Cowboys Fans' Reality Check

[Creeper]

The problems with winning:

1. If the Cowboys go on a run now, Jerry will think his strategy works. He will think that the reason they went on a run is because the injured players returned and that this team, when healthy, is a championship team. He will reason if they came close with Rush, they could have gone all the way with Dak. He's wrong but this is what Jerry will think. The result with be more years of doing nothing in the offseason and coming close but not getting over the top.

2. The draft. If we draft 17th or in that zone, we are drafting 17th in every round. We settle for the leftovers. Take 2020, for example. In the 3rd round Dallas picked 17th and took Neville Gallimore. Picking 7th, the Ravens took Justin Madubuike. I think it's clear who the better DT is. If they are going to build through the draft, it's a lot easier if they are drafting at the top over every round.

 

[Ranching]

The Cowboys winning games does not make fans winners. If a person measures themself by the efforts of their favorite football team they are misguided. Fans may be fine with the Cowboys losing, it does not make them a loser. The results of NFL games don’t matter.

You watch to lose if you want, I'll watch to win..a person measures themselves by their efforts, yes...the problem with tanking is they are expected to show less effort....that's why I say, tanking and loosing on purpose is for losers. Thanks for clearing that up

 

[DandyDon52]

And the 15 draft picks they got from the Vikings including trade downs, had nothing to do with that. Not to mention the 3 they got from the saints for Walsh.

It was those picks, not our own top of the draft rounds that was more for the turnaround.

jimmy got all kinds of draft picks from other teams, then had the # 1 overall in 90, fairly high in 91 that were cowboy picks.
Jimmy also was active in FA and made good choices.

 

[jazzcat22]

jimmy got all kinds of draft picks from other teams, then had the # 1 overall in 90, fairly high in 91 that were cowboy picks.
Jimmy also was active in FA and made good choices.

No salary cap back then. And they had what was called Plan B FA. Which is where Jay Novacek came from. Arizona, he was one of the FA I wanted them to go get.
After the Walker Trade, he was equipped with all he needed to succeed.

 

[Verdict]

No salary cap back then. And they had what was called Plan B FA. Which is where Jay Novacek came from. Arizona, he was one of the FA I wanted them to go get.
After the Walker Trade, he was equipped with all he needed to succeed.

The picks are even more important now due to the salary cap. The Cowboys should be able to draft a Dak level QB with a top 10 pick that doesn’t eat up $240m in salary cap.

 

[Big Country]

How bout this FO waiting over 30 years between taking a DT in the first round also.....drafting malpractice .

They did it twice just during Jimmy Johnsons leadership and waited another quarter century to do it again

I miss LaRoi Glover. I still remember those years with him on the DL even though the rest of the roster was basically forgettable.
Why the heck can’t Jones ever get a FA DT that’s not in his 10th-12th season and basically asking to continue his career at the vet minimum. It’s maddening!!!

 

[Big Country]

The only way draft position would have made a difference is if they finished with a top 2-3 pick and someone was willing to pay a ransom to go up for a QB like Sanders. That’s over.

There’s not much difference in drafting 8-12, which is where they will end up.

Management has no idea what to do to get over the top, and they aren’t bad enough to be able to get any better. The gratuitous wins over Wash and NY will always be there and make thing seem better than they are. Took me a long while to understand that, but it’s true.

The kick in the behind is that NY somehow managed to win two SB in recent history and blew up our best season since 95. Philly has hoisted a trophy also. Washington has at least gotten rid of the cancer hands on owner and is pointed in a better direction. Meanwhile Jerry is still trying to do it “his way.”

30 years of doing it his way and still hasn’t figured out why the other 31 teams are different.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

I see various debates over winning vs optimizing draft position. Here’s a little nugget for the win and worry about draft position later crowd.

Do you think it’s merely coincidence that our three time SB winning QB was drafted #1 overall and we drafted at the very top of the draft for multiple years in a row? 92, 93 and 95 SBs were a direct result of drafting at the top of the draft.

Almost 30 years later Jerry insists on drafting in the middle since then to “remain relevant” and we have zilch to show for it. Do you think that is merely coincidence too?

But per board the boys are a great drafting team and it doesn’t matter where you pick.

 

[gtb1943]

I miss LaRoi Glover. I still remember those years with him on the DL even though the rest of the roster was basically forgettable.
Why the heck can’t Jones ever get a FA DT that’s not in his 10th-12th season and basically asking to continue his career at the vet minimum. It’s maddening!!!

Glover really was a diamond buried in trash. A real unsung Cowboy

 

[starfan1]

But per board the boys are a great drafting team and it doesn’t matter where you pick.

They are pretty good at hitting on lineman I think they are average beyond that

 

[BigD5]

I see various debates over winning vs optimizing draft position. Here’s a little nugget for the win and worry about draft position later crowd.

Do you think it’s merely coincidence that our three time SB winning QB was drafted #1 overall and we drafted at the very top of the draft for multiple years in a row? 92, 93 and 95 SBs were a direct result of drafting at the top of the draft.

Almost 30 years later Jerry insists on drafting in the middle since then to “remain relevant” and we have zilch to show for it. Do you think that is merely coincidence too?

Are there really still fans out there that think Jerry had ANYTHING to do with the success of the Dallas Cowboys in the 90’s? That was ALL Jimmy Johnson. And when the team started making idiotic moves in the draft and trades and free agents? THAT was Coach Jerry

 

[john van brocklin]

I see various debates over winning vs optimizing draft position. Here’s a little nugget for the win and worry about draft position later crowd.

Do you think it’s merely coincidence that our three time SB winning QB was drafted #1 overall and we drafted at the very top of the draft for multiple years in a row? 92, 93 and 95 SBs were a direct result of drafting at the top of the draft.

Almost 30 years later Jerry insists on drafting in the middle since then to “remain relevant” and we have zilch to show for it. Do you think that is merely coincidence too?

Fair point.
Talent matters.

 

[RonWashington]

Just think a loss tonight in Buffalo and at 5-7 the 49ers will be picking round after round right around the Cowboys slot . Not a comforting thought as they reload for 25

 

[McKDaddy]

That wasn’t happening often with Detroit. They hit big on Barry Sanders but they had very few good teams with him because they kept missing on other draft picks. They whiffed on Andre Ware with a top 5 pick. They hit big with Calvin Johnson in the top 5 but never had many good teams with him or Stafford who was the number one overall pick. Not sure any team has picked in the top 10 more than Detroit and they have one of the worst histories of any team. The Pats were picking low every year and still kept building great teams.

But they were ran as badly as us for many years. If not, those picks would have been foundation of improvement.

 

[Verdict]

But per board the boys are a great drafting team and it doesn’t matter where you pick.

Yeah. They say that a lot. Lol. They are also in denial.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The problems with winning:

1. If the Cowboys go on a run now, Jerry will think his strategy works. He will think that the reason they went on a run is because the injured players returned and that this team, when healthy, is a championship team. He will reason if they came close with Rush, they could have gone all the way with Dak. He's wrong but this is what Jerry will think. The result with be more years of doing nothing in the offseason and coming close but not getting over the top.

2. The draft. If we draft 17th or in that zone, we are drafting 17th in every round. We settle for the leftovers. Take 2020, for example. In the 3rd round Dallas picked 17th and took Neville Gallimore. Picking 7th, the Ravens took Justin Madubuike. I think it's clear who the better DT is. If they are going to build through the draft, it's a lot easier if they are drafting at the top over every round.

jerry doesn't think in terms of championship. he thinks in terms of money made and enough wins, brings fans to the stadium and sells jerseys and sells hope and that's all he wants. champtionship is not the goal.

 

[Tommy]

I see various debates over winning vs optimizing draft position. Here’s a little nugget for the win and worry about draft position later crowd.

Do you think it’s merely coincidence that our three time SB winning QB was drafted #1 overall and we drafted at the very top of the draft for multiple years in a row? 92, 93 and 95 SBs were a direct result of drafting at the top of the draft.

Almost 30 years later Jerry insists on drafting in the middle since then to “remain relevant” and we have zilch to show for it. Do you think that is merely coincidence too?

You should become a Cleveland Browns fan. They invest heavily into this theory. I expect them to start dominating the NFL soon.

 

[Whirlwin]

Source?

The entire world.

 

[Hadenough]

None of ya'll wanted to lose until Cooper Rush took over.

I didn't want to see them win until Cooper Rush took over. LOL

 

[shabazz]

I miss LaRoi Glover. I still remember those years with him on the DL even though the rest of the roster was basically forgettable.
Why the heck can’t Jones ever get a FA DT that’s not in his 10th-12th season and basically asking to continue his career at the vet minimum. It’s maddening!!!

He values the offensive line but doesn't grasp the importance of a Chris Jones. Aaron Donald, Suh. Wilfork ect, ect.....I know it hard to find DTs of this caliber but his draft priorities over the last 30 years show he doesn't even try.....with the rare exemption of the Mazi pick