Cowboys believe Peters and Tyron back for 2023

[blueblood70]

It's the Jerry Jones way.... let's keep the band together.....if it aint broke dont fix it....lol

they are quality depth guys as swings, nothing wrong with keeping them here. 77 has guaranteed deal from what I've read, meaning if cut it cost us the same as if he stays.. Peters was relatively cheap..they shood stay but not be counted on as starters,

if they weren't on our team last year , maybe not finished with more then 9 wins. steele went down for the season, conner went down a few times, TylerB missed time. Steel wont be ready game 1 possibly so again, they are necessary for depth.

 

[bottleKids]

I could be in the minority, but I don't get excited about Jason Peters coming back going into his 42 year of life. Plus he has not been fully healthy in one season for as long as I can remember for the Eagles.

 

[xwalker]

I guess that's not the worst plan.

If we want Tyler to be a T though, Tyron does become a progress stopper. He had a very promising year at the spot and I'd hate to see that go to waste.

If the vision is for Tyler to be G, then yeah, keeping Tyron makes sense

Who plays RT in game 1 of 2023?

 

[blueblood70]

Who plays RT in game 1 of 2023?

they forget Steele won't be ready early on has to be Tyron and maybe Wally comes along a bit. Ball and Wally will get extensive play time in pre-season etc

 

[xwalker]

Let's assume Peters and Tyron are back next year, does the OL look like Tyler Smith, McGovern, Biadsz, Martin, Steele/Tyron Smith?

Probably don't re-sign McGovern if Tyron stays.

Then when Steele returns, Tyron moves to LT and Tyler moves to LG.

 

[jterrell]

NEWSFLASH!!!!
Every GM say they think everyone is back this time of year.

This stuff is not news and not reporting at all.
The extension piece about Dak... sure, I guess, if one is that bored.
The rest is literally nothing.

 

[blueblood70]

Probably don't re-sign McGovern if Tyron stays.

Then when Steele returns, Tyron moves to LT and Tyler moves to LG.

I say keep 77 and peters as swing guys, let go of Conner, and draft a physical LG who excels in the run game. I dont want to move around tyler. let him grow at LT.

 

[xwalker]

I could be in the minority, but I don't get excited about Jason Peters coming back going into his 42 year of life. Plus he has not been fully healthy in one season for as long as I can remember for the Eagles.

He started 15 games in 2021.

He is cheap.

He is now a player-coach.

They can put him on the practice squad to start the season.

 

[jterrell]

Probably don't re-sign McGovern if Tyron stays.

Then when Steele returns, Tyron moves to LT and Tyler moves to LG.

Tyron has significantly less chance of coming back then Zeke does IMO.
Dallas is going to stick with Tyler at LT and Tyron was pretty bad at RT.
Tyron has a 17.6M cap hit with almost 14M in base.
But team is also not going to just announce that mess.
They'll work quietly behind closed doors to get him to retire.

 

[xwalker]

Tyron has significantly less chance of coming back then Zeke does IMO.
Dallas is going to stick with Tyler at LT and Tyron was pretty bad at RT.
Tyron has a 17.6M cap hit with almost 14M in base.
But team is also not going to just announce that mess.
They'll work quietly behind closed doors to get him to retire.

Tyron was good at RT. Not perfect but good.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds058]

It's the Jerry Jones way.... let's keep the band together.....if it aint broke dont fix it....lol

Yes, he doesn’t consider 27 years broken. Let’s keep kicking the can down the road like Opie Taylor in one of the episode.

 

[jterrell]

Tyron was good at RT. Not perfect but good.

He graded out very poorly by PFF and Football Outsiders.
Those are the only two sites I know that offer individual grades.

To the naked eye he was simply not good.
He survived at best often preventing sacks but allowing pressures and he was unmentionably bad in the run game.
Easily a large step down from Terence Steele.

I have no doubt he would be a solid LT option (around league average) for his healthy games but the team isn't going to move off Tyler who scored well at LT and is cheap.
And they can't pay 14M base to Tyron at this point with 2020 and 2022 being nearly wasted seasons.

All that said they are bringing in a new OL coach and Mike will control offensive personnel so maybe they reverse course with Tyler Smith but that would seem a criminally stupid thing to do.
They better get the best value out of that man on this rookie deal.
And he looks like a Pro bowl fixture at LT.

If you release Tyron as a June 1st cut and bring him back on an incentive laden deal with games played incentive, he would cost you very little in new money and save you at least 10M in cap space.

 

[blueblood70]

Tyron has significantly less chance of coming back then Zeke does IMO.
Dallas is going to stick with Tyler at LT and Tyron was pretty bad at RT.
Tyron has a 17.6M cap hit with almost 14M in base.
But team is also not going to just announce that mess.
They'll work quietly behind closed doors to get him to retire.

but nearly 9mil in dead cap if cut for Tyron and 6 for zeke. so iMHO if zeke restructures to 2 yrs 12 he would be easier to keep. i mean hes paid that regardless. would Tyron restructure down that much? have to watch dead cap as well. but TS saving us 10mil if cut says hes likely to not be here over zeke should Zeke agree to that deal.

 

[xwalker]

He graded out very poorly by PFF and Football Outsiders.
Those are the only two sites I know that offer individual grades.

To the naked eye he was simply not good.
He survived at best often preventing sacks but allowing pressures and he was unmentionably bad in the run game.
Easily a large step down from Terence Steele.

I have no doubt he would be a solid LT option (around league average) for his healthy games but the team isn't going to move off Tyler who scored well at LT and is cheap.
And they can't pay 14M base to Tyron at this point with 2020 and 2022 being nearly wasted seasons.

All that said they are bringing in a new OL coach and Mike will control offensive personnel so maybe they reverse course with Tyler Smith but that would seem a criminally stupid thing to do.
They better get the best value out of that man on this rookie deal.
And he looks like a Pro bowl fixture at LT.

If you release Tyron as a June 1st cut and bring him back on an incentive laden deal with games played incentive, he would cost you very little in new money and save you at least 10M in cap space.

It is basically impossible to put a number grade on blocking using the PFF methodology.

I review the games myself on the All-22 which also includes the High End Zone camera angle.

i just reviewed all of Tyron's snaps vs the 49ers. He was good. Not perfect, but blocking is never perfect.
- He looks good physically.
- The worst snap was when he didn't pick up a blitzing Safety.
- He saw the Safety but didn't block him and instead helped the TE block the DE.

 

[xwalker]

but nearly 9mil in dead cap if cut for Tyron and 6 for zeke. so iMHO if zeke restructures to 2 yrs 12 he would be easier to keep. i mean hes paid that regardless. would Tyron restructure down that much? have to watch dead cap as well. but TS saving us 10mil if cut says hes likely to not be here over zeke should Zeke agree to that deal.

Don't worry about dead money, etc..
- Dead money hits the cap at some point regardless of keep or cut.
- When he player is on the roster it's called prorated money and when they're gone it's dead money.

The cost to keep Zeke on his current contract is 10.9 million.
- i.e. It would add 10.9M to the combined cap totals for 2023 and 2024 if they keep him vs cut him.
- They can restructure other contract is they need to move cap space from 2024 into 2023.

 

[quickccc]

If money works then yes please. If Peters can stay in shape. He may not make it through training camp. And I can’t wait to see what Elliot and that idiot agent has in mind for a pay cut he said he will take. JJ don’t need him that bad. Pollard either really. I see us drafting RB before 5th round.

They will likely give him several "vet days" off .. and limited practices. Would not be surprised if he just does cord and wind sprints. But they will have to make it conditional with his
age and weight not to wear and burn him out in summer heat.

 

[blueblood70]

Don't worry about dead money, etc..
- Dead money hits the cap at some point regardless of keep or cut.
- When he player is on the roster it's called prorated money and when they're gone it's dead money.

The cost to keep Zeke on his current contract is 10.9 million.
- i.e. It would add 10.9M to the combined cap totals for 2023 and 2024 if they keep him vs cut him.
- They can restructure other contract is they need to move cap space from 2024 into 2023.

how much would it cost to CUT him outright? its confusing to say the least.

 

[Gaede]

Who plays RT in game 1 of 2023?

Sign a swing guy and get by. The Bengals made it to the AFC championship 2 yrs in a row with scrubs across the line.

 

[jterrell]

but nearly 9mil in dead cap if cut for Tyron and 6 for zeke. so iMHO if zeke restructures to 2 yrs 12 he would be easier to keep. i mean hes paid that regardless. would Tyron restructure down that much? have to watch dead cap as well. but TS saving us 10mil if cut says hes likely to not be here over zeke should Zeke agree to that deal.

Tyron is owed 8M in dead cap if cut BEFORE June 1st.
If cut after he would cost 4M this year in dead cap, 4M next year

A vet min deal plus say 500K a game bonus.
2m vet min base, 2M likely to be earned bonus(4 ganes x 500K). 4M cap hit. --8M in cap hit total, Down 9M from current.
Max salary of 10.5M --that Dallas can control via making inactive or releasing per game.

Zeke is harder to handle because his dead cap is higher. He has 11.8M in dead cap and a lower base at 10.9M.

There's no benefit to a release and re-sign with him that I can see.
But you could just designate him a June 2nd and move on. You'd eat roughly 5.8M in dead cap this year and the same next year.
Or Zeke takes a haircut to get down to 5M base and restructre that 5M to cost about 6.5M in cap hit to have hit versus 5.8M to see him go.
As a 2nd RB and short yardage guy he's worth 800K more IMO.
BUT, he could be a progress stopper and at some point that band-aid comes off.
Does he really wanna be here one more year?
Does this team want that security blanket in blocking?
Guess we shall see.

Guesstimate:
10% chance Tyron is back on current deal.
20% chance he is back on a restructured/new deal
70% chance he is gone.

0% chance Zeke is back on current deal
40% chance he is back on restructured deal
60% chance he is gone.

 

[bottleKids]

He started 15 games in 2021.

He is cheap.

He is now a player-coach.

They can put him on the practice squad to start the season.

So a hall of fame LT who will retire an Eagle, is going to take a contract cheap and be on the practice squad to help us?

I mean I have seen stranger things, so I will not say impossible, but I would be surprised personally.