Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by Qcard, Sep 19, 2019.
Ouch. Dammmmmmmm, you might be right.
I'm just pointing out that the philosophy is organizational - and Marinelli is only part of the equation.
I always like the strategy they applie on D. That is why the rams could not run on them but are still running on us as we speak.
I just saw someone claim we overdrafted Taco, and that is not true. I hate when people bend the facts to fit their agenda.
Pats were also Top 10 in pressure rate last year despite being near the bottom in sacks.
We weren't soft against Seattle. Yes, the Rams outclassed us.
Pressure is just as important. Sacks are nice due to the lost yardage but I'd rather have consistent pressure. Good point.
So were Pittsburgh and Jacksonville and Minnesota. And Dallas.
Lol they didn't "hit" on woods. He's a jag at best lol.
Yes and we were near the bottom in pressure rate last year. And this year as well.
I agree on that. I never try to throw around those labels unless the other guy goes there first. Then I will admit to giving as good as I get.
I think you're going far too easy on them.
If they had taken Watt:
You're not wasting snaps with Crawford masquerading as a RDE
You're not worrying about if and when Gregory comes back from his latest suspension
You're not giving up future draft capital and what? $9 million? And hoping Robert Quinn, suspended and injured, is your latest hope
This move did and has set this organization back for years, at least two and counting.
Agreed. The Rams used our aggressiveness against us. But we are soft in terms of the type of DL we field. They are not stout powerful guys like Fletcher Cox or Vince Woolfolk types. They are high motor guys that if they have to reverse field against a block they're done for. In that regard I would call them soft.
NE had a pressure rate of 33.8%, Dallas was 33.3%. We were not near the bottom, we were 9th in the league. From Rod's Rushmen.
But Marinelli has had a heavy influence on the organizational philosophy.
It all really started back with the Frederick draft. The scouts and even Jerry were on board with taking Shariff Floyd. Marinelli wanted no part of him and Jerry went against his scouts and other coaches and went with Marinelli (and in fairness, at that time, Marinelli was right). It was reported at the time that with the switch back to a 4-3, Jerry put a lot of faith in Marinelli and his beliefs on what kind of DL they needed. And that has constantly shown up over time, including last year when it was reported Marinelli was a big influence on why we went Hill in the 2nd when apparently there were higher rated players still on our board.
The sacrifices of size and power and defensive soundness under Marinelli have NEVER materialized in the desired increase in sacks and pressure.
That is a mentality I have not quite understood.
So the idea is to continue to acquire mediocre talent so he can "coach them up"? Why not just get better players who have proven they can play?
That's what I was thinking.
If we had Levon Kirkland linebackers then we could argue that DL isn't as important. But Jaylon and LVE are not that type of linebacker. They are pursuit guys with athleticism and speed and need space to operate. So I agree that DL play is critical. Marinelli's system doesn't provide that and he deserves to be evaluated or criticized like any other coach.
And add to that, this type of thinking has never resulted in a super bowl win.