Cowboys current DL

[morasp]

There has been some speculation that Carter is bulking up a little and may be a pass rusher in the nickel package similar to Avril for the Seahawks. I wouldn't mind seeing that.

 

[xwalker]

He had 5 sacks for the Colts in the '13 preseason, came over from the Arena League where he had 22.5 sacks in three years; lot of upset Colt fans when the trade happened. So much for the "diamond in the rough" story. Congrats to the Colts on trading high.



Looked it up and you are correct. Had to be on roster 5 weeks. I still think he doesn't make the final 53 though. We've already cut him once (nobody picked him up off waivers though and we re-signed him to practice squad.)

They must like something about Rayford's potential because they didn't waste time cutting lots of other DL. They had the rights to guys like Everrett Brown this season but let him go.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Definitely a possibility. I mentioned that in the original post, even if Spencer misses the first four games of the season you can still play Crawford and Mincy (and possibly a draft choice) at SDE until Spencer is ready.

I think it makes the most sense for Spencer to come back to Dallas because he knows the defense and coaches. It makes sense for Dallas because they need DEs who can rush the passer. The money will talk at the end of the day but I do think Spencer is a Cowboy in 2014.

I just worried he end up on IR all year again wasting money.

 

[BigStar]

Outside of who we draft Crawford is going to be the most important man in this line.

I would think Melton would be as the 3 tech until we add more talent on the outside edges. Selvie is a good stop gap/rotational player and like his game. Crawford really doesn't have enough body of work to judge accurately.

 

[DFWJC]

Fixed the list

"Blue Chipper"
Henry Melton 6-3 295 27 DT 3-tech

Potential
Tyrone Crawford 6-4 284 24 SDE or 3-tech

JAGS
Jeremy Mincey 6-4 265 30 SDE or 3-tech
George Selvie 6-4 270 27 WDE or SDE


Camp Fodder
Ben Bass 6-5 294 24 DT 3-tech or SDE
Nick Hayden 6-4 301 28 DT 1-tech
Frank Kearse 6-5 310 25 DT 1-tech
Terrell McClain 6-2 293 25 DT 1-tech
Rayford, Caesar 6-7 267 28 WDE or SDE

Still needs a lot of investment IMO

McClain was miscast in the 3-4. He is not a 3-4 NT.
He's better than Hayden and has some upside in this scheme, imo. This guy has a burst but can anchor ok too for a DT1. He's only 25.
I'd put him in as a JAG with upside at this point, but we'll know soon enough.

 

[theSHOW]

I don't think Broaddus has ever done one of those write ups after somebody signs off that street that does not make them look like a Pro Bowler.

We could sign Bozo The Clown and he would write the following:

Josh Brent was not even mentioned 1 time by you nor anybody else in this 110 + post thread. And I see that Bozo has 7 posters liking him. Clowns love clowns.

 

[big dog cowboy]

We could sign Bozo The Clown and he would write the following:

You belong in stand up. My sides are hurting.

 

[dcstands4]

I would think Melton would be as the 3 tech until we add more talent on the outside edges. Selvie is a good stop gap/rotational player and like his game. Crawford really doesn't have enough body of work to judge accurately.

As far as Melton and Selvie go we sort of "know who they are" unles they fall off their cliff they should be good for a few sacks but no more than 6/7 a piece. and that was being hopeful. Crawford is the wildcard he could go for 2 or 10. He will be a nail bitter

 

[MichaelWinicki]

As far as Melton and Selvie go we sort of "know who they are" unles they fall off their cliff they should be good for a few sacks but no more than 6/7 a piece. and that was being hopeful. Crawford is the wildcard he could go for 2 or 10. He will be a nail bitter

At this juncture I'm not expecting much more than a couple sacks per game.

However that doesn't mean the pass defense has to be as bad as last season.

One of the best defensive performances this team has mustered was in 2003, featuring a defensive line with folks like Willie Blade, which was deep into the 20's when it came to pass rush, but was yet one of the very best vs the pass (and run).

 

[DallasEast]

There has been some speculation that Carter is bulking up a little and may be a pass rusher in the nickel package similar to Avril for the Seahawks. I wouldn't mind seeing that.

I agree, but I'm also concerned how much muscle can Carter gain without negating any of his speed, which is his best asset. Hopefully, Carter can bulk up without having a Felix Jones-like regression in speed.

 

[rwill784]

I agree, but I'm also concerned how much muscle can Carter gain without negating any of his speed, which is his best asset. Hopefully, Carter can bulk up without having a Felix Jones-like regression in speed.

Don't......just don't.......

 

[burmafrd]

At this juncture I'm not expecting much more than a couple sacks per game.

However that doesn't mean the pass defense has to be as bad as last season.

One of the best defensive performances this team has mustered was in 2003, featuring a defensive line with folks like Willie Blade, which was deep into the 20's when it came to pass rush, but was yet one of the very best vs the pass (and run).

the only reason the D was so highly rated in 2003 was that we faced virtually no offenses that were high powered. When we did they got worked; Carolina ate us up pretty good. Outside of them we did not run up against many O's that were all that. Which was shown in 2004 when that same D got worked badly on many occasions. True we had lost Woody but pretty much everyone else was back.

 

[skinsscalper]

Barr is roughly the same size as Ware was coming out of college and has coincidentally drawn Ware comparisons. He will need to add more bulk to be an every down pass rusher, but he can still be a situational pass rusher on the line and also play OLB in certain packages. I think it is a no brainier to draft him if he is there, but I don't want the team going into the draft feeling that we have to target a certain position.

I keep seeing these comparisons of Barr to Ware. First of all I don't see it at all. Other than size they aren't the same player. Also note that Ware came into the league as a 3-4 OLB. When he was drafted Parcells commented that he didn't think Ware had the bulk to play with his hand on the ground as a 4-3 DE. He said he would get worn down too quickly.

Now, we only have one season's worth of footage with Ware as a 4-3 DE. That season was injury riddled and at the tail end of Ware's career so it would be hard to honestly gauge how Ware would fare throughout his career had he played that way the whole time but this one wasn't good at all. I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't have the same numbers that he does if his whole career was spent as a 4-3. Hell the guy might even be out of the league by now. Who knows?

 

[Manwiththeplan]

We can't fix the entire d-line in one offseason, but I could live with this for one season

RDE- George Selvie, Jeremy Mincey
DT- Henry Melton, Ben Bass
DT- Terrell McClain, Nick Hayden
LDE- Kony Early, Tyronne Crawford

This still leaves DE as a need next year, however, I think *if* Melton can rebound, he can be the answer at DT and outside of a few value picks sprinkled in between rounds 3-5 this year and next, we may be fine.

 

[morasp]

I agree, but I'm also concerned how much muscle can Carter gain without negating any of his speed, which is his best asset. Hopefully, Carter can bulk up without having a Felix Jones-like regression in speed.

That's always the question. I think he could be good at it.

 

[dogunwo]

This cannot be repeated enough. We should feel secure that we can choose freely without regard to finding that instant starter.

But, there should also never be the idea that the "roster is set" and you only have room for a few players and you then decide to look at STers. That gets you 2009.

I have a feeling that DL is NOT going to be the pick in round 1.

 

[dogunwo]

What do you guys think of drafting ealy, and micheal sam? Mony would be first and Sam would be 3-4 round. Jernigan In the 2nd?

Michael Sam is going to be available much later than rounds 3-4. I am thinking 6-FA

 

[dogunwo]

I agree, but I'm also concerned how much muscle can Carter gain without negating any of his speed, which is his best asset. Hopefully, Carter can bulk up without having a Felix Jones-like regression in speed.

Isnt that what happened to Bradie James?

 

[xwalker]

Isnt that what happened to Bradie James?

No, Bradie James was always slow and got slow as he got older.