Cowboys could be looking at their next HC in Detroit's Ben Johnson

[Hawkeye0202]

Can you provide me a quick dialogue on how a convo between between Ben Johnson and Bill Belicheck would go if they were to have to sit down and explain their game plan to each other?

How would Ben Johnson be so much better of a hire compared to a guy with tons of knowledge?

Does it really just boil down to being young and maybe having a couple of good ideas here and there? Im sure every coach has had a few good ideas.

Is Ben Johnson's decision making on the fly better? How do you prove that? Does he make quicker adjustments?

I just dont get how all these FO's are just kicking Bill to the curb with all that knowledge? Maybe it is locker room chemistry and he doesnt relate to the players. I just dont see that as being a super big issue when you have a coach with tons of knowledge. Seems like knowledge would trump coach/player chemistry. I am a big fan of coaches being player coaches, though.

No one seems to have any solid answers as to why Big Bill should be sent off to the pasture. Posters are just saying "Go young" without any good reasons. Sure, you would prefer a coach that could be with you 10 years...but most coaches come and go within 3...so who cares about Bill's age?

I think if you were to sit down and play a football strategy game with each coach explaining every play....I think Bill would come across as the better manager compared with a young guy. As in...my money would be on Bill to have more ideas to counter a strategy than the young guy.

Young only matters if you want a coach for 10 years, you think players need young coaches they can relate to or if you think coaches need to be young so they can breathe fire at players discipline wise.

Everyone is saying 'young, innovative coaches'....but wouldnt older coaches who have been in the game for a while at the highest level and seen a lot....wouldnt the game be slowed down for them and they would have a more ideas since they have seen a lot?

It just doesnt make sense to me why so many are screaming 'go young' all the time.

+1 ......Personally, I don't see Jerry having the patience for a young unproven assistant coach cuz of the big three contracts ( Dak, Lamb and soon Parsons). Keep in mind MM was a situational hire in that Jerry wanted a proven coach with post-season experience. I think we see the same type of hire again but this time someone can maximize Dak, Lamb, and Parsons's potential.

 

[exciter]

It’s a comin!
Might want to start preparing yourself now!
12 more games and the genius of our grand master will be on full display!

 

[RonWashington]

It’s a comin!
Might want to start preparing yourself now!
12 more games and the genius of our grand master will be on full display!

No way . Jalen Hurts that whole team looks bad .

 

[exciter]

No way . Jalen Hurts that whole team looks bad .

Yeah well, it’s Jalen Hurts!!!
What was the ranking while here?
More importantly, who is in charge?

 

[MapleLeaf]

He would have to be a yes man to have any shot.

If I was to counsel anyone promising young coach I would say don't even bother looking at the Cowboys.

1. You don't want to be in the board room of the Cowboys because there are way too any voices in the room. It is ideas by committee with the final say in Jerry's hand. This is only a coaches room suitable for those who have multiple skins on the wall and can tell Jerry to shut up when it is needed. A young coach shouldn't have to deal with type of crap.

2. I don't think the Jones are the type of ownership who can properly mentor a young and talented football coach. They are so wrapped up in the business of the Dallas Cowboys as a money making venture that there would be very little time, and very little football acumen to devote to supporting the advancement of the on-field performance and talent with thoughtful deliberation.

3. The circus that is Dallas around the Cowboys would be a distraction for a young coach trying to establish themselves early in their career. The place is meat grinder and you will be ground up like hamburger over every little bit of minutiae. Hell the starting QB can't even bulldoze his modest plain jane undersized bungalow without half of the state watching him.

4. If you are looking to win SuperBowls this is not the place. SuperBowls require the most ardent and competitive brain ttrusts to explore every little possibility and gap to extract the difference between you and 31 other teams. Its not enough to say you want SuperBowls. You have to show in your behaviour you want SuperBowls. Dallas may not the be the best place for a young HC who needs every bit of help he can muster.

5. Dallas doesn't need a HC as the final piece of the puzzle. There are other puzzle pieces that are missing and could use a replacement. You may be a putting together a puzzle that can never be finished because key pieces are missing. Go make your career elsewhere and then come to Dallas for a payday.

 

[FanofJerry]

+1 ......Personally, I don't see Jerry having the patience for a young unproven assistant coach cuz of the big three contracts ( Dak, Lamb and soon Parsons). Keep in mind MM was a situational hire in that Jerry wanted a proven coach with post-season experience. I think we see the same type of hire again but this time someone can maximize Dak, Lamb, and Parsons's potential.

Those are two big points I had not really thought of. Also, I doubt Jerry would want to deal with going young on an unproven Coach, we start the year very badly and Jerry is having to deal with tons of pressure on if he made a bad choice at Coach and how long until he should fire the Coach. Just a circus, a lost year of football, frustrated locker room, Jerry getting even older...just a situation I doubt Jerry is looking to fall into, even if the probability chart is in his favor. Just hire a proven guy and you avoid some pressure.

Im neither here nor there on Big Bill. Personally, I think there is no reason for Belicheck to be sent to the pasture yet. He talks fine, doesnt seem slow mentally, doesnt seem ignorant when it comes to football.

People are judging Bill on his post-Brady teams. Bill was a bad GM/Coach. He got stuck with what turned out to be a bad QB and his teams couldnt overcome it. Got to have decent GM skills with a decent Coach and you HAVE to have a QB. If nothing else, I would like to see Bill go to a team with talent and a QB and see what he can do. Whether with Dallas or someone else. I think the post-Brady years were because of bad GM'ing(Belichecks fault) and bad QB play. I think he can still Coach fine if he has a decent team and QB.

Maybe the game has passed Big Bill by...I doubt it, though.

 

[AsthmaField]

I still think Bill Belichick with a young offensive coordinator who was raised up in the Shanahan system is the way to go.

There is zero doubt in my mind that Belichick is a great, detail oriented head coach who failed because he failed at his GM duties… not his coaching. He had very little talent those last few years.

Give Belichick the talent there is in Dallas and keep drafting well, and I think Bill would provide a ton of wins.

Belichick is a defensive savant, so he and his defensive coordinator would have that side of the ball playing well. On offense, the Shanahan system with Bill as the overseer could work very well.

Maybe it is just a pipe dream but I think it would be very, very good.

And the caveat of all caveats… Bill would have to work around Jerry. Who knows how that interview process would work out?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I still think Bill Belichick with a young offensive coordinator who was raised up in the Shanahan system is the way to go

Post of the month! Say what you want about his age but he is STILL a defensive genius. Putting him with a dynamic offensive coordinator is what this team needs now. The big 3 contracts only give us a 2-4 window. For those concerned about his energy level, I'm 100% confident he will have a DC who knows his system. Dak has enough vet experience now that he doesn't need a lot of managing. In other words, he and your OC can run the offense.

Just my take but back in the day, people in NFL circles and media used to joke about Tom Landry being worth X number of win a season. That's how I see Belichick with a decent QB. He and Dak together are worth at least 7-8 wins IMO.

Something not mentioned much though is hiring him will take us back to the 3-4 scheme ............Hmm that thought makes you wonder if that's another reason we refused to replace a lot of defensive free agents we lost.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Could be. I think Payton is a good example. He learned from Parcells, but Parcells wasn't an offensive mind, so when Payton became a head coach, he took his offensive acumen with him. As a former tight end, I think Campbell gets less credit for his influence on his team's offense than he probably deserves, but we'll see. Besides that's not the only reasons OCs and DCs fail as head coach. Some are just unable to run the whole operation. They are great sticking to their specialties but unable to lead a team. Wade Phillips was one of those. His defense was a big reason why Denver won a Super Bowl in 2016, but as a head coach, he sucked.

Well some coaches are not the so-called X and Os guys but excellent motivators. Parcell and Jimmy Johnson come to mind and I think Campbell is in the same mode. Belichick is the same but in a different way. He's not your high-octane octane emotional guy but his boatload of Super Bowl rings will command player attention. LOL, and having the little young girlfriend wouldn't hurt............

 

[Parcells4Life]

But can your EXPERIENCED hire ( former defensive coor ) bring in a modern offensive coordinator? See Dan Q and the Commanders

KK was not someone anyone thought would be good as the OC. He’s been fired everywhere the last 10 years except for USC and they greatly underachieved last year.

What he’s doing is surprising more than expected.

 

[Parcells4Life]

Post of the month! Say what you want about his age but he is STILL a defensive genius. Putting him with a dynamic offensive coordinator is what this team needs now. The big 3 contracts only give us a 2-4 window. For those concerned about his energy level, I'm 100% confident he will have a DC who knows his system. Dak has enough vet experience now that he doesn't need a lot of managing. In other words, he and your OC can run the offense.

Just my take but back in the day, people in NFL circles and media used to joke about Tom Landry being worth X number of win a season. That's how I see Belichick with a decent QB. He and Dak together are worth at least 7-8 wins IMO.

Something not mentioned much though is hiring him will take us back to the 3-4 scheme ............Hmm that thought makes you wonder if that's another reason we refused to replace a lot of defensive free agents we lost.

He’d bring in Patricia and McDaniels

 

[Parcells4Life]

me I'd be looking at Vrabel, maybe BillB, but really id take Flores from MN , we need a defensive minded head coach this time... If we truly ever are gonna change the culture around here get tougher more physical and play better in the playoffs we need a defensive minded coach.. We've had our run of offensive minds around here and I think we need to go against the grain we wanna break the drought we wanna break habits Jerry Jones needs a higher and more tough minded coach...

No one is hiring Flores as a HC after his lawsuit against the NFL

 

[Parcells4Life]

Vrabel is the top candidate IMO. He’s a mini Belichick. He got Ryan Tannehill to a AFC Title game. He knows the value of the run game. And he knows all the intricacies of the rules to exploit like taking penalties on offense in final 4 minutes to make the clock keep running.

Hes the defensive version of Campbell. No his offenses aren’t pretty like Shanahan but he’d bring a toughness that hasn’t been seen in 16 years

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Nothing about Jerry's history of hiring Head Coaches validates this take. He's not interested in talented young coaches, innovative coaches in their prime, and would have to find a guy comfortable operating in the Joneses multi billon dollar circus.

He'll make the lazy Belichick hire after McCarthy is gone and probably interview one more person for Rooney purposes, and "win" the offseason. We've seen this movie before.

To get BB, he will have to give up prime real estate and he did that once and the only time and he will never do that again, when things were ran like a real football team. He will take a hard pass on that.

 

[Redsfan_83]

I am not sure these hotshot OC'S and DC'S are really that good at their jobs. Johnson has been gifted one heck of an offense, and the D in Seattle is getting litup like a Christmas tree worse than we are. Macdonald was also gifted quite the defense in Baltimore so can one not just say it's more personnel-driven than anything?

 

[Established1971]

Nothing about Jerry's history of hiring Head Coaches validates this take. He's not interested in talented young coaches, innovative coaches in their prime, and would have to find a guy comfortable operating in the Joneses multi billon dollar circus.

He'll make the lazy Belichick hire after McCarthy is gone and probably interview one more person for Rooney purposes, and "win" the offseason. We've seen this movie before.I gu

Nothing about Jerry's history of hiring Head Coaches validates this take. He's not interested in talented young coaches, innovative coaches in their prime, and would have to find a guy comfortable operating in the Joneses multi billon dollar circus.

He'll make the lazy Belichick hire after McCarthy is gone and probably interview one more person for Rooney purposes, and "win" the offseason. We've seen this movie before.

Chan Gailey was the closest he got

 

[gtb1943]

Those are two big points I had not really thought of. Also, I doubt Jerry would want to deal with going young on an unproven Coach, we start the year very badly and Jerry is having to deal with tons of pressure on if he made a bad choice at Coach and how long until he should fire the Coach. Just a circus, a lost year of football, frustrated locker room, Jerry getting even older...just a situation I doubt Jerry is looking to fall into, even if the probability chart is in his favor. Just hire a proven guy and you avoid some pressure.

Im neither here nor there on Big Bill. Personally, I think there is no reason for Belicheck to be sent to the pasture yet. He talks fine, doesnt seem slow mentally, doesnt seem ignorant when it comes to football.

People are judging Bill on his post-Brady teams. Bill was a bad GM/Coach. He got stuck with what turned out to be a bad QB and his teams couldnt overcome it. Got to have decent GM skills with a decent Coach and you HAVE to have a QB. If nothing else, I would like to see Bill go to a team with talent and a QB and see what he can do. Whether with Dallas or someone else. I think the post-Brady years were because of bad GM'ing(Belichecks fault) and bad QB play. I think he can still Coach fine if he has a decent team and QB.

Maybe the game has passed Big Bill by...I doubt it, though.

its hard to tell if BB is done. He was GM from 2000 on and built three complete teams around Brady. Then his magic began to dim. I remember how many praised him for letting go of veterans one year too early rather than too late
he might have just gone through a bad patch
getting top QB talent is incredibly hard. Both he and Brady lucked out with each other
maybe that luck is gone

 

[9of11]

Jerry wont hire anyone who's not our guy...surprised he even hired Mike M.
Our next head coach is already on our team....Zimmerman because he's "OUR" guy...has a history with the Cowboys...
Billychick has too big of a personality for Jerah and might take some of his limelight away from him plus Billychick is not friendly to the media and this is a no no for Jerah and the Cowboys...

 

[DCCowboys11]

My Prediction: Cowboys are going to get on a roll, win 10-11 games, and even win a wildcard game. Then loose in the divisional. Big Mike will get a 2-3 year extension because they “fought hard” and we’re right back in the same boat moving forward.

 

[rocknrobcowboy]

Cowboys could be looking at their next HC in Detroit’s Ben Johnson
reidhanson
October 11, 2024

The Cowboys might be getting a sneak peek at their next head coach when the Lions come to Dallas on Sunday. Week 6 doesn’t just offer a matchup of NFC playoff hopefuls, but it also delivers them a firsthand audition of the hottest coordinator in the NFL.

Ben Johnson, Detroit’s highly productive offensive coordinator, has fast become one of the most respected offensive minds in the NFL. He’s also a coveted head coach candidate who will likely headline a 2025 list of coaching prospects that includes the likes of Bill Belichick, Bobby Slowik and Mike Vrabel.

It’s safe to say the Joneses have a pretty good idea what the future hold for McCarthy. They likely have their eyes on a few possible replacements this season and it’s a pretty safe bet Johnson is one of those. On Sunday afternoon they get a firsthand look at that candidate, all from the comfort of the owner’s suite. It’s a perfect opportunity to see what all the fuss is about.

More: https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...ohnson/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Hopefully Ben Johnson, & The Detroit Lions Kick our Arse,Jerry Will Say,Yep Thats Our New HC For 2025..-
Me Being Sarcastic,Really? Ben Johnson ------>