Cowboys looking at teams for RB trade?

[windjc]

Lamar Miller Highlights.

Would love him with a star on his helmet.

In those highlights he seems like a patient runner with very good vision. Similar to Murray but less punishing and a little better vision. Can he get the 3rd and 1?

His burst seems less than Randle and Miller runs surprisingly stiff imo. Has quick feet by not much wiggle at all. Randle has more wiggle.

 

[superonyx]

I own Jamal Charles and Knile Davis in dynasty. I am fully aware of what both offer when it comes to toting the rock.

My argument for him over Randle is simply a matter of volume. Randle seems like a good player, but here are his numbers when he carries the ball more than ten times a game:

11 for 17 yards
19 for 65 yards
14 for 26 yards
13 for 37 yards

My point: if you're projecting him as more than a skat back at this point you're kidding yourself. He could take over the starting role, but you don't do that expecting him to carry it 20+ times a game.

Knile has already had to carry the workload for the Chiefs in Charles's absence. He has 2 100 yard games and another another one with 80 yards and two touchdowns. Knile is also more in the mold of Murray. If you pair Knile with Randle as a 1-2 punch, you're talking about a solid foundation with the chance of expanding their ceiling. Their play complements each other well.

The game where he had 79 yards was with 22 carries (3.6 ypc). He has not been impressive. I am not saying the answer is Randle either.....What I am saying is that in order to give up a starting caliber OG like Leary I would want someone who is a little more productive than Knile Davis has been in the last 2 years.

Lamar Miller is more interesting because he has produced.

 

[Seanleebaby]

The game where he had 79 yards was with 22 carries (3.6 ypc). He has not been impressive. I am not saying the answer is Randle either.....What I am saying is that in order to give up a starting caliber OG like Leary I would want someone who is a little more productive than Knile Davis has been in the last 2 years.

Lamar Miller is more interesting because he has produced.

It's just obvious to me you haven't seen Davis play. Your basing your logic off YPC for a runningback that had a mediocre OL. He runs through people and can take it to daylight if he gets a crease. Alls I've heard from Cowboys fans is their OL can turn any running back into a probowler no matter what. It would work wonders for Davis.

I'd trade Ron Leary for anything of value I could btw. easily the weakest link on the Cowboys offense last year, and it's not because of the other players around him.

 

[superonyx]

Bernard definitely. Forgot about him. The rest are very questionable at this point.

You're gonna love the stats I pulled up on Randle if you like 9 carries for 11 yards btw.

They are not questionable at all. Ryan Matthews has had 2 1000 yard seasons and has been to the probowl.
Ingram.....probowl
Spiller....probowl..

These guys have produced in this league. Knile Davis is a 3rd round draft pick who had to fill in for a guy who gets 5.0 YPC every year and he put up a big 3.5 ypc.
You like him because of his size and 40 time. So far the guy seems to lack the vision needed to be a feature back...unless you like your feature backs giving you less than 4 YPC.....I don't.

 

[ConstantReboot]

In those highlights he seems like a patient runner with very good vision. Similar to Murray but less punishing and a little better vision. Can he get the 3rd and 1?

His burst seems less than Randle and Miller runs surprisingly stiff imo. Has quick feet by not much wiggle at all. Randle has more wiggle.

His burst is better than Randle's - he ran the fastest 40 time for runningbacks in his class (4.3) . He's certainly faster than Randle and has good vision. Agreed that Randle has more wiggle but Randle goes down easier. To me Randle is a good change of pace back. Miller can be our starter.

As for 3rd and 1 - no one in our current RB group can get those tough 3rd and 1 yards including Randle. So what difference does it make?

 

[superonyx]

It's just obvious to me you haven't seen Davis play. Your basing your logic off YPC for a runningback that had a mediocre OL. He runs through people and can take it to daylight if he gets a crease. Alls I've heard from Cowboys fans is their OL can turn any running back into a probowler no matter what. It would work wonders for Davis.

I'd trade Ron Leary for anything of value I could btw. easily the weakest link on the Cowboys offense last year, and it's not because of the other players around him.

So if the Chiefs have such a bad offensive line then why are they suddenly good when Jaamal Charles comes in the game?
Its not the offensive line. Look at what Charles has done with the same line.

I get the offensive line is huge to a running back....but he has no excuse for not getting at least 4 ypc behind that line.

 

[Seanleebaby]

They are not questionable at all. Ryan Matthews has had 2 1000 yard seasons and has been to the probowl.
Ingram.....probowl
Spiller....probowl..

These guys have produced in this league. Knile Davis is a 3rd round draft pick who had to fill in for a guy who gets 5.0 YPC every year and he put up a big 3.5 ypc.
You like him because of his size and 40 time. So far the guy seems to lack the vision needed to be a feature back...unless you like your feature backs giving you less than 4 YPC.....I don't.

You're gonna compare Davis to a RB who is closer to a 6.0 YPC back than 5? Jamaal is truely special.

Here is a highlight video for you to watch. He even contributes on ST as a KR. More value than Randle all the way

 

[Seanleebaby]

So if the Chiefs have such a bad offensive line then why are they suddenly good when Jaamal Charles comes in the game?
Its not the offensive line. Look at what Charles has done with the same line.

I get the offensive line is huge to a running back....but he has no excuse for not getting at least 4 ypc behind that line.

Like I said, Jamaal Charles is a special back. No one runs like he does. And like I also said, stats don't always tell the story. Knile Davis is one of those players supposedly.

Does having a a couple great OL blinded Cowboys fans? Are you really trying to tell me Jamaal Charles is great because of the Chiefs OL? Jeez.

You're also talking about an offense with Alex smith at QB and a WR corp that didn't get a TD last year. I'd say Jamal is pretty special having to run through 8-9 in the box most of the time.

 

[windjc]

His burst is better than Randle's - he ran the fastest 40 time for runningbacks in his class (4.3) . He's certainly faster than Randle and has good vision. Agreed that Randle has more wiggle but Randle goes down easier. To me Randle is a good change of pace back. Miller can be our starter.

As for 3rd and 1 - no one in our current RB group can get those tough 3rd and 1 yards including Randle. So what difference does it make?

We need a back that can get down and distance and punch it into the end zone.

And by burst I don't mean top end. I mean initial 5 yard. Randles looks better.

 

[ConstantReboot]

We need a back that can get down and distance and punch it into the end zone.

And by burst I don't mean top end. I mean initial 5 yard. Randles looks better.

Randle looks better because of our oline. He's nothing more than a good change of pace back with some wiggle.

Lamar Miller was productive with a bad oline. Plus he's a tougher runner to bring down than Randle.

Nothing wrong with bringing in Miller or any of the backs that are available out there. What we have now is not feasible to make a Superbowl run. I believe the FO feels the same way.

 

[dallasdave]

His burst is better than Randle's - he ran the fastest 40 time for runningbacks in his class (4.3) . He's certainly faster than Randle and has good vision. Agreed that Randle has more wiggle but Randle goes down easier. To me Randle is a good change of pace back. Miller can be our starter.

As for 3rd and 1 - no one in our current RB group can get those tough 3rd and 1 yards including Randle. So what difference does it make?

Sounds like a good addition to our stable of RB's. Like that speed !!!

 

[dallasdave]

Here's why I'm leery of trading Leary: Doug Free.

It would be a nightmare if Collins takes over for Leary, we trade Leary, and then Free gets hurt again and all of a sudden we are depending on Chaz Green. Right now, Leary is a luxury, but he's an incredibly cheap insurance plan. That's valuable. I would only trade him for the likes of AD or Lamar Miller. No way do I trade him for a guy who may or may not beat out Joseph Randle.

That is a good point Free is injury prone.

 

[superonyx]

Like I said, Jamaal Charles is a special back. No one runs like he does. And like I also said, stats don't always tell the story. Knile Davis is one of those players supposedly.

Does having a a couple great OL blinded Cowboys fans? Are you really trying to tell me Jamaal Charles is great because of the Chiefs OL? Jeez.

You're also talking about an offense with Alex smith at QB and a WR corp that didn't get a TD last year. I'd say Jamal is pretty special having to run through 8-9 in the box most of the time.

Jamal Charles is awesome....it's not about Charles. It's about the fact that Kniles Davis comes in for Charles and can't put up any more than 3.5 ypc. You say I am looking at stats...well stats shows production. I realize they don't tell the entire story. However they do tell a story. I see absolutely nothing that makes Kniles Davis exciting. Charles is really good. Kniles Davis is a little below average.

Lamar Miller had over 5 ypc last season. That's more what we are looking for. Otherwise the guy can just get in line with McFadden, Randle and Ryan Williams.

 

[superonyx]

You're gonna compare Davis to a RB who is closer to a 6.0 YPC back than 5? Jamaal is truely special.

Here is a highlight video for you to watch. He even contributes on ST as a KR. More value than Randle all the way

I'm comparing him to the guy he replaced. What better to compare to than the player who ran behind the same offensive line with the same playbook.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I own Jamal Charles and Knile Davis in dynasty. I am fully aware of what both offer when it comes to toting the rock.

My argument for him over Randle is simply a matter of volume. Randle seems like a good player, but here are his numbers when he carries the ball more than ten times a game:

11 for 17 yards
19 for 65 yards
14 for 26 yards
13 for 37 yards

My point: if you're projecting him as more than a skat back at this point you're kidding yourself. He could take over the starting role, but you don't do that expecting him to carry it 20+ times a game.

Knile has already had to carry the workload for the Chiefs in Charles's absence. He has 2 100 yard games and another another one with 80 yards and two touchdowns. Knile is also more in the mold of Murray. If you pair Knile with Randle as a 1-2 punch, you're talking about a solid foundation with the chance of expanding their ceiling. Their play complements each other well.

Good post. Been saying it all along that Randle is nothing more than a good change of pace back. I don't think that he is worthy of being our starting back. He just goes down way to easy and needs big holes for him to get out on space. He has good wiggle but is certainly not a work horse.

I'd take Miller first and then Knile Davis. Then any of the free agents out there such as CJ, Moreno, Jackson. I don't like what we got in the lineup so far and I know if were going to make a superbowl run, we can do better than that.

 

[BoysWin]

On DC.com today Dennis & Broaddus discussed the RB situation and their perceived need for a "Bellcow" RB for this year's season. Dennis listed several teams: (Miami, New Orleans, Kansas City, etc.) where the Boy's might be willing to trade Leary for a second RB on a team needing a starting offensive lineman. I will let you speculate on the names involved but Broaddus did disclose that the team is developing a scenario for later this summer which would make a trade to get a DeMarco type runner. He said there are lots of internal discussions about which player would make most sense and fits their need profile.

None of the choices were AP...

I say RON LEARY for MICHAEL BROCKERS, only - and its a deal!

 

[erod]

So we are going to cherry pick which runs to throw out to make McFadden look better?

Sorry bro, but all plays count in the NFL..............and even if we played your game of cherry picking runs to throw out for McFadden's teammates, Latavius Murray still has a 3.8 average which is higher than your boy's 3.3 last time I checked.

The point is, all Oakland running backs have been awful for a long time.

Charles Woodson was a nobody until he got out of there and went to Green Bay. Randy Moss disappeared there, then dominated again in New England.

It's like being drafted by a D-II college team.

 

[SouthernOregonStud]

So just my two cents. Ok let's state the obvious, our Cowboy's Team had a great season last year, no doubt. It's just MHO but I think our scouting staff all the way up to the Jones's (Stephen & Jerry) have done a superb job on "Paper" as we look at the Draft & the UDFA pickups combined! This gave us "Arguably" the best overall grade! I think we have some very strong, athletic young D-Lineman that gained some real valuable post-season experience guys like Jeremy Mincey, DeMarcus Lawrence & Tyrone Crawford just to name a few that could have significantly improved seasons this year! Now, add to that some great additions in Hardy, our 60th pick, Randy Gregory, who has 1st round caliber talent, one of the best DE's in the draft! Now looking at what we got VS what we needed on Defense, was 1st a top tier "Pass Rush" I think they could NOT have done a better job (Again On Paper) addressing the D-Line! They've done an Ok job with the Secondary & it very well could turn out great with our First Round Pick adding Byron Jones. The bonus of course was La'el Collins, we all know, how Awesome that signing was! It was like having our cake & eating it to! That brings us to what I believe is the last area that needs to be addressed & it ties in to the "Topic" of this thread!

Our Running Back Corps is again IMHO not sufficient for this team. There is far to much, unknowns, doubts & histories on each of our 4 current Running Backs! There is clearly not an every down, "Workhouse", type back among the 4 we have. Do I know this for a fact? No, of course not & since we can only make moves to help solidify the run game & hope that whatever move we make gives us the best chance for success, which I hope happens sooner rather than later! I'm worried if we give these four a go & find out that a "RBBC" is not working out, then we start seeing an increase in the pass game that could turn a 50/50 game plan for runs & passes gradually into a 70/30 split with heavy passing, something that just can't happen. If it turns out that way & the four we have just don't cut it, well, by that time ANY RB we try to trade for will be hugely one sided because we didn't make a move for a capable, strong, fast, primary back now like we should! We need a back who's responsible for at least 75%-85% of the carries. We have a Window for this team, I'd say @BEST it's a five year window & unless we get very lucky & stumble upon Romo's replacement, then we really are looking at making sure we address every area & make our run, over the next few seasons!

The time is NOW. We don't need to go crazy & trade away a bunch of picks NOR should we trade away depth at OL. I do believe there is a trade to be had, maybe a couple picks, like mid to late round draft picks, say a 3rd or 5th round pick(s), with our depth in compensatory picks, we have some room to trade a 3rd round pick or 5th knowing we have the compensatory picks to fall back on! These are possibilities to go out & get the proven back we need, yes I said need. Our O-Line seriously has the chance to be the best ever assembled so we owe them a competitive Running Back! Without one, a RB, with a dependable skill set, that can run every down if necessary, that's quick, elusive & strong! I also truly believe the Cowboy's are trying (Behind the scenes) to put a trade package together that Minnesota will take, so we can talk to AP, from there since AP already told Minnesota he wants more "guaranteed money", something his current contract has none left. A perfect situation, to restructure his deal so that we don't take on his massive contract! Yes, I know there are other backs being discussed & that too is tremendous because I'm all for us getting that Workhorse Back & although I've read the possibilities of say Miller in Miami to even Forte' I'd be more comfortable with several besides Forte'! In the end I think all those rumors about the 4 or so candidates are nothing more than window dressings while a "Deal" if there will be one, is being made that ultimately brings AP here. I believe it's being hashed out, one our team can live with, AP can be happy about as he throws all he has for what I believe will be his last contract & one our fan base can rally around! Bottom line if I had a choice between losing Dunbar & gaining AP, for instance, I believe gaining AP gives us the last piece & the best chance of gaining several deep playoff runs & IMHO multiple Super Bowls & potentially winning most, if not all of them! Ok long winded & probably inflammatory to some, perhaps many, but I don't think many of you are happy with our current four RB's & a plan that is mere speculation if there even is a plan & day by day it looks like a "RBBC" something I hope & pray we are not seriously going with! So, Jerry, Stephen, pull the trigger & bring in a Workhorse RB even if it's not AP! However, you know he's my first choice! We're anxiously waiting!

GO COWBOYS!

 

[Beast_from_East]

So just my two cents. Ok let's state the obvious, our Cowboy's Team had a great season last year, no doubt. It's just MHO but I think our scouting staff all the way up to the Jones's (Stephen & Jerry) have done a superb job on "Paper" as we look at the Draft & the UDFA pickups combined! This gave us "Arguably" the best overall grade! I think we have some very strong, athletic young D-Lineman that gained some real valuable post-season experience guys like Jeremy Mincey, DeMarcus Lawrence & Tyrone Crawford just to name a few that could have significantly improved seasons this year! Now, add to that some great additions in Hardy, our 60th pick, Randy Gregory, who has 1st round caliber talent, one of the best DE's in the draft! Now looking at what we got VS what we needed on Defense, was 1st a top tier "Pass Rush" I think they could NOT have done a better job (Again On Paper) addressing the D-Line! They've done an Ok job with the Secondary & it very well could turn out great with our First Round Pick adding Byron Jones. The bonus of course was La'el Collins, we all know, how Awesome that signing was! It was like having our cake & eating it to! That brings us to what I believe is the last area that needs to be addressed & it ties in to the "Topic" of this thread!

Our Running Back Corps is again IMHO not sufficient for this team. There is far to much, unknowns, doubts & histories on each of our 4 current Running Backs! There is clearly not an every down, "Workhouse", type back among the 4 we have. Do I know this for a fact? No, of course not & since we can only make moves to help solidify the run game & hope that whatever move we make gives us the best chance for success, which I hope happens sooner rather than later! I'm worried if we give these four a go & find out that a "RBBC" is not working out, then we start seeing an increase in the pass game that could turn a 50/50 game plan for runs & passes gradually into a 70/30 split with heavy passing, something that just can't happen. If it turns out that way & the four we have just don't cut it, well, by that time ANY RB we try to trade for will be hugely one sided because we didn't make a move for a capable, strong, fast, primary back now like we should! We need a back who's responsible for at least 75%-85% of the carries. We have a Window for this team, I'd say @BEST it's a five year window & unless we get very lucky & stumble upon Romo's replacement, then we really are looking at making sure we address every area & make our run, over the next few seasons!

The time is NOW. We don't need to go crazy & trade away a bunch of picks NOR should we trade away depth at OL. I do believe there is a trade to be had, maybe a couple picks, like mid to late round draft picks, say a 3rd or 5th round pick(s), with our depth in compensatory picks, we have some room to trade a 3rd round pick or 5th knowing we have the compensatory picks to fall back on! These are possibilities to go out & get the proven back we need, yes I said need. Our O-Line seriously has the chance to be the best ever assembled so we owe them a competitive Running Back! Without one, a RB, with a dependable skill set, that can run every down if necessary, that's quick, elusive & strong! I also truly believe the Cowboy's are trying (Behind the scenes) to put a trade package together that Minnesota will take, so we can talk to AP, from there since AP already told Minnesota he wants more "guaranteed money", something his current contract has none left. A perfect situation, to restructure his deal so that we don't take on his massive contract! Yes, I know there are other backs being discussed & that too is tremendous because I'm all for us getting that Workhorse Back & although I've read the possibilities of say Miller in Miami to even Forte' I'd be more comfortable with several besides Forte'! In the end I think all those rumors about the 4 or so candidates are nothing more than window dressings while a "Deal" if there will be one, is being made that ultimately brings AP here. I believe it's being hashed out, one our team can live with, AP can be happy about as he throws all he has for what I believe will be his last contract & one our fan base can rally around! Bottom line if I had a choice between losing Dunbar & gaining AP, for instance, I believe gaining AP gives us the last piece & the best chance of gaining several deep playoff runs & IMHO multiple Super Bowls & potentially winning most, if not all of them! Ok long winded & probably inflammatory to some, perhaps many, but I don't think many of you are happy with our current four RB's & a plan that is mere speculation if there even is a plan & day by day it looks like a "RBBC" something I hope & pray we are not seriously going with! So, Jerry, Stephen, pull the trigger & bring in a Workhorse RB even if it's not AP! However, you know he's my first choice! We're anxiously waiting!

GO COWBOYS!

Nice post bro......................I agree with pretty much everything you said...............we need a bellcow running back and he aint on the roster.

You don't replace the NFL Offensive Player of the Year with McFadden and call it a day.............another RB will be added to the roster and he will get the majority of the carries this season. As to whom that player is, I will let others speculate.

 

[Silver N Blue]

Nice post bro......................I agree with pretty much everything you said...............we need a bellcow running back and he aint on the roster.

You don't replace the NFL Offensive Player of the Year with McFadden and call it a day.............another RB will be added to the roster and he will get the majority of the carries this season. As to whom that player is, I will let others speculate.

Been saying for over a year he wears a jersey with a number between 27 and 29. He will be here. If JJ built it he will come.