Cowboys FO on salary cap and contract restructuring

[Nightman]

No, he did not get beaten out.
He graded out far better than Collins but Collins was earmarked a starting gig.
Leary was flat outstanding last year and graded out far higher than Collins by the Cowboys own staff.

Again spotrac has him at 9.1 AAV. He's a very coveted free agent.

LCollins beat him out twice

 

[jterrell]

LCollins beat him out twice

No, he did not.
Never has and never could have because Leary is a better OG.
Collins has been pretty mediocre and at times just bad.

 

[Nightman]

No, he did not.
Never has and never could have because Leary is a better OG.
Collins has been pretty mediocre and at times just bad.

Wrong

 

[AbeBeta]

You don't explain anything to anyone

Oh great. Wisdom from the self-anointed "capologist"

Geez, you gave yourself a title and didn't even spell it right (you forgot the r)

 

[waldoputty]

@bkight13 - i am going to do an analysis on the 2019 cap and 2020 cap - whether it is even possible (reasonably) to use up the cap space - want to help?

useful info:
reasonable AAV for a FS (b jones)
i am assuming $10M AAV for Martin and $8M AAV for Collins (RFA) - are those reasonable?
any other players to worry about ?
i am presuming dlaw would not be resigned.

 

[LatinMind]

No, it doesn't.
24.6 Million is still too much spend at QB.
And it doesn't include the other 2 guys who will be on the roster.

QB is an exception tho and every team parting with a franchise QB hurts.
Dallas has drafted very well and thus has little cap space.
Keep drafting well and no one will care.
But fans crying about making big FA signings are lost in the sauce.

doubt Jerry cares bout what fans say.

When Dallas gave Romo this deal in 2013 when he was 32. Not old for a QB and he was fairly healthy. Nobody not even you and your crystal ball could've predicted 2015, let alone 2016. So dont act like dallas made his bad deal in 2015 when he was injured.

Troy aikman retired leaving 10.06mil in dead money in 2001. the salary cap in 2001 was 67mil.

Difference this time is dallas has its franchise qb on the team playing for 600k. And this teams core starters are mostly already locked up to deals already. This team just finished a 13-3 season and look to be going up instead of down.

 

[Nightman]

Oh great. Wisdom from the self-anointed "capologist"

Geez, you gave yourself a title and didn't even spell it right (you forgot the r)

thats Doctor Cap to you ......keep following me and someday you might get your Capologist degree

 

[Nightman]

@bkight13 - i am going to do an analysis on the 2019 cap and 2020 cap - whether it is even possible (reasonably) to use up the cap space - want to help?

useful info:
reasonable AAV for a FS (b jones)
i am assuming $10M AAV for Martin and $8M AAV for Collins (RFA) - are those reasonable?
any other players to worry about ?
i am presuming dlaw would not be resigned.

it is pointless...........DAL will have 100m in space they won't spend

the NFL is more likely to expand the rosters to eat up some of this excess cap space than DAL will spend it on UFAs

 

[Verdict]

Since the salary cap is irrelevant why don't we resign Leary? Why didn't we pay 100 million like the Giants last year? Some of you people live in La La Land.

 

[Verdict]

It already started.


I know we aren't gonna be big spenders, but I'm just saying we could if we wanted to.

I agree. We just cant spend whatever we want whenever we want every year. That's the deal. We can sign players now but it might cost Martin or someone else later. Ware was a cap casualty. If we hadn't pissed off so much of our cap on ******** players we could have kept Ware originally.

 

[AbeBeta]

thats Doctor Cap to you ......keep following me and someday you might get your Capologist degree

Dude, you don't even meet the bar for a backup school.

 

[waldoputty]

Since the salary cap is irrelevant why don't we resign Leary? Why didn't we pay 100 million like the Giants last year? Some of you people live in La La Land.

i did not say salary cap is irrelevant. it just needs to be planned.
i would not mind signing leary, but would rather use the money for a proper RT to replace Free.

before you say lala land, try putting it on a spreadsheet like i did.

 

[waldoputty]

Dude, you don't even meet the bar for a backup school.

what makes you such an expert?

 

[waldoputty]

I agree. We just cant spend whatever we want whenever we want every year. That's the deal. We can sign players now but it might cost Martin or someone else later. Ware was a cap casualty. If we hadn't pissed off so much of our cap on bull**** players we could have kept Ware originally.

Ware was a cap casualty from the pre- $10M/year cap rise days.
So that is irrelevant.

Martin would cost at most $5M for year 1 and $7.5M for year 2 of a contract.
Collins would cost even less given he would be RFA with less leverage.
Put it on a spreadsheet and you will see the light.

 

[waldoputty]

it is pointless...........DAL will have 100m in space they won't spend

the NFL is more likely to expand the rosters to eat up some of this excess cap space than DAL will spend it on UFAs

i know that.
you know that.
i am going to post an article on BTB so i want to get the facts right.

there is a minimum the cowboys have to spend - 90%?
i can see them frontloading contracts if they want to pennypinch.

what would you say is a good AAV for a FS assuming we extend Jone.
i am presuming DLaw is a bust so no need to resign
Oscan likely gone.
will not resign Thornton after 2019.

others i found:
Irving - ERFA - this year
Mayowa assuming we want him would be ufa in 2019
Beasley would be UFA after 2018 but would be 29.
the 2016 draft class do not become ufas until after 2020 season.
may resign swaim to a hanna like contract after 2018

then add on 3 years of draft picks assuming draft position of 28.

OMG LOL, There are no more places to put the money!!!

 

[haleyrules]

I agree. We just cant spend whatever we want whenever we want every year. That's the deal. We can sign players now but it might cost Martin or someone else later. Ware was a cap casualty. If we hadn't pissed off so much of our cap on bull**** players we could have kept Ware originally.

Thats what happens when a GM can't draft and tries to compensate by signing high end...low productivity FA's. It seems the FO has finally learned its lesson.

 

[waldoputty]

i know that.
you know that.
i am going to post an article on BTB so i want to get the facts right.

there is a minimum the cowboys have to spend - 90%?
i can see them frontloading contracts if they want to pennypinch.

what would you say is a good AAV for a FS assuming we extend Jone.
i am presuming DLaw is a bust so no need to resign
Oscan likely gone.
will not resign Thornton after 2019.

others i found:
Irving - ERFA - this year
Mayowa assuming we want him would be ufa in 2019
Beasley would be UFA after 2018 but would be 29.
the 2016 draft class do not become ufas until after 2020 season.
may resign swaim to a hanna like contract after 2018

then add on 3 years of draft picks assuming draft position of 28.

OMG LOL, There are no more places to put the money!!!

BK - do you have any input on the salaries?
also how much does ERFA drop the value of a contract.
HELP ME OUT!

i want to post an article on BTB on this by tomorrow.
my thesis would be: if there is no place to put the 2019 cap dollars, what in the world is the FO doing?

 

[Nightman]

BK - do you have any input on the salaries?
also how much does ERFA drop the value of a contract.
HELP ME OUT!

i want to post an article on BTB on this by tomorrow.
my thesis would be: if there is no place to put the 2019 cap dollars, what in the world is the FO doing?

Dak may get extended after 2019...more like big cap hit comes in 2020
BJones is looking like an 8m player if he maintains
DLaw 2m if he plateaus
Irving extends like TCrawford.....ERFA is 600k for 2017 then RFA for 3m in 2018
Beasley 5m tops
Dez might be 8m re-sign

the 90% rule is CASH spending not CAP spending......a 30m signing bonus counts as 30m not the 6m cap pro-ration..... and it is 4 year total from 2017 to 2020.....easy to reach

 

[waldoputty]

Dak may get extended after 2019...more like big cap hit comes in 2020
BJones is looking like an 8m player if he maintains
DLaw 2m if he plateaus
Irving extends like TCrawford.....ERFA is 600k for 2017 then RFA for 3m in 2018
Beasley 5m tops
Dez might be 8m re-sign

the 90% rule is CASH spending not CAP spending......a 30m signing bonus counts as 30m not the 6m cap pro-ration..... and it is 4 year total from 2017 to 2020.....easy to reach

Cool, i will do some calculations and see if I am missing any salaries.
Dak has a 4 year contract so he should be extended after 2019.
If they want to frontload things, I guess they could give Dak his multiyear contract 1 year early...
I suspect it would be difficult to get anywhere close to the 2019 cap.
Which would make it even more insane not to spend in 2017/2018.
Why spend on FAs in 2019 after Dez is close to done?
Unless they are that afraid of Brady and basically throwing 2017 and perhaps 2018
They are billionaires, hard to believe they are trying to screw the fans.

 

[AbeBeta]

what makes you such an expert?

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