Cowboys FO on salary cap and contract restructuring

[AbeBeta]

Ware was a cap casualty from the pre- $10M/year cap rise days.
So that is irrelevant.

Martin would cost at most $5M for year 1 and $7.5M for year 2 of a contract.
Collins would cost even less given he would be RFA with less leverage.
Put it on a spreadsheet and you will see the light.

Collins is eligible now for a new deal and likely gets one because Jerry wants to make up the money he lost and maybe lock him in for a fifth year

 

[Hoofbite]

It’s not necessarily for everybody, but we certainly think we can have success with it

Which at this point is all you need to hear one of them say. Been doing it for years on end now so we should be past the point of thinking it will be successful.

 

[waldoputty]

Collins is eligible now for a new deal and likely gets one because Jerry wants to make up the money he lost and maybe lock him in for a fifth year

why would jerry give him a new deal before the season starts when he could wait until the actual season begins?
unless there is a rule that prohibits it, why only lock in for a fifth year?
it should be a long term deal just like tsmith, tfred and the one martin will get after the actual season begins.

 

[jterrell]

why would jerry give him a new deal before the season starts when he could wait until the actual season begins?
unless there is a rule that prohibits it, why only lock in for a fifth year?
it should be a long term deal just like tsmith, tfred and the one martin will get after the actual season begins.

Zack Martin is the priority and the better player.
Collins would be next in that line.

 

[jterrell]

doubt Jerry cares bout what fans say.

When Dallas gave Romo this deal in 2013 when he was 32. Not old for a QB and he was fairly healthy. Nobody not even you and your crystal ball could've predicted 2015, let alone 2016. So dont act like dallas made his bad deal in 2015 when he was injured.

Troy aikman retired leaving 10.06mil in dead money in 2001. the salary cap in 2001 was 67mil.

Difference this time is dallas has its franchise qb on the team playing for 600k. And this teams core starters are mostly already locked up to deals already. This team just finished a 13-3 season and look to be going up instead of down.

i didn't say the romo deal was bad.
i said it's the price of doing NFL business under the cap and why yearly restructures come back to bite you.

it's basic common sense.
at some point you can't restructure and the bill is due in full.

but teams do not want the position of QB hitting 25m+ on their salary cap so that's not balanced or good.
that cap cash comes from other positions, like wr next season or safety or cb.

dallas has been forgoing big free agent signing for a while.
the lone exception was hardy and he didn't hit the cap until the weeks paychecks were cashed.
they are a young team with a great young qb.
they are going to keep moving that direction.

 

[jterrell]

why would jerry give him a new deal before the season starts when he could wait until the actual season begins?
unless there is a rule that prohibits it, why only lock in for a fifth year?
it should be a long term deal just like tsmith, tfred and the one martin will get after the actual season begins.

It's also very possible Collins doesn't play a 6th year here.
Because the salary cap does exist and Dallas will have far and away the highest paid OL in football before that 6th year is factored in.
You aren't going to pay your 4th best OL franchise caliber money.

 

[waldoputty]

It's also very possible Collins doesn't play a 6th year here.
Because the salary cap does exist and Dallas will have far and away the highest paid OL in football before that 6th year is factored in.
You aren't going to pay your 4th best OL franchise caliber money.

if you look at the long term cap structure, there is simply no problem paying for Collins.
in fact, i am going to do an analysis for our 2019 and 2020 cap structure.
i am pretty sure it will show we will have trouble spending up our cap for those 2 years.

 

[Rockdoc]

now that we have the best line
we cannot lose it
its our identity

 

[Verdict]

i didn't say the romo deal was bad.
i said it's the price of doing NFL business under the cap and why yearly restructures come back to bite you.

it's basic common sense.
at some point you can't restructure and the bill is due in full.

but teams do not want the position of QB hitting 25m+ on their salary cap so that's not balanced or good.
that cap cash comes from other positions, like wr next season or safety or cb.

dallas has been forgoing big free agent signing for a while.
the lone exception was hardy and he didn't hit the cap until the weeks paychecks were cashed.
they are a young team with a great young qb.
they are going to keep moving that direction.

According to some uninformed salary cap "gurus" the bill never comes due. They say the cap is irrelevant. That say we can do whatever we want, whenever we want, but they never explain we we haven't been doing it.

They can't explain why a cap exists as if it really isn't a cap at all.

 

[waldoputty]

According to some uninformed salary cap "gurus" the bill never comes due. They say the cap is irrelevant. That say we can do whatever we want, whenever we want, but they never explain we we haven't been doing it.

They can't explain why a cap exists as if it really isn't a cap at all.

nobody said the bill never comes due.
however, if you do some planning, you are evening out your expenditure between the years you have less cap space with years you have lots of cap space.
so you can match your expenditures when you top weapons are still top (like dez).

 

[Verdict]

nobody said the bill never comes due.
however, if you do some planning, you are evening out your expenditure between the years you have less cap space with years you have lots of cap space.
so you can match your expenditures when you top weapons are still top (like dez).

Yes. That's a fair statement. But that's not what some of these guys think.

 

[waldoputty]

Yes. That's a fair statement. But that's not what some of these guys think.

i have rarely heard from anyone that cap does not matter.
i have heard that with the rapid cap rise, it pays to push expenditures into the future.
that makes sense because of money is much cheaper in the future.

also, if you keeping push salary cap into future year(s), then you essentially do not have to pay it back.
that is because you are borrowing from next year to pay for the current year.
so that can be perpetuated through the years, as long as you do really good planning.

what the FO appears to be doing now is reversing the money flow so less money is pushed out to the future (especially if you look at the cap in 2018 and 2019).
so you are effectively reducing the cap in 2017 and 2018 because some of the 2017/2018 caps were used in previous years. if you dont continue the borrow trend, you are squeezing 2017 and 2018. given Dez/Zeke primes, that just does not make sense in terms of maximizing our chances to win the maximum number of superbowls.

 

[Verdict]

i have rarely heard from anyone that cap does not matter.
i have heard that with the rapid cap rise, it pays to push expenditures into the future.
that makes sense because of money is much cheaper in the future.

also, if you keeping push salary cap into future year(s), then you essentially do not have to pay it back.
that is because you are borrowing from next year to pay for the current year.
so that can be perpetuated through the years, as long as you do really good planning.

what the FO appears to be doing now is reversing the money flow so less money is pushed out to the future (especially if you look at the cap in 2018 and 2019).
so you are effectively reducing the cap in 2017 and 2018 because some of the 2017/2018 caps were used in previous years. if you dont continue the borrow trend, you are squeezing 2017 and 2018. given Dez/Zeke primes, that just does not make sense in terms of maximizing our chances to win the maximum number of superbowls.

My gosh man, have you not been reading the posts on this forum? Haven't you read that we can do anything we want? The cap is irrelevant.

That stuff is like drinking raw sewage. Complete and utter garbage!

 

[waldoputty]

My gosh man, have you not been reading the posts on this forum? Haven't you read that we can do anything we want? The cap is irrelevant.

That stuff is like drinking raw sewage. Complete and utter garbage!

bkight13 and i probably talk about the stupidity of the current cap management the most.
bkight13 and i have not said anything like cap does not matter.

i have no idea who you are talking about.

 

[Verdict]

bkight13 and i probably talk about the stupidity of the current cap management the most.
bkight13 and i have not said anything like cap does not matter.

i have no idea who you are talking about.

Ok. We will let the prior posts speak for themselves on that issue. You are currently speaking somewhat reasonably on the issue. All of the posts made by everyone before this point do not fall into that category and I will leave it at that.

 

[waldoputty]

Ok. We will let the prior posts speak for themselves on that issue. You are currently speaking somewhat reasonably on the issue. All of the posts made by everyone before this point do not fall into that category and I will leave it at that.

lol, i am not going to go through old posts.
if you are talking bk, i think he just does not have to patience to explain his conclusions.
i am more nerdy and will show the dirty details...

 

[Verdict]

lol, i am not going to go through old posts.
if you are talking bk, i think he just does not have to patience to explain his conclusions.
i am more nerdy and will show the dirty details...

I think you view the world more reasonably and I will leave it at that.

 

[Nightman]

I think you view the world more reasonably and I will leave it at that.

you are just a broken record that repeats the same old tired line over and over again

the cap is irrelevant if you can open 50-60m in cap space and only cut your worst OL and your TE3 and RB3 and LB7

you want to be the smart aleck that knows everything but you offer no ideas, just criticisms of other people's work....good luck with that

 

[waldoputty]

you are just a broken record that repeats the same old tired line over and over again

the cap is irrelevant if you can open 50-60m in cap space and only cut your worst OL and your TE3 and RB3 and LB7

you want to be the smart aleck that knows everything but you offer no ideas, just criticisms of other people's work....good luck with that

@bkight13 - apparently i am more reasonable than you. i think you just know more about the cap. since i know less, i would do things like building the entire cap table to be sure...

 

[LocimusPrime]

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