Cowboys decline 5th year option for Elam

[Praxit]

..Bland soon enough will want nice paycheck too. To many peeps getting paid not showing up.

Other than, Aubrey..lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I have always thought you were an excellent poster but just did not share your views on Dak.
There are a few others I am like that with here.

This is one of your very best posts acknowledging Hurts' pivotal contribution to a SB victory over a comparison of the defense carried them Dilfer or Brad Johnson scenario.

Outstanding post.

Yeah I am not a fan of discrediting him because he has a good gm. Aikman, Montana…they all benefited off of great front offices. And I hate to defend an Eagle but Jalen deserves more credit than people want to give. He does whatever his team asks of him and for that he has my respect.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

..Bland soon enough will want nice paycheck too. To many peeps getting paid not showing up.

Other than, Aubrey..lol.

I think the problem is those guys get paid after their prime. Kickers play forever. Linemen is as well. But it seems like a rookie deal is a guys prime

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I don't agree. He's a SB champion because he was on a Super Bowl-caliber team. Otherwise, fans would be talking about how he's not good enough just like the others. He's better than Dilfer, but the concept is the same: If the team is good enough, you don't have to have a great QB.

Yeah but that’s eveyone though. A Super Bowl winning qb more times then not is on a sb caliber team.

 

[gimmesix]

Yeah but that’s eveyone though. A Super Bowl winning qb more times then not is on a sb caliber team.

But it's been shown that not all Super Bowl-winning QBs are elite talents. Hurts is not an elite talent, but surround him with a Super Bowl-caliber team and he's clearly talented enough.

I feel the same about Romo, but I could be wrong because obviously I don't have the evidence since the teams he played on don't have a Super Bowl title. I think Dak also was in that category at one time. I question whether he is now coming off his second major injury, but I think the way he played a couple of years would have been good enough with a better team.

I mean, who knows what would have happened the year we lost to Rodgers and Green Bay (with either quarterback) if the defense had been as good as Philadelphia's last year. Our quarterbacks have to be perfect because of things like that while other quarterbacks just have to be good enough.

 

[stilltheguru]

And year before last when he had 15 interceptions and his top receiver mad at him and Philly faltered, fans were questioning if he was the answer. Winning makes those questions go away. Even though it takes a team to win, the QB gets too much credit when it happens and too much blame when it doesn't.

Hurts 103.7 rating was the best of his career. His 68.3 QBR in 2022 was the best of his career. Dak's best rating is 105.9 in 2023 and best QBR is 77.6. The main difference between the two is the team around them.

I will say hurts mobility tips the scales. I've said that if you put 2018 dak surrounded by a team like Philly he can definitely win. Dak as he is currently would need a Philly type team plus lots of luck

 

[Praxit]

I think the problem is those guys get paid after their prime. Kickers play forever. Linemen is as well. But it seems like a rookie deal is a guys prime

...good points, Marathon. I also thought about that. I'm afraid Parsons will fall into same bracket. He'll be on his 5th yr as cowboy.

Will finally get paid. With probably 3 more good yrs under his belt. Like you said, your Prime is meat n potatoes of the career.

 

[gimmesix]

However good Eli Manning was, his best season was 2011 when he was 30 years old. And the Giants won the Super Bowl that season. Hurts won’t be 30 for another three years.

Quarterbacks that used their rushing ability to great effect, Steve Young’s best season was at age 33 (SF won the Super Bowl). Russell Wilson’s best season was at age 30. Randall Cunningham’s best season was at age 35.

Hoping Hurts and Daniels aren’t that good is just that, hope.

I think they are both good enough to win Super Bowls with. Hurts has already proven that. Stick him on Jacksonville last year and he would have fared no better than Trevor Lawrence did.

There are multiple good-enough quarterbacks. Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. Brock Purdy got to a Super Bowl. Matthew Stafford may be the greatest example to me. He put up really good regular-season numbers but never went anywhere with Detroit. Put him on a Super Bowl-caliber team and he wins a title. Before that, his ability to win in the playoffs was in question.

I'm not sure about Washington as a team, if it will get the parts around Daniels to win Super Bowls, but Philly already has shown a few times under Roseman that it knows how to put together Super Bowl teams.

For that matter, I think Philly's success shows it isn't even all about the coach. Doug Pederson and Nick Sirianni have both been able to win there with the teams they've put together. Now, the coach is involved in that, but the front office may be the most important piece. (Pederson did nothing when he went to Jacksonville as coach, and it certainly wasn't because they didn't have a QB as talented as either Hurts or Daniels.)

 

[gimmesix]

I will say hurts mobility tips the scales. I've said that if you put 2018 dak surrounded by a team like Philly he can definitely win. Dak as he is currently would need a Philly type team plus lots of luck

His mobility is definitely a factor. I don't think it makes him a great QB capable of carrying any team to a Super Bowl. (I'm not sure any QB is.) But it helps him be good enough to win on a Super Bowl team.

I agree on Dak. I think he's a slightly more talented passer than Hurts, but without the mobility, we'd definitely need a Saquon Barkley-type performance at running back, some really talented receivers, one of the best offensive lines in football and one of the best defenses in football. All of that is what Hurts had last year.

 

[stilltheguru]

His mobility is definitely a factor. I don't think it makes him a great QB capable of carrying any team to a Super Bowl. (I'm not sure any QB is.) But it helps him be good enough to win on a Super Bowl team.

I agree on Dak. I think he's a slightly more talented passer than Hurts, but without the mobility, we'd definitely need a Saquon Barkley-type performance at running back, some really talented receivers, one of the best offensive lines in football and one of the best defenses in football. All of that is what Hurts had last year.

spot on. I have nothing further to add.

 

[Flamma]

But it's been shown that not all Super Bowl-winning QBs are elite talents. Hurts is not an elite talent, but surround him with a Super Bowl-caliber team and he's clearly talented enough.

Hurts is a different type of QB than Dak or Allen. Hurts is great when throwing in favorable conditions to two very good WRs. He's rarely in 3rd and long throwing into coverage. They scheme to his strengths. The Eagles want you to stop the run and force Hurts to pass. Because he'll beat you. But he's not the drop back passer that's going to beat you throwing into coverage. If you put him on the Cowboys with our scheme and run game, he'd struggle.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I think they are both good enough to win Super Bowls with. Hurts has already proven that. Stick him on Jacksonville last year and he would have fared no better than Trevor Lawrence did.

There are multiple good-enough quarterbacks. Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. Brock Purdy got to a Super Bowl. Matthew Stafford may be the greatest example to me. He put up really good regular-season numbers but never went anywhere with Detroit. Put him on a Super Bowl-caliber team and he wins a title. Before that, his ability to win in the playoffs was in question.

I'm not sure about Washington as a team, if it will get the parts around Daniels to win Super Bowls, but Philly already has shown a few times under Roseman that it knows how to put together Super Bowl teams.

For that matter, I think Philly's success shows it isn't even all about the coach. Doug Pederson and Nick Sirianni have both been able to win there with the teams they've put together. Now, the coach is involved in that, but the front office may be the most important piece. (Pederson did nothing when he went to Jacksonville as coach, and it certainly wasn't because they didn't have a QB as talented as either Hurts or Daniels.)

My point really is quarterbacks can develop and get better as they go into their 30’s. However good Hurts is now he’ll likely be better 3 years from now. The same with Trevor Lawrence, I imagine. Elway and P. Manning had their greatest success post 30 years of age.

For a 26 yer old quarterback Hurts has had some success in the league. He seems capable enough. Plays his best in the most important games. He’s held in high regard by his teammates. It’s funny how fans, of other teams, want to point out he really isn’t that good. Funnier yet while they understand quarterbacks can develop, assume Jalen Hurts can’t. Why can’t he?

 

[gimmesix]

My point really is quarterbacks can develop and get better as they go into their 30’s. However good Hurts is now he’ll likely be better 3 years from now. The same with Trevor Lawrence, I imagine. Elway and P. Manning had their greatest success post 30 years of age.

For a 26 yer old quarterback Hurts has had some success in the league. He seems capable enough. Plays his best in the most important games. He’s held in high regard by his teammates. It’s funny how fans, of other teams, want to point out he really isn’t that good. Funnier yet while they understand quarterbacks can develop, assume Jalen Hurts can’t. Why can’t he?

He could. I don't know if he'll ever be a great passer, but Philly has shown that he does not have to be. Elway and Peyton Manning are good examples of Hall of Fame QBs who had their greatest success when their teams were finally built to succeed.

We put too much emphasis on QB play IMO. They can be great and not win it all simply because the team is not good enough. And they can be good and win it all simply because the team is good enough.

 

[JoeKing]

He has a one-year opportunity to earn a new contract.

 

[FVSTONE]

Yeah if healthy a Bland, Diggs, Revel, Carson, Izzi, and Elam secondary is not bad.

I expect a big year from Bland because he could be in line to be the highest paid cornerback in the league if he plays well.

Nothing is going to help until the CBs start playing nearer to the line of scrimmage!!!! Playing off receivers 10-15 yds isn’t going to slow down their opponents….,..,