Cowboys eyeing training camp for Zack Martin contract talks

[darthseinfeld]

Leading up to Dez's extension what exactly had Dez done to not deserve the contract he was given?

He had arguably one of the best starts to a WR's career of all time.

You sound ridiculous and undermine your credibility when you say things like this.

He was pretty much good for 85 catchs, 1,300 and 10 plus TD's. And in rhe year leading up to his extension did so in a run heavy offense

 

[Idgit]

Sounds to me like Stephen is warning Martin's agent thru the media that he'll get paid but don't push it.

That's the flip side. "We'll set the market on this deal, because we both know he's that good, but don't get crazy." But that's still a fairly significant thing for the team-side of a negotiation to come out and say prior to camp.

Either way, this is a deal, like Dez's, that's going to get done. The only question is how much it's going to hurt. And I think the answer is probably 'quite a bit.'

 

[Idgit]

Leading up to Dez's extension what exactly had Dez done to not deserve the contract he was given?

He had arguably one of the best starts to a WR's career of all time.

You sound ridiculous and undermine your credibility when you say things like this.

The only thing with Dez was his back injury. His play on the field was worthy of his extension.

Martin's the same way. He had that neck thing at the start of the 2015 season that I actually thought could end up being a bigger deal than it apparently was. It definitely affected him early in the season that year. If that's not a chronic thing, though, he deserves the truckload of cash he's going to command.

 

[Nightman]

6/77m with 36m gtd

By signing a year early ZMartin will give back some APY

 

[diefree666]

Zack will be resigned and with the Romo money and the cap going up it will not hurt at all. We have a three year window before we have to pay Dak and another year after that before we have to pay Zeke.
It would not shock me for us to maybe keep Zeke with the franchise tag twice before letting him go. That would be 7 years and Zeke would be looking at starting the downhill slope as a RB. Now would we likely do that? No Jerry does not do that sort of thing even if pragmatically as regards life span of a RB and brutally as regards the salary cap it would be the smart thing.

 

[rynochop]

Gonna be a lot of dough invested into one position group. Belicheck would probably let him walk.

 

[Vintage]

Martin resigns. There is no other option.

Why would Martin walk away from football?

 

[Maverick84]

God I hate the salary cap.

we'd have 20 Super Bowls now if it weren't for that ****

annoying

 

[diefree666]

Gonna be a lot of dough invested into one position group. Belicheck would probably let him walk.

So what? While BB has won 5 SBs he could just as easily lost all 5. They were that close. And he could have won the two that they lost.
The margin there is very small. So why would anyone take BB's work as something like the hand of god writing on stone. There are other very successful franchises that do things a little differently than BB does.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The only thing with Dez was his back injury. His play on the field was worthy of his extension.

Martin's the same way. He had that neck thing at the start of the 2015 season that I actually thought could end up being a bigger deal than it apparently was. It definitely affected him early in the season that year. If that's not a chronic thing, though, he deserves the truckload of cash he's going to command.

It's just annoying hearing the revisionist history say that in 2014 coming off a 16 td season (3 straight double digits td seasons mind you) and owning one of the best starts to a wr career of all time that Dez didn't deserve top 5 money.

It's stupid. It's asinine. And no GM in the league would have agreed with you. But people say it now with bravado.

 

[Idgit]

It's just annoying hearing the revisionist history say that in 2014 coming off a 16 td season (3 straight double digits td seasons mind you) and owning one of the best starts to a wr career of all time that Dez didn't deserve top 5 money.

It's stupid. It's asinine. And no GM in the league would have agreed with you. But people say it now with bravado.

Yep. And it was academic, anyway, because there's no way Jerry was letting a player like Dez walk at that time.

 

[Verdict]

The only thing with Dez was his back injury. His play on the field was worthy of his extension.

Martin's the same way. He had that neck thing at the start of the 2015 season that I actually thought could end up being a bigger deal than it apparently was. It definitely affected him early in the season that year. If that's not a chronic thing, though, he deserves the truckload of cash he's going to command.

I respectfully disagree. Dez was over paid since the day he signed his extension. The only way it would ever become reasonable is over time if the market catches up with his contract. Otherwise, the team really got bent on that signing.

 

[Verdict]

It's just annoying hearing the revisionist history say that in 2014 coming off a 16 td season (3 straight double digits td seasons mind you) and owning one of the best starts to a wr career of all time that Dez didn't deserve top 5 money.

It's stupid. It's asinine. And no GM in the league would have agreed with you. But people say it now with bravado.

It's not revisionist history if the people saying it were also saying it at the time the contract was signed, and there were many people on that train at the time. This isn't just about stats. They had to hire a full time baby sitter to hold his dick for him 24/7. You don't pay a guy top 5 money AND have to baby sit him. It isn't a sound decision. Add his lack of precise route running, his inability to get separation and the mental toughness of a 5 year old girl and it is a poor decision.

If there was no cap, I couldn't care less how much they pay Dez, but there is a cap, and I and many others, do care about it.

We are tight against the cap year after year because of ****** contracts mostly due to over paying for past production. Witten, Dez, et. al. It really sucks to see guys like Leary walking out the door and guys like Witten sucking up all the cap dollars they do.

 

[Verdict]

Leading up to Dez's extension what exactly had Dez done to not deserve the contract he was given?

He had arguably one of the best starts to a WR's career of all time.

You sound ridiculous and undermine your credibility when you say things like this.

Hmm. Let's see.

1. Fail to get separation.
2. Run imprecise routes
3. Fail to shield the defenders from intercepting Romo, which resulted in Romo mashing Dez' nuts
4. Getting sued over jewelry
5. Lacking so badly in the judgment department they hired a full time baby sitter for him.
6. Buying a pet monkey
7. Inability to run an entire route tree
8. Having a lack of game situational awareness which resulted in an incompletion rather than "a catch" on several occasions

Dez isn't all bad. I'm not saying he is. I'm not saying he doesn't bring value to the team. But he's not a top 10 receiver based on the entire package.

 

[Idgit]

I respectfully disagree. Dez was over paid since the day he signed his extension. The only way it would ever become reasonable is over time if the market catches up with his contract. Otherwise, the team really got bent on that signing.

Well, we can definitely agree he's underperformed that deal so far.

He basically got a deal that guaranteed him top-3 WR money at signing. He was probably a top 5-6 player at that point. Then he missed time.

Not a good deal for us, I agree. But there's no way Jerry doesn't make that deal for Dez. I don't like the market premium, but I can live with it because I didn't think it was that out of line. What I didn't like was his history of back problems and the possibility that would catch up with him sooner rather than later.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Hmm. Let's see.

1. Fail to get separation.
2. Run imprecise routes
3. Fail to shield the defenders from intercepting Romo, which resulted in Romo mashing Dez' nuts
4. Getting sued over jewelry
5. Lacking so badly in the judgment department they hired a full time baby sitter for him.
6. Buying a pet monkey
7. Inability to run an entire route tree
8. Having a lack of game situational awareness which resulted in an incompletion rather than "a catch" on several occasions

Dez isn't all bad. I'm not saying he is. I'm not saying he doesn't bring value to the team. But he's not a top 10 receiver based on the entire package.

If you want to say he's not in the conversation for the top receiver, that's fair - especially given the past two years. But not top 10? Since 2010 (when he was drafted), the only player with more receiving touchdowns is Rob Gronkowski. And he's got one more. Dez has 8 more TDs than the second best WR. He's in the top 10 in receiving yards. Production matters more than anything in this league. He's a top 10 guy based on his production.

 

[viman96]

LOL at some of the replies. Martin is not going anywhere. Dude is a beast and the best LG in the game coming off a rookie contract. The upside is too great to let him walk.

I'm sure everyone remembers how weak the middle of the OL was before Martin got here.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

It's not revisionist history if the people saying it were also saying it at the time the contract was signed, and there were many people on that train at the time. This isn't just about stats. They had to hire a full time baby sitter to hold his dick for him 24/7. You don't pay a guy top 5 money AND have to baby sit him. It isn't a sound decision. Add his lack of precise route running, his inability to get separation and the mental toughness of a 5 year old girl and it is a poor decision.

If there was no cap, I couldn't care less how much they pay Dez, but there is a cap, and I and many others, do care about it.

We are tight against the cap year after year because of ****ty contracts mostly due to over paying for past production. Witten, Dez, et. al. It really sucks to see guys like Leary walking out the door and guys like Witten sucking up all the cap dollars they do.

The Dez rules had long before 2014 been relaxed and remind me of the trouble Dez has been in?

Let me guess you have the Wal-mart tapes?

And did you really just rue Leary because this team has Dez and Witten instead? Holy hell.

 

[Bullflop]

He'll be handsomely paid -- no question there. Here's hoping he and his agent don't go too far overboard in making him a rich man.

There's no question but what he's a stud and a beastly beast but the team should be granted the benefit of being considered also.

 

[Eric_Boyer]

Lol!

I envision some posters will take your statement seriously.

most of us see right through the clown shoes.