Cowboys give Glenn ultimatum - 6/2/08

[Chocolate Lab]

He could have had the microfracture surgery last year and retired, but he risked his long term health for another chance at the Superbowl. For whatever money he "stole" from Jerry last year, Jerry "stole" from Glenn on his first contract with the Cowboys. He's a warrior and a professional, and he did nothing but make huge catch after huge catch with the Cowboys. I'll be sad to see him go. Frankly, I'm surprised Jerry's making such a hardline stance over a player who has sacrificed himself so much for a chance to save 1.2 million dollars. Jerry has spent that much on long snappers. The Cowboys don't have a surefire #2 WR. They should be keeping possibilities open, not limiting them.

Exactly... I can't believe some people are saying Terry stole money last year. He could have just had his microfracture surgery last year and got paid anyway if he didn't care about playing. I was just impressed that he made the effort to play at the end of the year.

This is one of those times Jerry looks bad IMO. Just a couple of weeks ago he was talking up Terry, and now he does this.

BTW, I thought I read in one of the recent articles that Terry's knee wouldn't even pass a physical at this point. Was that just propaganda? Because how would he now pass it and be able to play?

 

[onetrickpony]

Somebody help me out here. TG is a vested veteran. If he is on the roster for the 1st game, his entire salary is guaranteed for the whole year isn't it?

So is this split contract only in effect for the next three months or can it apply for the whole season. I thought it only applied for the next three months and if TG makes it to game 1 his salary is guaranteed no matter what happens.

I looked at this as a sort of "pre-injury settlement" sort of thing. If he hurts the knee before the season, with this is place there is no need to negotiate a settlement because it's covered by this split contract.

 

[AbeBeta]

We added a loss and subtracted a win?

Since a playoff bye is just like a win, our record should be listed as 14-4.

 

[AbeBeta]

Exactly... I can't believe some people are saying Terry stole money last year. He could have just had his microfracture surgery last year and got paid anyway if he didn't care about playing. I was just impressed that he made the effort to play at the end of the year.

This is one of those times Jerry looks bad IMO. Just a couple of weeks ago he was talking up Terry, and now he does this.

BTW, I thought I read in one of the recent articles that Terry's knee wouldn't even pass a physical at this point. Was that just propaganda? Because how would he now pass it and be able to play?

Microfracture? Had Terry had that he would be done for his career. What he's doing is basically putting off microfracture surgery until no one will pay him anymore.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I hadn't heard, or read this anywhere, until now but if it's true then I'd imagine this is the end of the Glenn run in Dallas. Shame too because I really like Terry but I think he's being niave, at least, to think anyone is going to give him more than a vet minimum coming off that kind of knee injury.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Microfracture? Had Terry had that he would be done for his career. What he's doing is basically putting off microfracture surgery until no one will pay him anymore.

Jerry was the first to commend Terry for what he did last year, and said he wished everyone on the team was that willing to sacrifice themselves like that to reach a Superbowl.

He already got his payday when he got the 5.0 million dollar roster bonus last March. He didn't have to play another down, and he could have still banked the entire 5 million and rode off into the sunset without doing any more damage to his knees. The microfracture surgery isn't foolproof. Some people's knees never recover. Terry Glenn could be looking at knee replacements before the age of 40. If it was all about money he wouldn't have been the last to leave the field after the playoff loss, sitting on the bench with tears in his eyes. For Glenn, I imagine this has much more to do with personal pride than it is about money. In essence, what Jerry is asking him to do is take the same type of offer that undrafted rookies sign to. That's pretty strong stuff for a veteran who has given this franchise what Glenn has.

 

[juck]

adios best of luck,give Matt Jones a high-five on ur way out.:laugh2:

 

[AbeBeta]

Jerry was the first to commend Terry for what he did last year, and said he wished everyone on the team was that willing to sacrifice themselves like that to reach a Superbowl.

He already got his payday when he got the 5.0 million dollar roster bonus last March. He didn't have to play another down, and he could have still banked the entire 5 million and rode off into the sunset without doing any more damage to his knees. The microfracture surgery isn't foolproof. Some people's knees never recover. Terry Glenn could be looking at knee replacements before the age of 40. If it was all about money he wouldn't have been the last to leave the field after the playoff loss, sitting on the bench with tears in his eyes. For Glenn, I imagine this has much more to do with personal pride than it is about money. In essence, what Jerry is asking him to do is take the same type of offer that undrafted rookies sign to. That's pretty strong stuff for a veteran who has given this franchise what Glenn has.

Again, the choice was a) end your career or b) don't end your career.

Glenn wanted to keep his career going -- that's good on him but still it isn't the huge sacrifice you make it out to be -- he's getting microfracture either way and he's probably got an artificial knee either way.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yep, I got the Cowboys 2007 Record wrong.

All there is left to do is to ask me what I want on my tombstone ?

Ok... what do you want pepperoni or sausage?

 

[lspain1]

Let's assume the knee is bad and Glenn knows it. This is the last NFL payday he's gonna get. He will only sign the deal if he is convinced no other team will give him more than $500K for the year. He gets released and finds anther home for the last series of paychecks.

Now, we assume the knee has a chance and Glenn thinks he can play. He definitely signs the deal because he believes he picks up the $1.7 mil. IMO, no other team will risk as much at this point.

You follow the money here and you get your answer. I think the knee is bad and Glenn goes elsewhere for more than $500K guaranteed. We'll see.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Ok... what do you want pepperoni or sausage?

:laugh2:

 

[InmanRoshi]

Let's assume the knee is bad and Glenn knows it. This is the last NFL payday he's gonna get. He will only sign the deal if he is convinced no other team will give him more than $500K for the year. He gets released and finds anther home for the last series of paychecks.

Now, we assume the knee has a chance and Glenn thinks he can play. He definitely signs the deal because he believes he picks up the $1.7 mil. IMO, no other team will risk as much at this point.

You follow the money here and you get your answer. I think the knee is bad and Glenn goes elsewhere for more than $500K guaranteed. We'll see.

Let's also assume that Glenn thinks there might be very good chance he can come back and be a contributer, but he asks himself "Is another year even worth all the pain, swelling, not being able to get out of bed in the morning, the rehab, the waking up at 5 AM six days a week to let the trainers work on it, another grueling training camp, etc. etc. when I just cashed a $5 million check last year and already have more than enough money to retire and ride off into the sunset? Why am I putting myself through this again?"

Maybe Jerry's hardline stance answered a question for him, too.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Let's also assume that Glenn thinks there might be very good chance he can come back and be a contributer, but he asks himself "Is another year even worth all the pain, swelling, not being able to get out of bed in the morning, the rehab, the waking up at 5 AM six days a week to let the trainers work on it, another grueling training camp, etc. etc. when I just cashed a $5 million check last year and already have more than enough money to retire and ride off into the sunset? Why am I putting myself through this again?"

Maybe Jerry's hardline stance answered a question for him, too.

If Jerry gave Glenn a hardline stance then I give him props for that. Maybe Jerry has learned something.

 

[odog422]

I really don't know what is driving Jerry here. Whether it's strictly financial (Just want to try to save a million bucks if possible) or something else (Jerry thinking of all the money he's shelled out here recently, for example).

I'm usually all for the player because of the price that's paid physically. But unless it's just a pride thing, I say sign the waiver. I say this because if you have that many doubts about your knee, you probably shouldn't play anyway.

That said, I won't be mad with Glenn if he doesn't sign. Frankly, I really didn't see how he could come back and play with no cartilage AND a degenerative condition in the knee in the first place.

And from what I've read, the team wanted him to do the microfracture surgery last year. From that perspective it makes sense because you lose last year anyway. Plus you have the chance to change/alter the progression of what ails you. So I can see the team taking the position of "ok, you did it your way and it didn't work, but this year we want some bang for our buck, no offense." And I see nothing wrong with that either.

I'm just baffled as to why Jerry would take this stance about a million bucks. I think it's obvious the players he favors money is no issue. Could it be that Jerry feels Glenn is more loyal to Bill than to him and therefore, he feels no obligation to "work" with Terry on this? I just wonder....

 

[khiladi]

Let's also assume that Glenn thinks there might be very good chance he can come back and be a contributer, but he asks himself "Is another year even worth all the pain, swelling, not being able to get out of bed in the morning, the rehab, the waking up at 5 AM six days a week to let the trainers work on it, another grueling training camp, etc. etc. when I just cashed a $5 million check last year and already have more than enough money to retire and ride off into the sunset? Why am I putting myself through this again?"

Maybe Jerry's hardline stance answered a question for him, too.

An extra one million is something to scream about even when talking about a 5 million dollar check. From taxes right there, your looking at less than 4 million.

The fact is, no matter what, he has to get the surgery and he is just delaying it.

 

[JonJon]

dropping one pass sure does negate a pretty good season otherwise for some.

we had a pretty potent offense sans glenn WITH crayton. the simple fact of the matter is we have a LOT of valid weapons now and we'll have to see how it comes together. crayton may not be a super #2, but he wasn't too bad.

except for 1 pass people will never forgive.

I don't think the dropped catch negates Crayton's good season. However, it did play a large part in negating our chances of getting to the Super Bowl which is what this is all about. Those are the plays that you need to make and Crayton dropped the ball, literally.

I think he would make that play 9 times out of 10 though.

 

[iceberg]

I don't think the dropped catch negates Crayton's good season. However, it did play a large part in negating our chances of getting to the Super Bowl which is what this is all about. Those are the plays that you need to make and Crayton dropped the ball, literally.

I think he would make that play 9 times out of 10 though.

i think he would too. but crayton went from pretty decent "2nd wr" - not spectacular, but pretty good - to "sucks" to many fans because of that. yes crayton needed to make that play but not making 1 play doesn't negate the rest of your accomplishments.

his mouth doesn't help him any either, however.

 

[percyhoward]

This is one of those times Jerry looks bad IMO. Just a couple of weeks ago he was talking up Terry, and now he does this.

I agree. The team should have told Glenn last year before the surgery about the possibility that they might want him to sign a waiver later on. It would have given him a clearer picture of his options ahead of time.

I can see why they didn't tell him--it was the right business decision. But in the long run, maybe a better decision would have been to just be honest with him.

 

[AbeBeta]

I agree. The team should have told Glenn last year before the surgery about the possibility that they might want him to sign a waiver later on. It would have given him a clearer picture of his options ahead of time.

I can see why they didn't tell him--it was the right business decision. But in the long run, maybe a better decision would have been to just be honest with him.

Why? His other option would have been to end his career by having microfracture surgery -- guys his age do not come back from that.

 

[khiladi]

I agree. The team should have told Glenn last year before the surgery about the possibility that they might want him to sign a waiver later on. It would have given him a clearer picture of his options ahead of time.

ANd if Glenn got the surgery, he would have been done, finished. He wouldn't have gotten paid his 5 million dollars. WHy would Dallas give him 5 million plus last year if they had any intents to make him sign a waiver the next year? Maybe it was because of the whole situation last year that Dallas got a clearer picture...

I can see why they didn't tell him--it was the right business decision. But in the long run, maybe a better decision would have been to just be honest with him.

That is predicated on the fact that they had a clear picture. They thought he could play and contribute, so they paid him good money. He didn't contribute worth jack last year and still got paid.