Cowboys Have Re-signed Anthony Spencer

[Denim Chicken]

Why? Once again, if he doesn't play the year, he gets paid.

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There really is no upside, IF he plays, he is still recovering from a serious injury, and will have little impact.

Good to know we have some soothsayers here on the board.

 

[Rockport]

An immediate impact player this year? Is that going to suddenly make us super bowl contenders? I've been over this before.. we are SEVERAL players away from going anywhere. We have holes everywhere. When your team is in this position, you take BPA and you think long term... not "immediate impact". That immediate impact thinking is why our team has sucked for almost 2 decades.

We were 8-8 last year and playing for the playoffs in week 17. I think we're just 1 good draft away. No need to draft a QB now. Next year maybe.

 

[Doomsday101]

I am pretty confident, they knew about the procedure before he was franchised.

Spencer was not injured when he signed the last franchise. He injured the knee in camp, played the opening weekend went down and then doctors determined he needed the Micro fracture surgery. Spencer did nothing wrong but get hurt, he stole nothing from no one.

 

[rwill784]

Why, in your opinion, do you think Rivers sat behind Rivers as long as he did?

Just to but in rivers sat behind brees mainly because brees gave them no choice with his play. Brees tore it up that year and as someone posted had San Diego willing to keep him and possibly deal rivers. Brees outplayed him won the job and never truly lost it. Same with Russel Wilson a good coach will make that unpopular call and play the better man despite experience.

 

[iceberg]

Why? Once again, if he doesn't play the year, he gets paid. There really is no upside, IF he plays, he is still recovering from a serious injury, and will have little impact.

very liberal of you to allow if's to fall onto your side but not give the same leeway to the other.

1. you have ZERO idea of where spencer is in his recovery.
2. *if* he doesn't play can just as easily be *if* he plays quite a bit. don't go bogarting the word "if" son.
3. *if* he's not ready by game 1 he can be cut for ZERO cost and likely brought back for even less $$$.

there is zero risk in this signing but *if* you must complain, welcome to my list.

 

[Doomsday101]

Why, in your opinion, do you think Rivers sat behind Rivers as long as he did?

Every team has reasons why they will or will not start a player day 1. Yes SD had Brees no need to start Rivers right away, Luck with the Colts there was no one and in most cases there is no one. As for Rodgers he sat 3 years behind Favre if they wanted to start him they could. Brett was not the coach, owner or GM they draft Rodgers for the same reason they drafted Hasslebeck and that was to have a quality QB waiting in the wings. In Hasslebeck case they traded to the seahawks for a first (10th overall) and third-round draft picks.

With how the rookie pay scale is teams will be able to draft and have that player sit if they have a quality starter who is getting up in age as teams did in the past before FA and caps

 

[DanteEXT]

If a QB is taken in the first round, you can exercise the fifth year option under this CBA. It basically is a free franchise tag.

Depending on where they are drafted and the position they play, it may not be so "free".

 

[Doomsday101]

very liberal of you to allow if's to fall onto your side but not give the same leeway to the other.

1. you have ZERO idea of where spencer is in his recovery.
2. *if* he doesn't play can just as easily be *if* he plays quite a bit. don't go bogarting the word "if" son.
3. *if* he's not ready by game 1 he can be cut for ZERO cost and likely brought back for even less $$$.

there is zero risk in this signing but *if* you must complain, welcome to my list.

Exactly, I don't know if Spencer will be able to play again or not. What I do know is he will get a chance to show if he can or can't with no real cost to the Cowboys. If he can come back and some players have from this procedure then Spencer will be able to help this unit, if Spencer can't then Dallas can walk away from this at no cost.

 

[iceberg]

Exactly, I don't know if Spencer will be able to play again or not. What I do know is he will get a chance to show if he can or can't with no real cost to the Cowboys. If he can come back and some players have from this procedure then Spencer will be able to help this unit, if Spencer can't then Dallas can walk away from this at no cost.

and i have to believe spencer knew he'd have to prove he can play before he ever saw another dime in the NFL as a player.

no other team offered him anything. yes, that can be very telling. but with no bonus, no guarantee, there is simply no risk in seeing if he has anything left. but there always seems to be some subset of fans who simply can't see the good in this but must drag the irrelevant past into it today.

 

[DanteEXT]

I understand that and pointed it out but the bottom line rookie QB sat they were not forced to start right away they had the chance to learn without the pressure of starting. Should Dallas look to get a QB at some point given the fact there is now a rookie pay scale in place it does not force a team to sit a 68 mill dollar player.

I should have been more clear. I was talking about the contract lengths. The longest a guy can sit really is 2 years now. A team is going to have to play the guy in year three just to know if they think picking up the 5th year option before his 4th season is worth it or not. (unless I am misunderstanding how the 5th year option works)

 

[CashMan]

very liberal of you to allow if's to fall onto your side but not give the same leeway to the other.

1. you have ZERO idea of where spencer is in his recovery.
2. *if* he doesn't play can just as easily be *if* he plays quite a bit. don't go bogarting the word "if" son.
3. *if* he's not ready by game 1 he can be cut for ZERO cost and likely brought back for even less $$$.

there is zero risk in this signing but *if* you must complain, welcome to my list.

1. IF he is as far along with it, as you think, why did he sign a contract for guaranteed money?
2. Don't call me son.
3. He CAN get cut, but we both know, that is not how Jerry operates.

 

[Corso]

Exactly, I don't know if Spencer will be able to play again or not. What I do know is he will get a chance to show if he can or can't with no real cost to the Cowboys. If he can come back and some players have from this procedure then Spencer will be able to help this unit, if Spencer can't then Dallas can walk away from this at no cost.

Why can't this ultra-simple concept not be grasped by some? I'm not getting it.
Even the more "simple" posters here should be able to understand this.

 

[Corso]

1. IF he is as far along with it, as you think, why did he sign a contract for guaranteed money?
2. Don't call me son.
3. He CAN get cut, but we both know, that is not how Jerry operates.

Like he didn't cut Ware?

 

[Doomsday101]

I should have been more clear. I was talking about the contract lengths. The longest a guy can sit really is 2 years now. A team is going to have to play the guy in year three just to know if they think picking up the 5th year option before his 4th season is worth it or not. (unless I am misunderstanding how the 5th year option works)

I agree which is why I stated that you could sit a QB for a 1 or 2 before you end up starting him. Most who are taking a QB with a top pick they do so because they don't have a decent QB so there is nothing to sit behind. Given the fact that these rookies are no longer getting paid like Pro Bowl players before they play a single game it will allow teams to not rush a guy who may not be ready

 

[Doomsday101]

Why can't this ultra-simple concept not be grasped by some? I'm not getting it.
Even the more "simple" posters here should be able to understand this.

Seems like a no brainer, I doubt Jerry will keep him or make sure he is on the team when he was willing to part ways with Ware and Hatcher. If Spencer can't go I have no doubt Dallas will cut him

 

[DanteEXT]

Please provide the financials of their contracts! Because, since they were drafted and rookies now, a cap has gone into effect(sp?)

What I meant by afford was that they still had options and time, no real rush to get them in. Not that they were being paid cheaply.

But to your question, wiki says:

"In August 2004, Rivers signed a six-year, $40.5 million contract with the [SIZE=+0]San Diego Chargers[/SIZE] that included $14.5 million in signing bonuses"

"In August 2005 Rodgers agreed to a reported five-year, $7.7 million deal that included $5.4 million in guaranteed money and had the potential to pay him as much as $24.5 million if all incentives and escalators were met"

So, I guess GB was paying peanuts to Rodgers so they had no financial motive to get him in the game. Probably why they gave Favre so much leeway.

 

[iceberg]

1. IF he is as far along with it, as you think, why did he sign a contract for guaranteed money?
2. Don't call me son.
3. He CAN get cut, but we both know, that is not how Jerry operates.

1. did i say he was far along with it? i said YOU have no idea and that also means *I* have no idea.
2. stop acting like one.
3. jones cut ware and let hatcher walk. he signed spencer to a freaking ZERO RISK contract.

and you're still whining like a baby missing his blankie. don't bother replying. you made the list.

 

[CashMan]

Like he didn't cut Ware?

There is a

1. did i say he was far along with it? i said YOU have no idea and that also means *I* have no idea.
2. stop acting like one.
3. jones cut ware and let hatcher walk. he signed spencer to a freaking ZERO RISK contract.

and you're still whining like a baby missing his blankie. don't bother replying. you made the list.

1. Vice versa, you are assuming this.
2. You're like 11yrs older than me, get a life, with than son crap.
3. He had no money, it was improbable to run a team without cutting Ware and signing Hatcher.

 

[Doomsday101]

and i have to believe spencer knew he'd have to prove he can play before he ever saw another dime in the NFL as a player.

no other team offered him anything. yes, that can be very telling. but with no bonus, no guarantee, there is simply no risk in seeing if he has anything left. but there always seems to be some subset of fans who simply can't see the good in this but must drag the irrelevant past into it today.

One advantage Dallas has is that Spencer has been working and rehabbing at Valley Ranch with trainers and medical staff I would say they at least have a clue as to where he is in this process. Right now Spencer is not going to pass a physical I knew that before he visited any of the teams give where he is in the rehab stage.

 

[CashMan]

What I meant by afford was that they still had options and time, no real rush to get them in. Not that they were being paid cheaply.

But to your question, wiki says:

"In August 2004, Rivers signed a six-year, $40.5 million contract with the [SIZE=+0]San Diego Chargers[/SIZE] that included $14.5 million in signing bonuses"

"In August 2005 Rodgers agreed to a reported five-year, $7.7 million deal that included $5.4 million in guaranteed money and had the potential to pay him as much as $24.5 million if all incentives and escalators were met"

So, I guess GB was paying peanuts to Rodgers so they had no financial motive to get him in the game. Probably why they gave Favre so much leeway.

Rivers sitting was not affordable, the amount QBs get paid now, it is VERY affordable.