Cowboys FO on salary cap and contract restructuring

[waldoputty]

Its all makeup. She used to go to my spin classes and she is very nice, but if you see her without makeup she is pretty average looking.

what the heck is a spin class.
tell me where to go lol

 

[Kaiser]

love it....just made my day

All we need now is a photoshop of Stephen Jones with the Trump hairpiece.

 

[jterrell]

1. because many fans still think the cap is the impediment. in reality it is the approach.
2. the more fans and sports writers understand this, the higher everyone's expectations would be and the more the FO would let people down if they fail to meet the expectation.

This salary cap is an impediment.
It can absolutely be massaged but there is a limit on even that.
Because of the turnover per year you CAN NOT simply convert base to bonus yearly.
You have to follow a middle ground approach which allows you to account for injuries and/or character issues.
Converted base does eventually come due.

Dallas is not in Cap Hell but IT IS at a severe disadvantage versus other teams in free agency this year.
Ignoring that is just clueless.
Stephen pretty much invented the base restructure plan and yet loathes signing free agents... I wonder why?

Dallas is going to let Ron Leary and others walk in free agency because of salary cap ramifications.
That's simply real life.
Burying your head in the sand is even worse than the chicken little's.

You don't understand the salary cap if you pretend it doesn't exist anymore than you think we are going to play with 30 guys next year because we were over the cap at one point in the off-season.

 

[jterrell]

when ur starting franchise qb is making 600k it kinda equals out

No, it doesn't.
24.6 Million is still too much spend at QB.
And it doesn't include the other 2 guys who will be on the roster.

QB is an exception tho and every team parting with a franchise QB hurts.
Dallas has drafted very well and thus has little cap space.
Keep drafting well and no one will care.
But fans crying about making big FA signings are lost in the sauce.

 

[Kaiser]

Dallas is going to let Ron Leary and others walk in free agency because of salary cap ramifications.
That's simply real life.
Burying your head in the sand is even worse than the chicken little's.

There is a difference between letting a player walk because you don't want to meet his price and letting a player walk because you don't have the cap space.

We let DeMarco walk because we didn't want to top what the Eagles offered - and it was the right decision.

 

[Longboysfan]

You are missing the point

If he gets traded and then retires.......the new team gets the signing bonus back and the cap relief
They are the ones harmed by his retirement 3 years into his 6 year extension

No. When traded. The signing bonus aclerates into the Cowboys CAP that year or if a June 1st cut it is spread out.

If he retires and does not play for the traded to team. The contract is voided. Then the Cowboys can go back and get the bonus money paid out that covered the years he did not play for the Cowboys.

I think this is a more of an ask a CAP expert question.

 

[waldoputty]

This salary cap is an impediment.
It can absolutely be massaged but there is a limit on even that.
Because of the turnover per year you CAN NOT simply convert base to bonus yearly.
You have to follow a middle ground approach which allows you to account for injuries and/or character issues.
Converted base does eventually come due.

Dallas is not in Cap Hell but IT IS at a severe disadvantage versus other teams in free agency this year.
Ignoring that is just clueless.
Stephen pretty much invented the base restructure plan and yet loathes signing free agents... I wonder why?

Dallas is going to let Ron Leary and others walk in free agency because of salary cap ramifications.
That's simply real life.
Burying your head in the sand is even worse than the chicken little's.

You don't understand the salary cap if you pretend it doesn't exist anymore than you think we are going to play with 30 guys next year because we were over the cap at one point in the off-season.

may be you should put it in the spreadsheet before casting any stones.
i did.
details matter.

 

[Nightman]

No. When traded. The signing bonus aclerates into the Cowboys CAP that year or if a June 1st cut it is spread out.

If he retires and does not play for the traded to team. The contract is voided. Then the Cowboys can go back and get the bonus money paid out that covered the years he did not play for the Cowboys.

I think this is a more of an ask a CAP expert question.

Dude you aren't helping......please stop......I was asking Adam for clarification not for guesses

The contract is not voided if he retires

 

[jterrell]

There is a difference between letting a player walk because you don't want to meet his price and letting a player walk because you don't have the cap space.

We let DeMarco walk because we didn't want to top what the Eagles offered - and it was the right decision.

In Leary's case it is the same thing.

Dallas can afford any player they want in free agency (provided that player is fine spreading his money out) but they can not ALL the players they want.
Leary is a Pro Bowl caliber OG but we are moving on because we have a very cheap average OG.
We do not have a cheap, avg WR2 or WR4.
We do not have a cheap avg CB2.
Those holes HAVE to be filled.

 

[LocimusPrime]

what the heck is a spin class.
tell me where to go lol

Stationary cycling class. All da gyms got em waldo

 

[Kaiser]

Leary is a Pro Bowl caliber OG but we are moving on because we have a very cheap average OG.
We do not have a cheap, avg WR2 or WR4.
We do not have a cheap avg CB2.
Those holes HAVE to be filled.

Agree on adding a CB and WR, I think we add both FAs and draft picks to the positions . But I disagree on Leary, they can sign him if they want to. All they have to do is structure the 2017 cap hit to be lower, even the Brandon Carr desperation/boondoggle contract only had a cap hit of 3.2 Million in its first year.

It can be done, but its a question of how high the competing offers for those players go and how it balances with what the Cowboys are willing to pay.

 

[Nightman]

In Leary's case it is the same thing.

Dallas can afford any player they want in free agency (provided that player is fine spreading his money out) but they can not ALL the players they want.
Leary is a Pro Bowl caliber OG but we are moving on because we have a very cheap average OG.
We do not have a cheap, avg WR2 or WR4.
We do not have a cheap avg CB2.
Those holes HAVE to be filled.

ProBowl??? He got beat out twice by LCollins and couldn't even make the team his rookie year, which is why we got the 5th year out of him

 

[waldoputty]

Stationary cycling class. All da gyms got em waldo

where?

 

[LocimusPrime]

Its all makeup. She used to go to my spin classes and she is very nice, but if you see her without makeup she is pretty average looking.

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[LocimusPrime]

where?

Ahhhhh my bad. I'm assuming close to kaiser if you're looking

 

[waldoputty]

Ahhhhh my bad. I'm assuming close to kaiser if you're looking

kaiser - spill the beans!

 

[LocimusPrime]

Kaiser did you say supzzz. What's up Charlize. Whats going on chica

 

[jterrell]

Agree on adding a CB and WR, I think we add both FAs and draft picks to the positions . But I disagree on Leary, they can sign him if they want to. All they have to do is structure the 2017 cap hit to be lower, even the Brandon Carr desperation/boondoggle contract only had a cap hit of 3.2 Million in its first year.

It can be done, but its a question of how high the competing offers for those players go and how it balances with what the Cowboys are willing to pay.

Again, they COULD, but any actions have consequences and the cap has consequences too.
Leary is a VERY GOOD OG. They saw this last year.
Any team would like to have him.
We are cutting him because the team needs his money elsewhere.

Even if you squeeze a guy in at a 2m cap hit this year he will eventually cost you.
The team is trying to avoid those monster base salary years or lots of dead cap.

So, yes, they must balance out performance per dollar.
Especially with 5 or so starting spots and another 3-5 back up spots currently unmanned.

Spotrac has Leary with an average annual value of 9.1m.
4 years and 36+M.

So even a creative deal would cost you money.
5 years 45m. --20m guaranteed. 3m of that in incentives
7m SB
year 1 1m base 500k incent --still costs you about 2.2m MINIMUM.
year 2 12m base (all but min to be converted to bonus). 500k incent --still costs you about 5.5 MILLION.
year 3 5m base 500k incent (*gtd for health)
year 4 7m base 1m roster bonus
year 5 10m base 1m inc.

 

[jterrell]

ProBowl??? He got beat out twice by LCollins and couldn't even make the team his rookie year, which is why we got the 5th year out of him

No, he did not get beaten out.
He graded out far better than Collins but Collins was earmarked a starting gig.
Leary was flat outstanding last year and graded out far higher than Collins by the Cowboys own staff.

Again spotrac has him at 9.1 AAV. He's a very coveted free agent.

 

[waldoputty]

Again, they COULD, but any actions have consequences and the cap has consequences too.
Leary is a VERY GOOD OG. They saw this last year.
Any team would like to have him.
We are cutting him because the team needs his money elsewhere.

Even if you squeeze a guy in at a 2m cap hit this year he will eventually cost you.
The team is trying to avoid those monster base salary years or lots of dead cap.

So, yes, they must balance out performance per dollar.
Especially with 5 or so starting spots and another 3-5 back up spots currently unmanned.

Spotrac has Leary with an average annual value of 9.1m.
4 years and 36+M.

So even a creative deal would cost you money.
5 years 45m. --20m guaranteed. 3m of that in incentives
7m SB
year 1 1m base 500k incent --still costs you about 2.2m MINIMUM.
year 2 12m base (all but min to be converted to bonus). 500k incent --still costs you about 5.5 MILLION.
year 3 5m base 500k incent (*gtd for health)
year 4 7m base 1m roster bonus
year 5 10m base 1m inc.

--------------2017--------2018---------2019----------2020----------2021
base--------$1M----------$1M----------$1M----------$8.5M--------$8.5M -- this is after restructures in year 2 and 3
signing b--$3M----------$3M----------$3M-----------$3M------------$3M -----$15M signing bonus
restruct 2018------------$1.86M-----$1.86M-------$1.86M-------$1.86M-----$7.5M/4 = 1.875M
restruct 2019----------------------------$2.5M--------$2.5M----------$2.5M-------$7.5M/3 = $2.5M

you can cut in 2020 with dead money of 7.3M dead money per year in 2020 and 2021
or you can cut in 2021 with deadmoney of $14.6M in 2021 or june 1 which wo.uld split into 2021 and 2022
that is not a big deal at that point with cap space of $130M in 2020.
Furthermore, Dak's bigger cap impact does not show up until 2021 since 1st year of multi-year contract is low cap impact typically