Cowboys need a QB that fits Garrett's offense

[Stash]

so building counts for nothing ,thats good

When you go 4-12, what exactly are you "building"?

the names come later during the season stay tuned

What names? Whose names? You're not making things any clearer?

 

[waving monkey]

There are fans who can not understand that building and winning are not necessarily
mutually inclusive.Red's turn at the wheel resulted in 3 seasons of 8/8. While dumping dead
contracts and old bodies. Digging us out of a cap hole and then getting to the 12/4 season.
Some fans will not accept the complete turn over of roster other then [Romo,Witten]
and not be competing for the play offs under those conditions. OK I get it,you just want to have
fun

And lastly [Im going to bed] there's nothing new. It's the same old dead horse we have pulverized.
You dont like Red where as I like him and think his taken some of us to the promise land.
You and others like you however don't get to go,You'd find fault. That's what keeps you at the gate.
But I and a few others will tell you and yours how good it feels and what a great game it was.
But your not allowed in the wagon

 

[Alexander]

While dumping dead
contracts and old bodies.

This is part of what is everyday business in the NFL. We got used to hanging onto dead contracts for so long, this was viewed as positive change.

We simply did what we were supposed to do all along and it is now viewed as some sort of miracle job by Garrett.

 

[Stash]

There are fans who can not understand that building and winning are not necessarily mutually inclusive

Nonsense! Total, complete, and utter nonsense! If you're not winning, you're not 'building" anything, except for a mountain of excuses. And this is just the sort of sheepish mentality that billionaires like Jerry Jones can count on. Take what you're given, and ask for nothing. Just open up your wallet and hand over the cash.

Red's turn at the wheel resulted in 3 seasons of 8/8. While dumping dead
contracts and old bodies. Digging us out of a cap hole and then getting to the 12/4 season.

And yet another woeful attempt at revisionist history! Your buddy "Red" inherited a stocked team, loaded with Pro Bowl talent that went 11-5 just one year earlier. Save the 'cupboard was bare' jibberish for someone who doesn't know the truth! And there was no 'cap hole' either, but you keep on spewing those lies too.

Some fans will not accept the complete turn over of roster other then [Romo,Witten]
and not be competing for the play offs under those conditions. OK I get it,you just want to have
fun

Yep. Because it's not true and just another excuse made by the sheep for why this organization can't win anymore.

And lastly [Im going to bed] there's nothing new. It's the same old dead horse we have pulverized.
You dont like Red where as I like him and think his taken some of us to the promise land.
You and others like you however don't get to go,You'd find fault. That's what keeps you at the gate.
But I and a few others will tell you and yours how good it feels and what a great game it was.
But your not allowed in the wagon

Newsflash! Any "wagon" that would require me to believe such complete, total, and utter nonsense is one I want no part of anyway. I have far too much intelligence than to shut my brain off and blindly follow what this underachieving organization tells me or to make up lame excuses for people who can't do the job they were hired for.

Just endorse your paycheck to Jerry Jones each week and be done with it. Then you'll be completely free of that burden of thinking once and for all.

 

[Satchel89]

They should draft the best Quarterback that's available at whatever round they are taking one. If the guy is good it doesn't matter what kind of offense they are running.

 

[Stash]

This is part of what is everyday business in the NFL. We got used to hanging onto dead contracts for so long, this was viewed as positive change.

We simply did what we were supposed to do all along and it is now viewed as some sort of miracle job by Garrett.

Oh and the cupboard was bare too, didn't you know? Despite having nine Pro Bowlers in 2009, poor Garrett had nothing to work with.

 

[big dog cowboy]

When you go 4-12, what exactly are you "building"?

One doesn't have anything to do with the other. We know what happened last year.

 

[Stash]

One doesn't have anything to do with the other. We know what happened last year.

Would you mind elaborating on that? I want to be sure you're not trying to give everyone a mulligan due to injuries.

 

[Nightman]

Nonsense! Total, complete, and utter nonsense! If you're not winning, you're not 'building" anything, except for a mountain of excuses. And this is just the sort of sheepish mentality that billionaires like Jerry Jones can count on. Take what you're given, and ask for nothing. Just open up your wallet and hand over the cash.



And yet another woeful attempt at revisionist history! Your buddy "Red" inherited a stocked team, loaded with Pro Bowl talent that went 11-5 just one year earlier. Save the 'cupboard was bare' jibberish for someone who doesn't know the truth! And there was no 'cap hole' either, but you keep on spewing those lies too.



Yep. Because it's not true and just another excuse made by the sheep for why this organization can't win anymore.



Newsflash! Any "wagon" that would require me to believe such complete, total, and utter nonsense is one I want no part of anyway. I have far too much intelligence than to shut my brain off and blindly follow what this underachieving organization tells me or to make up lame excuses for people who can't do the job they were hired for.

Just endorse your paycheck to Jerry Jones each week and be done with it. Then you'll be completely free of that burden of thinking once and for all.

Amen.....it doesn't take 5+ years to rebuild in this league....it takes 2-3 if you really start with nothing....DAL had a Franchise QB with multiple ProBowlers and some young stars.....JG is stuck in the 90s with a 70s coaching style......"100% of the guys doing the right thing 99% of the time or 99% of the guys doing the right thing 100%" is so coach-speak mumbo jumbo it is almost laughable....the Process, the RKGs, the one on one battles are platitudes that sounds like a great coach but there is no there there

 

[Stash]

Amen.....it doesn't take 5+ years to rebuild in this league....it takes 2-3 if you really start with nothing....DAL had a Franchise QB with multiple ProBowlers and some young stars.....JG is stuck in the 90s with a 70s coaching style......"100% of the guys doing the right thing 99% of the time or 99% of the guys doing the right thing 100%" is so coach-speak mumbo jumbo it is almost laughable....the Process, the RKGs, the one on one battles are platitudes that sounds like a great coach but there is no there there

In this era of free agency, you simply can't take that long. It can't happen. Even if you build a talented roster, you can't possibly hold it all together indefinitely with a hard cap.

Garrett is a lot of smoke and mirrors with rah-rah speeches and quotes from better coaches. But when it comes down to substance, and the actions of actually having your players better prepared and out scheming your rival, he's a failure.

And it has occurred to me that I can never recall a similar example of an owner's vanity project at the head coaching position. A guy he so desperately envisioned as being successful that he hired him, promoted him, and kept him despite several years of evidence showing it to not be what he had hoped for. I can't think of another example anyway.

 

[KJJ]

They won for the most part because they had a backup who could win and/or a very good defense as in Denver. There's more than that but that's the most of it.

Those teams won games because they have systems that allow them to successfully incorporate other QBs and they're all much better coached teams. One of the strongest indicators of whether a team is well coached is when they face adversity and injuries. They're able to hang in and win games despite losing their QBs and other key players because of other players stepping up and great coaching. Parcells turned a Cowboys team that went 5-11 three straight years into a 10-6 playoff team in one season. He won a SB in 1990 after losing his starter with a backup QB. The Cowboys went 1-10 with a couple of veteran QBs who won over 35 games between them in the NFL. Belichick went 11-5 with Cassel in 08 when he was still an inexperienced QB.

Brandon Weeden who we cut was able to catch on with Houston in mid stream and help them to a couple of important wins that had playoff implications after they lost their starter. In the Texans 34-6 win over Tenn Weeden had a couple of TD's and a passer rating of 116.7.They allowed him to go out and make some plays while the Cowboys kept him restricted in their play not to lose offense.

They made the decision to bring him back for 2015 and despite all the work with the team he wasn't able to be successful due to the system and the coaching. One of the worst games the Cowboys played in 2015 was vs Carolina with Romo at QB. Until serious changes are made even a healthy Cowboy team is going to be hovering around 500. Romo had a losing record from 2010 to 2013 because of issues with the team that extend way beyond the play on the field.

 

[Alexander]

And it has occurred to me that I can never recall a similar example of an owner's vanity project at the head coaching position. A guy he so desperately envisioned as being successful that he hired him, promoted him, and kept him despite several years of evidence showing it to not be what he had hoped for. I can't think of another example anyway.

I can think of one.

 

[Nightman]

at least he turned on him just as fast

 

[CATCH17]

In this era of free agency, you simply can't take that long. It can't happen. Even if you build a talented roster, you can't possibly hold it all together indefinitely with a hard cap.

Garrett is a lot of smoke and mirrors with rah-rah speeches and quotes from better coaches. But when it comes down to substance, and the actions of actually having your players better prepared and out scheming your rival, he's a failure.

And it has occurred to me that I can never recall a similar example of an owner's vanity project at the head coaching position. A guy he so desperately envisioned as being successful that he hired him, promoted him, and kept him despite several years of evidence showing it to not be what he had hoped for. I can't think of another example anyway.

Garrett is a bit of a con artist too though so I can't blame Jerry.. When I hear Garrett speak and say all the stuff he says I tend to buy in as well.

Sunday always comes around though and I see what's really going on. Even in victory he is bringing nothing to the table.

As long as he is here we will be forever processing im afraid and consistently being good will never happen with his 50/50 brand of football that he instills into the team.

 

[CowboyRoy]

So the best thing for Cowboys , is to Draft a QB who fits what JG likes to do on offense.

That is basically a pocket passer, someone with size, and who could take off and run

at times, but not on designed runs.



He could bkup tony, and even rest tony in 2nd half of season, so Tony is fit for the playoffs.

Play the bkup, against the weaker opponents.

Manziel and RG3 will not fit in JG's offense, neither one is a good pocket passer, and that is
what JG needs for the offense he likes to run.

To get good results with either of these 2 would require a whole new offense designed
for JF or RG, and that isnt going to happen here, and even if they tried, it would
not work out too good, probably about like when we try to run pick plays.

Now I have heard it all.

 

[jobberone]

Nothing mixed about it. Ever since he left, a number of posters have done nothing but minimize his accomplishments and insist that since he struggled in Philadelphia and that what he did for Dallas was easily replaceable. Teams respected the run last season and it loosened up the pass game. It was a big reason we controlled football games.

Teams loaded up on the run in 2015 because they knew we could not pass effectively. Even still we ran the ball as well as 2014 despite teams knowing it was coming. That is actually very remarkable.

They also played the shorter passes. We had very little offense last year and that's why we lost all those games. If you can't throw the ball esp at least the intermediate passes then you are doomed. Our offense in 2014 took what the defense gave them and they had to play our offense honestly. Why you can't understand this mystifies me.

You do realize that those three players were responsible for the bulk of the turnovers, right? Carter himself had 5 INTs last season playing part time, which is more than our entire highly paid cornerback group mustered on its own this season. So, like it or not, it was not the same team. Chemistry matters and the Cowboys quite simply did not replace those players who did make plays. Things were supposed to be just dominating with Lee/McClain plus Hardy. Well, it just simply was not.

Three times a bit above nothing is still just a bit. You do realize that right. The lack of turnovers by the defense was systemic not local. We averaged 0.7 takeaways per game. The league average was 1.4 or twice as many. Car had nearly 3 a game.

People speak in generalities and since you have no answer you deflect into the weeds. This is typical of you Alexander. The very fact you are pointing at three players of whom only one started for a bad team speaks volumes for your debating prowess. I suppose your argument is that dumbarse Jerry should have kept them. Or is it a poor answer is better than none?

And the very idea of you bemoaning the loss of Carter and Durant when you mocked them somehow makes irony seem an inadequate word.

 

[jobberone]

That's too bad, you ended up missing a really good post.

Well, drats!

 

[jobberone]

And after 5-plus years of 'the process', why can't we have that? Gary Kubiak - a favorite punching bag around these parts - is in the Super Bowl after his first year on the job in Denver!

Well, there you have it. Apples and oranges are the same.

 

[Stash]

Well, there you have it. Apples and oranges are the same.

It's always apples and oranges when it comes to the adopted son, isn't it? No set of circumstances quite compares to what he has to deal with...

 

[Alexander]

I suppose your argument is that dumbarse Jerry should have kept them. Or is it a poor answer is better than none?

No if you read back carefully and specifically, I said nothing of the kind.

I stated we did a poor job of replacing all three, that was the point that obviously flew over your head.

When the players who accounted for most of your defensive plays are free agents and allowed to leave and there is no plan to replace any of them? That is a distinct miss.

We took the same players that did not produce turnovers in 2014 and went back into the new year minus those that did.. And there was little to no attempt to replace. We just figured we were good.

As normal, our self-scouting abilities failed.