Cowboys gambled big with Amari Cooper and the deadline cemented their loss

[Havic]

That's the best you got?
I mean, you're complaining but you have no ideas.
That makes complaining look bad on your part.

We've had 20+ Amari Cooper threads, the topic has been exhausted.

 

[zekecowboy]

I don't care or am thinking as a fan. I'm thinking as a businessman who has owned 2 previous businesses, hence why I totally understand the hard but necessary decision to cut Cooper by this front office. If anyone is thinking like a fan it's some of you Cooper defenders.

Since your thinking as a business man would you have resigned Dak to his $40 million contract?

 

[Staubacher]

Amari was sent packing for missing 2 games over vaccination.

Zeke was paid huge for missing 2 games holing out and missing 6 more for off the field stupidity.

 

[fansince68]

I have to disagree, it's obvious the Cowboys did screw up. Lost trade value (2nd round vs 5th round) and Dallas really does not have a #1 wide receiver. Why do you think Dallas is trying to pick up a #1 wide receiver? Everybody has an opinion.

The article also has an example of a trade at the deadline this year.

BREAKING: Bears trading for Steelers WR Chase Claypool in exchange for a 2023 second-round pick. (via @TomPelissero)



Claypool isn’t a bad player, by any means. However, he certainly isn’t as good as Cooper is right now.

Now, who is to say that the Cowboys even look to trade Cooper if they hold on to him long enough to see that Claypool-type value on him; but again, they never even gave themselves that chance.

Bears get a 2nd round 2023 pick.

Actually it's the Steelers that get the 2nd round pick.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Since your thinking as a business man would you have resigned Dak to his $40 million contract?

Nope! But I would have signed Dak 2 years sooner for around $30 million before he switched agents and swindled Jerry into such an overpaid contract. That was Jerry's fault. He could have prevented this.

 

[Jarntt]

Trading Cooper was the smart move. He wasn’t worth $20M here and the decision to get rid of him was decided the day he signed his contract to anyone who cared to look at the structure. It sucks to lose good players but it was the right move and he is good not great and starting a thread like this every time he has a good game on a team with zero other receiving options and ignoring it every time he has a bad game is lame. Same thread over and over and over

 

[RoboQB]

We've had 20+ Amari Cooper threads, the topic has been exhausted.

Right. And you're still here.
I'm not trying to argue. I'm saying if you make a thread with a new topic
I would participate.
Right now, the Cooper stuff is relevant since Dallas tried to trade for
Jerry Jeudy and Brandin Cooks, failing each time, and now are in the
"holding hands" puppy love stage with OBJ.

 

[RoboQB]

When he’s “treated like a #1”…..y’all are nuts lol. Vikings sucked, Bengals sucked and he showed up in a loss to the Buccs. Great lol. I mean at this point why not just be a Browns fan if you are this pro Cooper? If you are this impressed by him wait until you watch guys like Justin Jefferson or Tyreke Hill. It’s gonna blow your mind.

You sound awfully pissy.
It's a message board. People are going to disagree.
I'm not changing teams over anything. You sound very young, suddenly.
I watch a lot of LSU and KC games because... family.
Tyreek Hill (Cheetah)...I've only watched a few Dolphins games this year.

By the way, OBJ wants $20M per year.

 

[USArmyVet]

Nope! But I would have signed Dak 2 years sooner for around $30 million before he switched agents and swindled Jerry into such an overpaid contract. That was Jerry's fault. He could have prevented this.

Goes both ways in that Jerry was moronic signing Dak to a 4-year deal averaging $40M/year but Jerry did offer Dak and his agent a 5-year deal that averaged $35M/year prior to the 2020 season which ultimately resulted in Dak getting the franchise tag.

So while Jerry shouldn't have caved, Dak and his agent forced the issue too by refusing a 5th year.

 

[LittleD]

The problem is that the “core group” didn’t remain intact. Looking at Amari Cooper’s 68 receptions for 865 yards across 15 games in 2021, where he had eight touchdowns and averaged 12.7 yards per reception, they would be baited by CeeDee Lamb’s 79 receptions for 1,102 yards across 16 games in that same season, where he scored six touchdowns and averaged 13.9 yards per reception.

While the production was equitable or better from Lamb in that same timeframe, the nearly $4.5 million he was due over the next two seasons compared to the $60 million or so that Cooper was due over the next three years became the biggest factor. Trading Cooper was the route they deemed most effective and efficient for their payroll.

The one they just let walk most recently went for 131 yards and a touchdown on five receptions against a heated in-state rival in the Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football in a Halloween Showdown. Watching Cooper shine with another team makes this deal even more frustrating.

The Cowboys’ need for a WR at the deadline (and lack of getting one) proves they were wrong to let go of Amari Cooper so quickly

Nine weeks in and past the trade deadline, you can officially say the front office was wrong.

The reality here is that the gamble and the decision to get rid of Cooper for what they got in return was a bad one, and they’re paying for it now.

Here is the link for the full article:

https://thelandryhat.com/2022/11/11/cowboys-gamble-amari-cooper/

What loss...The Boys are 6x2 and doing fine. We can play just fine with run game and 3 TE's. KC does.

 

[CowboyoWales]

What loss...The Boys are 6x2 and doing fine. We can play just fine with run game and 3 TE's. KC does.

.....yep surprised that WR's only made up 56% of receptions for the Chiefs, as opposed to 66% of our's. Run the ball and keep moving the chains, play it simple. This goes for the OBJ thread as well....KM gets a toy and he's likely to over play it.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Goes both ways in that Jerry was moronic signing Dak to a 4-year deal averaging $40M/year but Jerry did offer Dak and his agent a 5-year deal that averaged $35M/year prior to the 2020 season which ultimately resulted in Dak getting the franchise tag.

So while Jerry shouldn't have caved, Dak and his agent forced the issue too by refusing a 5th year.

True, but remember, Jerry offered the 5 year/$35 mil/year deal AFTER he had tagged Dak the first time. Probably what got Dak hurt and upset and forced him to switch agent was how halfway through the 2019 season (Dak's 4th and final year of his rookie contract), Jerry was quick to use a 1st round pick to bring in Amari Cooper AND OFFER HIM A NEW BIG CONTRACT WORTH $20+ MILLION/YEAR, yet Jerry dragged his feet with Dak and instead just tagged him...his own franchise QB who had been drafted and fought hard every season for the Cowboys.

 

[xwalker]

Jerry blew the trade, that part is undeniable. And certainly him telling everyone they would cut cooper was a big part of them getting very little. Are you going to pay big for a guy you know the team doenst want?

Nonsense.

30 other teams could have outbid Cleveland. Those teams didn't pass up a good deal just because Jerry talked too much.

 

[Pass2Run]

The core group DID remain in tact, though.

Amari disappears on the road, doesn't give 100%, and wasn't a team guy, didn't want to fall in line, and was a prima donna.

Loss?

The Cowboys are 6-2....

 

[CowboyRoy]

Nonsense.

30 other teams could have outbid Cleveland. Those teams didn't pass up a good deal just because Jerry talked too much.

Once you tell the world you are going to drop the player, no one is going to offer you much. Its pretty obvious as the most they got was a 5th round pick.

A good deal? Cooper for 22 million is NOT a good deal.

 

[Jumbo075]

The problem is that the “core group” didn’t remain intact. Looking at Amari Cooper’s 68 receptions for 865 yards across 15 games in 2021, where he had eight touchdowns and averaged 12.7 yards per reception, they would be baited by CeeDee Lamb’s 79 receptions for 1,102 yards across 16 games in that same season, where he scored six touchdowns and averaged 13.9 yards per reception.

While the production was equitable or better from Lamb in that same timeframe, the nearly $4.5 million he was due over the next two seasons compared to the $60 million or so that Cooper was due over the next three years became the biggest factor. Trading Cooper was the route they deemed most effective and efficient for their payroll.

The one they just let walk most recently went for 131 yards and a touchdown on five receptions against a heated in-state rival in the Cincinnati Bengals on Monday Night Football in a Halloween Showdown. Watching Cooper shine with another team makes this deal even more frustrating.

The Cowboys’ need for a WR at the deadline (and lack of getting one) proves they were wrong to let go of Amari Cooper so quickly

Nine weeks in and past the trade deadline, you can officially say the front office was wrong.

The reality here is that the gamble and the decision to get rid of Cooper for what they got in return was a bad one, and they’re paying for it now.

Here is the link for the full article:

https://thelandryhat.com/2022/11/11/cowboys-gamble-amari-cooper/

I think it is way too soon to make a judgement on whether losing Cooper is a mistake. Gallup was out the first part of the season, and Dak has only been back two games.

Also, the emergence of both Ferguson and Hendershot means that the offensive game plan for production is changing. The Patriots showed that running the offense through the tight ends and running backs is a legitimate path to a championship.

Dak, Gallup and Lamb have only been together for two games - one of which resulted in scoring 49 points. The emergence of Pollard gives the Cowboys a very effective 1-2 punch in the run game. And Dak adds to the run game in a way Cooper Rush simply cannot do.

In the next 9 games, the Cowboys will truly find out if trading Cooper was a mistake. My sense is that having a top defense is worth losing Cooper. And having the money to resign players on Defense like Wilson, Parsons and Diggs is a better use of the funds.

Are we going to have to adjust our expectations for the offense? Yes. Do we have less big play potential? Maybe. But with a better defense, that big play potential diminishes in importance.

If the offense doesn’t run through the wide receivers as much, but through the running game and the tight ends, that can work. The Cowboys are still getting explosive plays. But this year they are coming through the run game. And a more efficient Dak who doesn’t force plays will turn out better for the Cowboys.

I think the Cowboys do need a 3rd receiver. But it doesn’t have to be a $20 million player.

 

[blueblood70]

I think it is way too soon to make a judgement on whether losing Cooper is a mistake. Gallup was out the first part of the season, and Dak has only been back two games.

Also, the emergence of both Ferguson and Hendershot means that the offensive game plan for production is changing. The Patriots showed that running the offense through the tight ends and running backs is a legitimate path to a championship.

Dak, Gallup and Lamb have only been together for two games - one of which resulted in scoring 49 points. The emergence of Pollard gives the Cowboys a very effective 1-2 punch in the run game. And Dak adds to the run game in a way Cooper Rush simply cannot do.

In the next 9 games, the Cowboys will truly find out if trading Cooper was a mistake. My sense is that having a top defense is worth losing Cooper. And having the money to resign players on Defense like Wilson, Parsons and Diggs is a better use of the funds.

Are we going to have to adjust our expectations for the offense? Yes. Do we have less big play potential? Maybe. But with a better defense, that big play potential diminishes in importance.

If the offense doesn’t run through the wide receivers as much, but through the running game and the tight ends, that can work. The Cowboys are still getting explosive plays. But this year they are coming through the run game. And a more efficient Dak who doesn’t force plays will turn out better for the Cowboys.

I think the Cowboys do need a 3rd receiver. But it doesn’t have to be a $20 million player.

true feel the same way

SO SO SICK of a Browns Player being mentioned so much in Cowboys forum. its old very old dead and beaten
horse.

we moved on , if others can not,

please go be Browns fan. IMHO AC was not a mistake being released its been discussed, its
over.
back to Cowboys Players and team talk.

 

[USArmyVet]

true feel the same way

SO SO SICK of a Browns Player being mentioned so much in Cowboys forum. its old very old dead and beaten
horse.

we moved on , if others can not,

please go be Browns fan. IMHO AC was not a mistake being released its been discussed, its
over.
back to Cowboys Players and team talk.

Look how many Aaron Rodgers are popping up the last few days.

 

[blueblood70]

Look how many Aaron Rodgers are popping up the last few days.

we are Playing that team this week. There's a difference to the Constant whining by Cooper fans who are believing they have point, they do not.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Once you tell the world you are going to drop the player, no one is going to offer you much. Its pretty obvious as the most they got was a 5th round pick.

A good deal? Cooper for 22 million is NOT a good deal.

It's an auction...If a team wanted him they'll beat the offer on the table. Everyone interested would have known what Cleveland put on the table, nobody wanted to go higher.