Cowboys DE Greg Hardy's appeal hearing concludes

[Kaiser]

At least OJ had a trial.

He is probably guilty but LA put on one of the worst prosecutions ever. Harden and Clark played to the cameras and not the jury. The case was too long and they got bogged down with the scientific stuff. They never really showed any motive, didn't have a murder weapon and provided a very small window of time. Add in Furman, Kato and the glove and it was a circus.

Exactly, there is a huge difference between a horribly prosecuted case where the jury acquits and a case like Hardy's where the prosecutor won't even bring the case to the case to a jury trial because he can't possibly get a prosecution.

And you are dead right on the OJ trial, the prosecution (and the Judge) was horrible. I live in LA and lived here then (I was on the 405 for the white broncho case, which is another funny/stupid story). The OJ trial said absolutely nothing about Justice or the US Criminal Justice System other than Clark, Harden and Ito are complete idiots.

 

[Kaiser]

The DA dropped the case because he couldn't locate the plaintiff. However, he routinely prosecutes without the plaintiff, so there had to be something else.

In this case, the prosecutor did not want to put his reputation on the line by entering Ms. Holders testimony... because the testimony that she told him and the Judge at the bench trial was completely different than what she told the police on the night of the incident. He had no case because he had no idea about the truth of what went on that night... because Ms. Holder has two completely different versions of what went down.

He would have gone ahead and prosecuted if the plaintiff would have been there because he would have nothing to lose with Holder perjuring herself on the stand. When he had to put his reputation on the line and vouch for Holder... he said thanks but no thanks.

Of course, in public he insinuates that Holder being paid off and leaving is why he isn't going forward... it is the best way for him to save face.

Perfect. Can you put that in your signature block to save time for the next 400 posters that call Hardy a woman beater? j/k...

 

[Kaiser]

That's exactly what it means. I think what you were trying to say is that just because someone is found not guilty doesn't mean they're innocent.

But he wasn't tried and found Not Guilty. The Prosecutor in charge of bringing him to trial dropped all charges rather than going to a Jury Trial because he had zero chance of getting a conviction. That is a big distinction also.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Exactly, there is a huge difference between a horribly prosecuted case where the jury acquits and a case like Hardy's where the prosecutor won't even bring the case to the case to a jury trial because he can't possibly get a prosecution.

And you are dead right on the OJ trial, the prosecution (and the Judge) was horrible. I live in LA and lived here then (I was on the 405 for the white broncho case, which is another funny/stupid story). The OJ trial said absolutely nothing about Justice or the US Criminal Justice System other than Clark, Harden and Ito are complete idiots.

I blame the OJ outcome on the LAPD's activities throughout the 80's and 90's. That was about a community that didn't trust their police and a defense team that exploited it. It was reasonable to think that LAPD officers could be corrupt and/or incompetent.

 

[Martice]

Point being just because someone is not found guilty doesn't mean they're not guilty.

I agree with this. Not guilty doesn't mean innocent.

 

[Kaiser]

I blame the OJ outcome on the LAPD's activities throughout the 80's and 90's. That was about a community that didn't trust their police and a defense team that exploited it. It was reasonable to think that LAPD officers could be corrupt and/or incompetent.

That was part of it. I was at work when they announced the verdict and we all went over to see it on a TV screen, it was exactly like you saw on TV. The people in the room that were black were ecstatic and the people who were white were disgusted. Then the next day it was all gone as if nothing had ever happened.

But the racial aspect of the police was also something highly influenced by the media. There were two LAPD guy in my Army Reserve unit that were in Western Division with Mark Fuhrman who said he was an ego case but in no way racist. Both were black (and huge) and would have beaten him senseless if he was a racist. That said, there is no question every black member of the OJ jury had either had a negative experience with LAPD or had a family member who had.

 

[Nightman]

I agree with this. Not guilty doesn't mean innocent.

But it is a lot closer to innocent than guilty is

 

[cheftjpeck]

And anyone who thinks he's innocent is quite naive imo.

Because obviously you were there ... So you know first hand?? You have seen the pictures and read the court transcripts so you know he is guilty ...

 

[big dog cowboy]

FREE HARDY.

 

[Plumfool]

I agree with this. Not guilty doesn't mean innocent.

That works both ways.

 

[Plumfool]

That was part of it. I was at work when they announced the verdict and we all went over to see it on a TV screen, it was exactly like you saw on TV. The people in the room that were black were ecstatic and the people who were white were disgusted. Then the next day it was all gone as if nothing had ever happened.

But the racial aspect of the police was also something highly influenced by the media. There were two LAPD guy in my Army Reserve unit that were in Western Division with Mark Fuhrman who said he was an ego case but in no way racist. Both were black (and huge) and would have beaten him senseless if he was a racist. That said, there is no question every black member of the OJ jury had either had a negative experience with LAPD or had a family member who had.

Or Mark was a smart guy; while in the Military, and kept that aspect of his personality under wraps.

 

[Corso]

FYI, I was not directing that comment at you. I'm sure you're in the upper half of the population.

I doubt it and I have no problem saying so. You are replying to posts with a man who uses his emotional responses as his triggers rather than logic and deduction.
Little Jr impresses me... not very much and shouldn't any one else.

 

[justbob]

The thread is about Hardy's hearing and that is all. Stay on the tracks .

 

[BAT]

I agree with this. Not guilty doesn't mean innocent.

It may not mean innocent, but not guilty does not mean guilty either. And this is coming from a guy who absolutely hates domestic abuse towards women/kids. But innocent until PROVEN guilty is still a basic right in the USA.

 

[BAT]

On another note, if Hardy deserves a 10 game suspension for conduct detrimental to the league, how many games is Ray McDonald going to get for multiple sexual assault allegations, plus arrest for domestic abuse and child endangerment.

If anyone should be a poster boy for conduct detrimental to the league, it's McDonald. Convictions or not, this guy simply does not get it.

 

[AsthmaField]

I doubt it and I have no problem saying so. You are replying to posts with a man who uses his emotional responses as his triggers rather than logic and deduction.
Little Jr impresses me... not very much and shouldn't any one else.

Oh Snap!

 

[iceberg]

I agree with this. Not guilty doesn't mean innocent.

Great then what does no trial mean?

 

[iceberg]

Because obviously you were there ... So you know first hand?? You have seen the pictures and read the court transcripts so you know he is guilty ...

Hes busy comparing it to a jury trial so knowledge of the case from him is seriously lacking but judgement is making up for it.

 

[Kaiser]

The thread is about Hardy's hearing and that is all. Stay on the tracks .

Do you realize how the Greg Hardy hearing ties into the JFK assasination? It started with the Lindberg Baby, full grown, who....

I kid, I kid...

 

[justbob]

Do you realize how the Greg Hardy hearing ties into the JFK assasination? It started with the Lindberg Baby, full grown, who....

I kid, I kid...

Do you realize I don't kid.