of the negative narratives, while often over-exaggerated, had quite a bit of truth to them.

I don't follow other teams and players around the league like I do Dallas, so my question is how many of the best/ top 5 QBs in the league have overcome a similar lack of WR depth and patchwork O-line Dak is seemingly going to have to work with this year and gone on to make a playoff run? I know Rodgers is constantly brought up (though having Devante Adams certainly helps). Maybe Brady in New England a few years? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what point the offensive roster gets to where it's fair to cut Dak a break, even with his contract. I know myself and many others feel like this is a prove it/make it or break it year for Dak, and I guess I wonder at what point do I reconsider that? Since Dak is paid like a top QB it makes me wonder how many other top QBs have been in a comparable situation and still gone on to excel? I think we could also apply the same question about Kellen. The OC is going to have to get creative in an unpredictable way.

You haven’t even seen this team play yet.

 

[Rockport]

This does not apply for us in Dallas as we need the perfect roster around our QB to beat the NFC East teams.......

 

[erod]

He had Chase, Boyd, Mixon, Higgins, Uzomah

Not any better than what is here. And Burrow had a MUCH worse line.

 

[Whirlwin]

Some of us can answer the question without dispariging the messiah

Mahomes choked. And then it was Burroughs turn. That’s what happened

 

[GoldenR]

This does not apply for us in Dallas as we need the perfect roster around our QB to beat the NFC East teams.......

Every year the excuses will flow and flow and flow and flow and flow .......According to some, offensive line has been horrible for 6 years! Clowns!

 

[75boyz]

Montana had guys like Clark and Rice. Elway had the three amigos, Sharpe and Terrell Davis. Peyton had Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and Marvin Harrison. The list goes on and on. What you will never find is any elite QB who won a super bowl without at least one or two star WRs/TEs. The few exceptions were the teams with the legendary defenses like the 2000 Ravens, the 2014 Seahawks, 85 Bears, etc etc. Dak is a good to great qb but to expect him to do more with less than these hall of famers is ludicrous.

Brady's first , second and third SB wins was with pedestrian or below WRs at best.

Troy Brown, David Patten, David Givens and Deion Branch with Daniel Graham at TE. No household names, not even a Hall of Very Good imo, much less any Hall of Famers there. Good to above average, all of them.

And Hoodie's dee was solid but far from legendary status.

 

[Nav22]

some would say left tackle and center are skill positions…..Burrow being sacked a league leading 51 ti es suggest they be needing some more talent…..not having enough time to throw makes having people at “skill positions “ a moot point

Cincy’s OL was ranked middle of the pack.

The 51 sacks were because Burrow holds the ball too long. This has been covered here.

Drew Bledsoe was sacked a ton behind the Cowboys OL... until a mobile QB took his spot, then suddenly the OL was pretty good.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So, this is certainly not meant to be a Dak-hate thread. I know many of us have taken a "show me" approach with Dak. I was one of his biggest defenders until last season when I had to start acknowledging that many of the negative narratives, while often over-exaggerated, had quite a bit of truth to them.

I don't follow other teams and players around the league like I do Dallas, so my question is how many of the best/ top 5 QBs in the league have overcome a similar lack of WR depth and patchwork O-line Dak is seemingly going to have to work with this year and gone on to make a playoff run? I know Rodgers is constantly brought up (though having Devante Adams certainly helps). Maybe Brady in New England a few years? I'm just trying to wrap my head around what point the offensive roster gets to where it's fair to cut Dak a break, even with his contract. I know myself and many others feel like this is a prove it/make it or break it year for Dak, and I guess I wonder at what point do I reconsider that? Since Dak is paid like a top QB it makes me wonder how many other top QBs have been in a comparable situation and still gone on to excel? I think we could also apply the same question about Kellen. The OC is going to have to get creative in an unpredictable way.

Its more then that. Its also no run game.

And what does overcome mean? Overcome to win a SB? That is a 100% absolutely no chance.

Dak is paid as the #7 QB in the NFL which is about where he is ranking wise. Dak had one of his best seasons ever last year, so some of your comments seem a little odd.

 

[CowboyRoy]

The best QB in the NFL will struggle with no protection, and the worst QB in the league will pick you apart if he has all day to throw.

I'm a LOT more worried about the O-line than WR though.

Looks like you are a guy that truly understand football.