Cowboys DT Stephen Paea Will Retire at Age 29***Merged***

[Stash]

Keeping those guys after they broke down vs GB would have been keeping the status quo. They all reached their ceiling and were soaking up needed cap space.

The FO went with youth and it will take 2-3 years for the players to mature to know what we have there.

At that point-- we can start to make some comparisons.

That's simply not accurate. They didn't "go with youth" when they signed Carroll to replace Carr and Claiborne.

And they didn't "go with youth" signing Paea instead of keeping McClain.

They went "cheap", they didn't go "young".

Being "young" isn't this team's problem. Nor an excuse.

 

[Hawkeye19]

That's simply not accurate. They didn't "go with youth" when they signed Carroll to replace Carr and Claiborne.

And they didn't "go with youth" signing Paea instead of keeping McClain.

They went "cheap", they didn't go "young".

Being "young" isn't this team's problem. Nor an excuse.

Carroll was signed as a vet corner for depth while the kids developed. He can start if needed-- but that wasn't the plan-- drafting Awuzie and Lewis is the plan for replacing Carr and Claiborne.

They have been pretty clear that they are building this team through the draft and that they aren't going to pay good players the kind of money reserved for great ones-- hence them letting the entire secondary go.

They are gonna take some lumps this year-- but in the long term, I think we stand to be a better defense overall with adding Chido and Lewis back there instead of overpaying to keep Carr/Claiborne.

The decision is ultimately about upside. Heath has struggled... but it took some time for Church to develop as a SS too. He wasn't there at his 5th game either.

 

[Stash]

Carroll was signed as a vet corner for depth while the kids developed. He can start if needed-- but that wasn't the plan-- drafting Awuzie and Lewis is the plan for replacing Carr and Claiborne.

The eventual plan. Not the 5 weeks at $4 million plan. That's attempted revisionist history and not accurate. They wanted to keep a bridge player to buy them time for the rookies to gain needed experience. What happened did not do so according to plan.

They have been pretty clear that they are building this team through the draft and that they aren't going to pay good players the kind of money reserved for great ones-- hence them letting the entire secondary go.

They paid $4 million for a bum. A rental of less than 5 weeks service. For a million or two more, they could have kept one of the two corners they had for that same bridge year. Neither of whom was great here, but both of him were far better than the nothing they ended up with.

They are gonna take some lumps this year-- but in the long term, I think we stand to be a better defense overall with adding Chido and Lewis back there instead of overpaying to keep Carr/Claiborne.

That's not the issue, nor the comparison. If either Carr or Claiborne had stayed, they would have been that bridge player they thought they were getting in Carroll. The plan would have remained the same.

The decision is ultimately about upside. Heath has struggled... but it took some time for Church to develop as a SS too. He wasn't there at his 5th game either.

Unfortunately, this isn't Heath's "5th game". He's been in the league far longer than that. I had hopes for him too, but he looks overwhelmed in the position and overmatched on the field. In his case, I'm more than happy to take my chances with the rookie Woods. The rookie, along with Jourdan Lewis, has looked better than the veteran.

A big part of the reason why attempting to blame this team's defensive issues on rookies and youth is misguided and inaccurate.

 

[xwalker]

Carroll was signed as a vet corner for depth while the kids developed. He can start if needed-- but that wasn't the plan-- drafting Awuzie and Lewis is the plan for replacing Carr and Claiborne.

They have been pretty clear that they are building this team through the draft and that they aren't going to pay good players the kind of money reserved for great ones-- hence them letting the entire secondary go.

They are gonna take some lumps this year-- but in the long term, I think we stand to be a better defense overall with adding Chido and Lewis back there instead of overpaying to keep Carr/Claiborne.

The decision is ultimately about upside. Heath has struggled... but it took some time for Church to develop as a SS too. He wasn't there at his 5th game either.

Carroll failed due to a concussion but people will claim it's due to performance.

He was good in game 1 and bad for a half in game 2 before getting the concussion.

They probably figured he was at risk of another concussion if he returned.

They signed him as a stopgap to the young players but the concussion prevented him from filling that role. Once the young CBs were playing, there was no need to go back to Carroll even if his concussion was gone.

 

[Nightman]

Do we know if he retired or took an IR settlement?

He wouldn't have to pay bonuses back if he was injured.... I doubt they stuck it to him

 

[xwalker]

Do we know if he retired or took an IR settlement?

He wouldn't have to pay bonuses back if he was injured.... I doubt they stuck it to him

What if he un-retires? Would he be eligible to play again this season for the Cowboys?

 

[Stash]

Do we know if he retired or took an IR settlement?

He wouldn't have to pay bonuses back if he was injured.... I doubt they stuck it to him

The claim regarding injury being the cause of his release isn't accurate, or supportable.

Carroll practiced the entire week leading up to Green Bay. If he was still dealing with his concussion, he wouldn't have been. And we would be talking about an injury settlement. Neither is the case.

 

[Jerryrage]

You know you're a bad team when Rogers makes you go into retirement. lmao

 

[Nightman]

The claim regarding injury being the cause of his release isn't accurate, or supportable.

Carroll practiced the entire week leading up to Green Bay. If he was still dealing with his concussion, he wouldn't have been. And we would be talking about an injury settlement. Neither is the case.

Talking about Paea not Carroll

 

[Stash]

Talking about Paea not Carroll

D'oh! Sorry, my bad.

 

[mattjames2010]

You are changing the goal posts to try and rope me into an argument.

You said the roster is junk from top to bottom-- I disagreed, and still do-- but I don't need to defend my belief in this roster as I tend to wait for awhile before passing judgment.

Ask me what I think after Thanksgiving. For right now-- they get the benefit of the doubt from me since they won 13 games last year and very easily could be 4-1 right now.

Yet, you can't seem to provide me how this team isn't junk. I've provided to you how nearly every single position has been a downgrade. How our "good players" aren't playing well. Sorry, you're not convincing me with your arguments here.

"Very easily could be 4-1" - Cool, but in reality, we aren't. "Could be" means nothing.

 

[Aven8]

You know you're a bad team when Rogers makes you go into retirement. lmao

He's almost retired my fandom a couple of times!! Lol

 

[Hawkeye19]

Yet, you can't seem to provide me how this team isn't junk. I've provided to you how nearly every single position has been a downgrade. How our "good players" aren't playing well. Sorry, you're not convincing me with your arguments here.

"Very easily could be 4-1" - Cool, but in reality, we aren't. "Could be" means nothing.

So-- using your logic, past accomplishments mean nothing? Pro bowls, all-pro status, wins etc... none of that matters in terms of how you evaluate a roster in your opinion?

It's literally "what have you done for me lately?" when it comes to your analysis?

If you want specifics-- you have a top 10 rated QB (arguably top 5 this year, although top 3 in QBR) -- at the most important position in football.

You have a top 10 RB who led the league in rushing last year.

You have multiple pro bowl OL-- and the consensus top LT in football-- although with an injured back you woulf probably cut him since he's "junk" and not performing at a high enough level right now.

You have a HOF TE that embodies a throw-back team first mentality and has the respect of everyone in the league-- but you'd probably cut him too since he's not good enough either (though he is near the top of the league in receptions if you care to take a look)

You have an all pro MLB in Lee-- though you probably are upset that he's not on the field enough, though he did play a full year last year. Guess you think Lee is junk.

D Law is leading the league in sacks-- but it's probably just a contract year, so yep-- more junk.

Woods, Awuzie, Lewis all look great as rookies but they clearly aren't producing as much as Carr/Claiborne/Church-- so probably should cut bait there right-- since their production right now is all that matters in your analysis of our roster.

Look-- if you can't tell, I am simply sarcastic at this point in our discussion. You won't let it go. You insist that this roster is terrible.

It's not but I am too exhausted to help you punch your way out of the illogical, non sensical, irrational box you have put yourself into.

I will not be responding any more to your posts in this thread. God speed-- I hope you find a cup of perspective, drink deep, and survive the season.

All the best!

 

[TheHerd]

Yet, you can't seem to provide me how this team isn't junk. I've provided to you how nearly every single position has been a downgrade. How our "good players" aren't playing well. Sorry, you're not convincing me with your arguments here.

"Very easily could be 4-1" - Cool, but in reality, we aren't. "Could be" means nothing.

But we can look forward to 6-10 and very easily could have been 10-6.

 

[xwalker]

So-- using your logic, past accomplishments mean nothing? Pro bowls, all-pro status, wins etc... none of that matters in terms of how you evaluate a roster in your opinion?

It's literally "what have you done for me lately?" when it comes to your analysis?

If you want specifics-- you have a top 10 rated QB (arguably top 5 this year, although top 3 in QBR) -- at the most important position in football.

You have a top 10 RB who led the league in rushing last year.

You have multiple pro bowl OL-- and the consensus top LT in football-- although with an injured back you woulf probably cut him since he's "junk" and not performing at a high enough level right now.

You have a HOF TE that embodies a throw-back team first mentality and has the respect of everyone in the league-- but you'd probably cut him too since he's not good enough either (though he is near the top of the league in receptions if you care to take a look)

You have an all pro MLB in Lee-- though you probably are upset that he's not on the field enough, though he did play a full year last year. Guess you think Lee is junk.

D Law is leading the league in sacks-- but it's probably just a contract year, so yep-- more junk.

Woods, Awuzie, Lewis all look great as rookies but they clearly aren't producing as much as Carr/Claiborne/Church-- so probably should cut bait there right-- since their production right now is all that matters in your analysis of our roster.

Look-- if you can't tell, I am simply sarcastic at this point in our discussion. You won't let it go. You insist that this roster is terrible.

It's not but I am too exhausted to help you punch your way out of the illogical, non sensical, irrational box you have put yourself into.

I will not be responding any more to your posts in this thread. God speed-- I hope you find a cup of perspective, drink deep, and survive the season.

All the best!

 

[armadillooutlaw]

Paea was a good player in Chicago. Wasn't he primarily a 3T there though?

 

[mattjames2010]

So-- using your logic, past accomplishments mean nothing? Pro bowls, all-pro status, wins etc... none of that matters in terms of how you evaluate a roster in your opinion?

It's literally "what have you done for me lately?" when it comes to your analysis?

If you want specifics-- you have a top 10 rated QB (arguably top 5 this year, although top 3 in QBR) -- at the most important position in football.

You have a top 10 RB who led the league in rushing last year.

You have multiple pro bowl OL-- and the consensus top LT in football-- although with an injured back you woulf probably cut him since he's "junk" and not performing at a high enough level right now.

You have a HOF TE that embodies a throw-back team first mentality and has the respect of everyone in the league-- but you'd probably cut him too since he's not good enough either (though he is near the top of the league in receptions if you care to take a look)

You have an all pro MLB in Lee-- though you probably are upset that he's not on the field enough, though he did play a full year last year. Guess you think Lee is junk.

D Law is leading the league in sacks-- but it's probably just a contract year, so yep-- more junk.

Woods, Awuzie, Lewis all look great as rookies but they clearly aren't producing as much as Carr/Claiborne/Church-- so probably should cut bait there right-- since their production right now is all that matters in your analysis of our roster.

Look-- if you can't tell, I am simply sarcastic at this point in our discussion. You won't let it go. You insist that this roster is terrible.

It's not but I am too exhausted to help you punch your way out of the illogical, non sensical, irrational box you have put yourself into.

I will not be responding any more to your posts in this thread. God speed-- I hope you find a cup of perspective, drink deep, and survive the season.

All the best!

If we are talking about a players career, sure, I'll bring that up. When we are discussing how those players are RIGHT NOW, no none of that matters. Jason Garrett won coach of the year, does that matter?

Witten future HOF? WHO GIVES A CRAP? He can't get separation, can't break a tackle, and looks slower than he did last year.
Lee is good, injury prone, and he helped in that blowout against the Broncos. Meh.
D-Law is one player, he's not the entire line. When you need one guy to step up and play at an elite level every week to have a semi-decent defense, that's not good
Woods is a freakin' scrub until proven otherwise, stop bringing him up. He's proven nothing
Awuzie can't get healthy
Lewis has been inconsistent, gave up the TD that helped us lose the game (He has upside, but he's not good NOW)

And your arguments are failing. You are using past accomplishments to prop up the 2017 team. Nice try.

 

[mattjames2010]

But we can look forward to 6-10 and very easily could have been 10-6.

But...but...but we were 13-3 last year!

 

[big dog cowboy]

This team is a joke and could spiral out of control fast.

You forgot to add .

 

[Hawkeye19]

If we are talking about a players career, sure, I'll bring that up. When we are discussing how those players are RIGHT NOW, no none of that matters. Jason Garrett won coach of the year, does that matter?

To most reasonable people-- yes, past accomplishments matter. Nothing predicts future success like past success. But don't let that persuade you-- feel free to jump off the ledge you've climbed onto anytime.

Lee is good, injury prone, and he helped in that blowout against the Broncos. Meh.

So we got blown out on the road by a good defense. Happened during the Cowboys Super Bowl dynasty years as well. Once a team can make you one dimensional-- you get behind on the scoreboard and things unravel. It happens. Hard to win in this league. But it's awesome to see that you throw out ALL the evidence of Lee's talent and production based on one game. Brilliant "analysis" lol...

D-Law is one player, he's not the entire line. When you need one guy to step up and play at an elite level every week to have a semi-decent defense, that's not good
Woods is a freakin' scrub until proven otherwise, stop bringing him up. He's proven nothing
Awuzie can't get healthy
Lewis has been inconsistent, gave up the TD that helped us lose the game (He has upside, but he's not good NOW)

You just sound like an entitled, frustrated, over-reacting Cowboys fan. Take a deep breath. Some teams that start hot-- fade down the stretch. Some teams start slow and get better as the season goes along. Happens every year. So here is a straw-- suck it up soldier. There is a lot of football left to play and your piss and moan routine has worn thin lol