Cowboys' defense could use some "Law" and order

[BigDFan5]

Then you must have no clue why Keyshawn was suspended from Tampa. It had nothing to do with splitting the lockeroom.

Glenn situation draws zero similarities to Terrells.

Al Johnson issues don't even come close.................

Don't get side tracked BP..........TO's issues involve going after the top dog in the Eagles lockeroom (for various reason), something Keyshawn,Glenn and Johnson never did.

So people can show you proof yet you will dismiss is because it wasnt the exact same? Keyshawn went after the coach in the media.

Glenn attacked the whole team in the media

TO went after QB in the media. Its all the same thing

 

[Charles]

Laugh all you want. There is a reason Law is still on the market while other corners are getting snapped up. A big reason is diminishing skills. But average Joe fan doesn't watch the games and see 10 INTS so he has to be the best corner in the league.

You like the term mediot. Whats the term for a fan that doesn't know what he is talking about?

Yep.........I'll leave you.......the expert to determine the level of Laws skills.........coincidentally I heard the same crap last year and Law even had less leverage coming off an injury, but some how the Postons were able to make one of teh highest paid CB last season and he backed it up with elite play throughout the season.

I didn't say he was the best CB in the league (perfect example of making up an argument) to get in cheap shot.

What is the term for posters that make up stuff inorder to questions someones opinion?

Says who? I'd say the bumbling morons that don't read a contract before their client signs it and gives aways guaranteed money is a bigger dirtbag. Who's on the hot seat and could potentially be suspended or decertified? Rosenhaus or a Poston?

Do you want me to give a list of agents that have almost been decertified or suspended. Does the name Leigh Steinberg come to mind? He was considered a dirt bag.....the mediots trumpeted the owners opinions.

Postons are just the mediots favorite whipping boy for the moment.

The Postons are inept as well as being shady. Their "big" contracts are often overinflated, backloaded contracts that their client never sees. Or they report that the contracts include money that they don't bother to read if it is even in there. Top notch representation there. I notice almost every prominent FA still on the market is a Poston player. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Yep it must be the off-season, because as usual when the season starts, Poston clients will get their money ala Law (last season), Milloy (a couple of seasons ago), Woodson (franchise salary last season, Julian Peteron (this offseason).................

Come see me early September and we can rehash this conversation

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Then you must have no clue why Keyshawn was suspended from Tampa. It had nothing to do with splitting the lockeroom.

Glenn situation draws zero similarities to Terrells.

Al Johnson issues don't even come close.................

Don't get side tracked BP..........TO's issues involve going after the top dog in the Eagles lockeroom (for various reason), something Keyshawn,Glenn and Johnson never did.

You are right, Key never went after the top player, he went after the HEAD COACH.

 

[Charles]

So people can show you proof yet you will dismiss is because it wasnt the exact same? Keyshawn went after the coach in the media.

Glenn attacked the whole team in the media

TO went after QB in the media. Its all the same thing

Well if you paid attention, stopped trying to make things up and understand my earlier post , a little common sense would tell you that none of those players mentioned had issues like TO.

 

[Charles]

You are right, Key never went after the top player, he went after the HEAD COACH.

I agree the best way to divide a lockeroom

 

[BigDFan5]

but some how the Postons were able to make one of teh highest paid CB last season and he backed it up with elite play throughout the season.

This is false he made 3.5 million last season and didnt even get a signing bonus

 

[BigDFan5]

Well if you paid attention, stopped trying to make things up and understand my earlier post , a little common sense would tell you that none of those players mentioned had issues like TO.

What exactly did I make up?

ALL of tese players were doing the same thing TO did.

 

[Hostile]

I took it he just found the article and posted in and charles was just giving credit from copying the article from booze.

I could be wrong.

If Q-Card hadn't ratified this theory I was going to light a candle for booze. He may not like or respect me any more, but the feeling isn't at all mutual. I still view him as a very good football mind. I wish he posted where I could read his takes.

 

[Bledsoe4MVP]

Great article......I'm all for opening up the Law Firm in Big D and bring some veteran leadership to the secondary.

We add Law to the mix and our secondary immediately becomes the best in the league.

My theory is that after the draft his asking price will be much more feasible and we should be able to bring him here if he's willing to play safety.

 

[dcboy]

Charles, what do you have against Newman? Did you not see him blanket whoever he lined up against last season? You think if Law is signed that Newman would be pushed to third/slot corner??!!! This would imply that both Law and Henry are better than Newman

I wouldn't be totally against signing Law, but not anywhere close to what he thinks he deserves. I just don't think it would make salary cap since to pay him or any other fs more than $2-3 million per season. Either Law or Henry could be moved to fs, but do we know that either can do it at a high level? I don't think that there is much doubt that Law has dropped off some; thats not to say that he is a bum, just not elite anymore. If you want to bring up pro bowl, see Larry Allen.

I can't say that I watched and enormous amount of jets games last year, but their fans seem to think that Law gives up a lot of plays. Sounds a lot like Lavar Arrington to me. Would you want Arrington? I think LA would improve the team more than Law, not that I really want either.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I agree the best way to divide a lockeroom

Last time I checked TO was TO, Terry was Terry and Keys was keys.

So in that aspect NOBODY will ever be TO.

Point is you are running around in circles saying things about the postons to make it ok for Ty Law to be here.

That is the topic.

Has Bill ever signed a FA or drafted a person from the Postons?

This has nothing to do with TO or those other players except for some strange logic you wish to apply to it. Bill has indeed had trouble makers on and off the field on his team going back to his giants days. Does it matter that one is slightly different then the other...the binding factor of what he will deal with depends on a persons Ability.

The cowboys have had multiple chances to get ty law over the last few years, We could have traded for him, signed him as a FA when we needed a CB in the past and yet we have not done so.

To my knowledge we have yet to sign or draft a player that is a client of the Postons.

We know bill likes his former players yet one of his best former players we have not signed over the last few years when we could have.

So either he wants TOO MUCH money and they will not pay him the money, they feel he is not the player he used to be, they think the players they have are just fine... or it is because of the postons.

Whatever the reasons for the last few years we could have had Ty Law but have chosen not to take him while bill was here.

So we can go around and around with silly arguments about this and that and blah blah blah but history has shown we had a chance to get ty law on at least three occasions and we have said No thanks.

 

[Charles]

So then you are saying I am right? because I never said "everyone: So then I was factually correct. Thank you

No you're not right, because they is absolutly no way you can know if MOST people (not everyone.......but "most" ......I stand corrected) thought Owens would be a Cowboy.

And thats your problem. The stats and reality back me up, but you go on Chads word I am sure he is the best judge of talent.

I didn't say he was the best judge of talent, but he carries a much bigger stick than some stat pushing interns.

So lets get this right. Newman gives up less yards per game, less TDs, less penalties. than Robinson, yet you choose Robinson based on the quote of one WR instead of using facts? wow

Yep I'll chose Johnson's opinion over numbers on a paper. He actually lines up against these guys...........shocking isn't it :laugh2:

Yes the pro bowl thats the best judge of talent right?

All Pro team is a pretty notable mention for Newman. Law sure wasn't on it. oddly enough neither was Robinson.

I give the ProBowl more weight than an ALL Pro list made up by some guy sitting behind a computer compiling stats because atleast players and coaches have a vote in the ProBowl as compared to a intern or staffer who watches a game from the sidelines.

 

[Hostile]

Last time I checked TO was TO, Terry was Terry and Keys was keys.

So in that aspect NOBODY will ever be TO.

Point is you are running around in circles saying things about the postons to make it ok for Ty Law to be here.

When someone is using the grasp at straws style of debate it's considered bad form to see right through them...

That is the topic.

Has Bill ever signed a FA or drafted a person from the Postons?

...or to single out a pertinent fact.

This has nothing to do with TO or those other players except for some strange logic you wish to apply to it. Bill has indeed had trouble makers on and off the field on his team going back to his giants days. Does it matter that one is slightly different then the other...the binding factor of what he will deal with depends on a persons Ability.

In the grasping at straws style of debate that is all that does matter. You can NEVER give an example that is pertinent to the discussion because then the opponent will want everything 100% similar. In other words, Rosenhaus is pertinent to the Postons, no other NFL player who has ever drawn a breath is pertinent to TO.

The cowboys have had multiple chances to get ty law over the last few years, We could have traded for him, signed him as a FA when we needed a CB in the past and yet we have not done so.

All very true BP. Therefore a foul. Don't use factual theory.

To my knowledge we have yet to sign or draft a player that is a client of the Postons.

Apparently a very dark cloud some simply can't see through. Facts don't work as headlights either. The fog never lifts.

We know bill likes his former players yet one of his best former players we have not signed over the last few years when we could have.

There must be a logical explanation of this...

...exactly, look for a grassy knoll, avoid reality.

So either he wants TOO MUCH money and they will not pay him the money, they feel he is not the player he used to be, they think the players they have are just fine... or it is because of the postons.

I'll take all of the above for 5000 Alex.

Whatever the reasons for the last few years we could have had Ty Law but have chosen not to take him while bill was here.

So we can go around and around with silly arguments about this and that and blah blah blah but history has shown we had a chance to get ty law on at least three occasions and we have said No thanks.

You know there will probably be a fine for excessive use of factual data and logic.

 

[BigDFan5]

No you're not right, because they is absolutly no way you can know if MOST people (not everyone.......but "most" ......I stand corrected) thought Owens would be a Cowboy.

Most people in the media I have already explained this. It is easy to say most of the media, when most everything the media says about the Cowboys is posted right here on this site.

I didn't say he was the best judge of talent, but he carries a much bigger stick than some stat pushing interns.

No he doesnt because he has no facts just his own word. 20 yards a game and 0 TDs is factual. You can try to discredit it with the intern BS, but the fact remains Newman was the top cover corner and the numbers bear that out.

Yep I'll chose Johnson's opinion over numbers on a paper. He actually lines up against these guys...........shocking isn't it :laugh2:

Did he line up against Newman last year?

I give the ProBowl more weight than an ALL Pro list made up by some guy sitting behind a computer compiling stats because atleast players and coaches have a vote in the ProBowl as compared to a intern or staffer who watches a game from the sidelines.

The guys that make the All Pro list look at film and watch the games as well. Quit talking nonsense.

So let me get this right, you are saying the pro bowl is a accurate judge of talent?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

When someone is using the grasp at straws style of debate it's considered bad form to see right through them...

...or to single out a pertinent fact.

In the grasping at straws style of debate that is all that does matter. You can NEVER give an example that is pertinent to the discussion because then the opponent will want everything 100% similar. In other words, Rosenhaus is pertinent to the Postons, no other NFL player who has ever drawn a breath is pertinent to TO.

All very true BP. Therefore a foul. Don't use factual theory.

Apparently a very dark cloud some simply can't see through. Facts don't work as headlights either. The fog never lifts.

There must be a logical explanation of this...

...exactly, look for a grassy knoll, avoid reality.

I'll take all of the above for 5000 Alex.

You know there will probably be a fine for excessive use of factual data and logic.

Two Things.

1.You know it is bad when I ramble on like this, Normally I am just the happy go lucky poster.

2. Usually when you break down my posts like that it means we are disagreeing about things, but this new method makes me feel dirty. I need a sponge bath, where is winicki when you need him. :

 

[Charles]

Last time I checked TO was TO, Terry was Terry and Keys was keys.

So in that aspect NOBODY will ever be TO.

Point is you are running around in circles saying things about the postons to make it ok for Ty Law to be here.

That is the topic.

I am not running around in circles.

You have doubts that the Cowboys would sign Law because he's a Poston client.....Why? Because the mediots have mentioned that Parcells doesn't like the Poston.

I argue that the media don't have a damn clue what Parcells would do or wouldn't do evident by the fact that the main mediots were left with egg on their face after Parcells approved the deal (Jerry mentioned calling him).

Therefore it's possible Parcells could infact sign Law, infact, the fact that he drafted him and Law excelled under Parcells would carry more weight than the "supposed" dislike for Postons.

I think that is pretty straight forward.

Has Bill ever signed a FA or drafted a person from the Postons?

This has nothing to do with TO or those other players except for some strange logic you wish to apply to it. Bill has indeed had trouble makers on and off the field on his team going back to his giants days. Does it matter that one is slightly different then the other...the binding factor of what he will deal with depends on a persons Ability.

Well I believe that the TO can be used as an example because most mediots didn't think (based on their knowledge of Parcells thinking :laugh2: )that Parcells would ever approve the signing.........In this case you don't think Parcells would approve the signing of Law because some media outlets stated Parcells doesn't like the Postons........well I am hear to tell the mediots have been proven to be clueless and Law abilities as proven last season.........are still top notch.

The cowboys have had multiple chances to get ty law over the last few years, We could have traded for him, signed him as a FA when we needed a CB in the past and yet we have not done so.

Couldn't same be said for WR. We could have traded for Owens or got into the sweeptakes when he left the 49ers. Did we have a WR of TOs abilities 2 seasons ago.

To my knowledge we have yet to sign or draft a player that is a client of the Postons.

That doesn't rule out the signing of a Poston client, neither does a media blurb about Parcells not liking the Postons.

We know bill likes his former players yet one of his best former players we have not signed over the last few years when we could have.

Could be for various reasons..........not necessarily because of the Postons.

So either he wants TOO MUCH money and they will not pay him the money, they feel he is not the player he used to be, they think the players they have are just fine... or it is because of the postons.

Whatever the reasons for the last few years we could have had Ty Law but have chosen not to take him while bill was here.

Wow you've looked past the the beast known as the Postons.............I gree it could be for various reasons.

So we can go around and around with silly arguments about this and that and blah blah blah but history has shown we had a chance to get ty law on at least three occasions and we have said No thanks.

The samne can be said for many NFL players we haven't acquired, but I guess the Postons make this a special case:laugh2:

 

[iceberg]

I'll put that up for discussion...

Tho u realize some would think you're not a normal-thinking person...

and i'd be one of 'em. : )

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I am not running around in circles.

You have doubts that the Cowboys would sign Law because he's a Poston client.....Why? Because the mediots have mentioned that Parcells doesn't like the Poston.

That and the idea he has yet to sign or draft a player with the postons as their agents and the simple fact that of three times we could have gotten Ty Law we have passed.

Pretty simple logic IMO. We could have gotten ty law when we had less at CB but we passed. Why would we do it now when we have more.

Couldn't same be said for WR. We could have traded for Owens or got into the sweeptakes when he left the 49ers. Did we have a WR of TOs abilities 2 seasons ago.

NO because TO wanted to go to the eagles and that was where he was going to go PERIOD...just ask the Ravens they found out first hand.

That doesn't rule out the signing of a Poston client, neither does a media blurb about Parcells not liking the Postons.

Wasn't a media blurb I heard it from and I will leave it at that. However anything COULD happen, in this case history says it probably will not happen.

The samne can be said for many NFL players we haven't acquired, but I guess the Postons make this a special case:laugh2:

Not just the postons, as I have said, but you are once again stuck on the postons.

Why have we not tried to get Ty Law three times so far when we could have used a player of his caliber? I listed a multitude of reasons.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Last time I checked TO was TO, Terry was Terry and Keys was keys.

So in that aspect NOBODY will ever be TO.

Point is you are running around in circles saying things about the postons to make it ok for Ty Law to be here.

That is the topic.

Has Bill ever signed a FA or drafted a person from the Postons?

This has nothing to do with TO or those other players except for some strange logic you wish to apply to it. Bill has indeed had trouble makers on and off the field on his team going back to his giants days. Does it matter that one is slightly different then the other...the binding factor of what he will deal with depends on a persons Ability.

The cowboys have had multiple chances to get ty law over the last few years, We could have traded for him, signed him as a FA when we needed a CB in the past and yet we have not done so.

To my knowledge we have yet to sign or draft a player that is a client of the Postons.

We know bill likes his former players yet one of his best former players we have not signed over the last few years when we could have.

So either he wants TOO MUCH money and they will not pay him the money, they feel he is not the player he used to be, they think the players they have are just fine... or it is because of the postons.

Whatever the reasons for the last few years we could have had Ty Law but have chosen not to take him while bill was here.

So we can go around and around with silly arguments about this and that and blah blah blah but history has shown we had a chance to get ty law on at least three occasions and we have said No thanks.

Bingo, if Dallas wanted ty Law we would have gotton him long ago.

 

[iceberg]

Bingo, if Dallas wanted ty Law we would have gotton him long ago.

some people just are content to sit forever waiting for their train to come in and they learn to say "this time, it's coming!"