Cowboys ok if Lee/Hitchens ok

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I'm with you X. I'm 100 times more worried about the one tech spot than any other position. Price just doesn't cut it for me. He has size, but that's pretty much it. I really hope we address this spot. For years we've mishandled this area. When we were in 3-4 we used an undersized (IMO) Ratliff and then we couldn't let go of Heydon for whatever reason while Jernigan, McClain,and Harrisonfind their way onto an NFC East team.

Price looks OK going straight ahead but has some issues with angle blocks.

Marinelli's penetrating scheme puts DTs in a bad position at times because they're a little off balance trying to split the gaps and then get hit by a good run block. What made Paea good was his ability to stay balanced while trying to split gaps; although,when he was on another team Frederick did make him look silly a few times.
 

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People lock on the name and forget it isn't 2013 anymore.

Would have been a nice depth addition with a limited role, but Bowman isnt moving the needle

I think you are correct but I have not studied him myself. The reports I've seen indicate he is significantly limited.
 

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It's 100% a carryover from a big debate we had when he was drafted and Risen et al. insisted the guy couldn't play and was garbage before he ever stepped foot on the field. As it turns out the guy could actually play, and then that he applied himself and got better and better as he worked at it until be became first a starter, and then one of our better defensive starters the only option was to pretend he's getting overrated. When the reality is he's just a very solid, very versatile dude with his head on right who will play through injury if you let him.

I agree that he'd start on 2/3rds of the teams out there, too.
JFC you guys will spin anything...

Hitchens is a good backup because of his versatility. Saying he would start for 2/3rd of NFL teams takes away any shred of credibility you have and puts you in the homer camp.
 

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I think you are correct but I have not studied him myself. The reports I've seen indicate he is significantly limited.
From what I have heard he is still a quality down hill thumper.

Would be limited in this defense, but would help out in a small role. I think he would have had little to no bearing on how much Hitchens plays. Bowman would never be our MLB
 

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JFC you guys will spin anything...

Hitchens is a good backup because of his versatility. Saying he would start for 2/3rd of NFL teams takes away any shred of credibility you have and puts you in the homer camp.

Nonsense. You need to look around the league to see who's starting at LB for some of the teams. Hitchens is a legit starter. And he's going to get a solid deal in the offseason that proves it.
 

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I'm with you on all of this. Will be interesting to see what they might get out of a Irving/Collins pairing at DT on run downs. If it's at all stable, it gives us a lot of flexibility on rush downs.

I'd give Swaim some of Hanna's offensive snaps. He might be a better target in the passing game right now.

And Butler definitely needs more snaps at WR, given the connection he seems to have with Dak. Time to stop playing around on offense. We need big plays.

I'd also like to see Switzer get some more offensive snaps if Elliott is out. Maybe in the hurry-up if we can get the right defensive personnel out there on the field.

The Cowboys commitment to Dez and Witten makes things more difficult.

I would be interested to see this lineup a few times:
Beasley
Butler
TWill
Switzer
 

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From what I have heard he is still a quality down hill thumper.

Would be limited in this defense, but would help out in a small role. I think he would have had little to no bearing on how much Hitchens plays. Bowman would never be our MLB

He would be a huge improvement over Jaylon, but getting Lee and Hitchens on the field will also be a huge improvement over Jaylon.
 

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if we get Lee and Hitchens healthy enough to play it will be huge
Hitchens is good enough to make plays, Lee is the brain. he tells the defense what will happen and you have to be good enough to execute your assignment

Hitchens IS a player that will thump but he does not have Lees elite football iq and communication skill

i do agree linebacker should be ok as long as Lee and Hitchens or Durant are healthy
1 tech is still going to hurt, i wonder if we see Collins slide and Irving play more 3 tech till they figure it out
until we get elite safety play the defense will suffer
maybe Woods can keep taking it to new levels with experience or maybe they have to draft a legit pro bowl caliber safety

people blaming Marinelli

Dallas isnt running some 30 year old tampa 2 system that is antiquated

they run pretty much the same as Seattle
and YOU KNOW that works

so i read Marinelli is great with 3 hof players hehehe
well yeah

but so is Seattle

Seattle has a top 3 safety in Earl
another elite strong safety in Chancellor
a top 5? DE in Bennett
top 3 linebacker in Wagner plus elite help around him like KJ Wright
did i mention the corner who can shut down 1 side of the field in Sherman?

whats your point dude? Marinelli is garbage Seattle is great!

my point is we have maybe 2 very good DE
we have 1 elite linebacker
we may have something in Lewis, maybe others as well like Chido and Woods plus healthy Scandrick always played well from slot

with these guys Seattle would not be elite
neither would Denver

we have some pieces but not enough

so i think blame the FO and scouts not Marinelli

we missed on Gregory
Taco isnt there
Collins isnt playing like Sapp as we know, but that was the hope Marinelli had you can bet
with Gregory the pass rush could be unstoppable but hes a headcase unfortunately
Claiborne was supposed to be Sherman like in his ability to cover a #1 receiver
that was a huge miss
they desperately need that Bobby Wagner 4.4 speed to run and kill anything outside
so Jaylon was a big calculated risk in that building of the defense
sadly another miss so far
i personally have hope. i dont bash the players, but sometimes a bad play sure. of course

we still need the elite safety
i think 1 tech is not nearly as important or say difficult to find
the others yeah
but dont blame Marinelli.

people say his scheme is to simple and old and thats why teams easily run up and down
but it isnt the coach. thats why even a rookie QB is having success against it
he isnt figure it out! hes just going with the play and guys are either not good enough or fail to execute their job.

a guy once said this
“We play man-to-man or Cover-3 — not much more than that. It’s not a secret.”

that guy was Kam Chancellor

but Dallas doesnt have the pieces for Marinelli


one more quote
Because of Marinelli’s lineage, and Kiffin’s time as the defensive chief, many assume that the Cowboys now major in the same Cover 2 that those Tampa Bay teams did 20 years ago.

The truth however, is that Dallas plays much more single high coverage, both man and zone, than Cover 2. In fact, the Cowboys spend approximately 70 percent of the time in single high coverage, and play Cover 2 only situationally, primarily in the red zone and in two-minute situations.

When Kiffin and Marinelli took over the Cowboys defense in 2013, Kiffin stated that for an example of what the defense would look like schematically, fans should look to Seattle.
 

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Be fair, now. He started at 'garbage' before he was ever 'serviceable.'

And the reaction to him and his skill set is very dubious on this board for that very reason.

People are way too enthused to rush to his defense.

If anyone took a look at his play, in games that count, he is pretty ordinary.

Not bad, not good. Just there.
 

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And the reaction to him and his skill set is very dubious on this board for that very reason.

People are way too enthused to rush to his defense.

If anyone took a look at his play, in games that count, he is pretty ordinary.

Not bad, not good. Just there.

Lol. "Not bad" is a major upgrade from where you guys had him coming in without ever seeing him play at this level. I'll take it.
 

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Lol. "Not bad" is a major upgrade from where you guys had him coming in without ever seeing him play at this level. I'll take it.

"You guys".

That basically tells me all I need to know.

You are a gallant knight defending the fair maiden Hitchens' honor.

That is fine. It is what you do.
 

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He has gone from "serviceable" to now a top notch quality starter that makes everything alright.

Yep. Remember when Selvie was considered Ware like?? Lol.

When you're out of options, the players you have get glorified!

By the way, is JG stall waiting for Bowman to show up for dinner tonight at the local Frisco Chilis??
 

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"You guys".

That basically tells me all I need to know.

You are a gallant knight defending the fair maiden Hitchens' honor.

That is fine. It is what you do.

Lol. That seem like the most plausible way to complete your backtrack? Knock yourself out.
 

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Yep. Remember when Selvie was considered Ware like?? Lol.

When you're out of options, the players you have get glorified!

That is part of the real issue.

Players like Anthony Hitchens are all over the NFL.

Good players that can make a solid six year career.

Yet somehow, our talent position is so awful right now, he is viewed as some vital cog.

He has never been so before, yet he is now, for reasons that defy logic and what he has actually been able to produce.
 

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And the reaction to him and his skill set is very dubious on this board for that very reason.

People are way too enthused to rush to his defense.

If anyone took a look at his play, in games that count, he is pretty ordinary.

Not bad, not good. Just there.
every defense has to have those guys though
hes ok as long as he can lean on Lees calling the play
it is what is
if he were elite be would looking at elite money

edit
and im saying hes above average
but lacks the elite iq imo
 

Alexander

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every defense has to have those guys though
hes ok as long as he can lean on Lees calling the play
it is what is
if he were elite be would looking at elite money
Yes, I get it.

Every team needs the "glue guys".

But when "glue guy" suddenly becomes a vital player through lack of alternatives, it becomes what it is, complete idiocy.

The fact we are sitting here and viewing Hitchens as some sort of savior is simply mindblowing to me.

And if the organization thinks the same way, well, it just makes me chuckle and fully understand why we have failed to win a handful of playoff games in over two decades.
 

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Yes, I get it.

Every team needs the "glue guys".

But when "glue guy" suddenly becomes a vital player, I can it as it is, complete idiocy.

The fact we are sitting here and viewing Hitchens as some sort of savior is simply mindblowing to me.

And if the organization thinks the same way, well, it just makes me chuckle and fully understand why we have failed to win a handful of playoff games in over two decades.
he is critical when they missed on Nezocha-sp lost Rolando lose Lee Jaylon isnt ready

to say that is unusual is funny
better than being some of the teams missing on qb or tackle
it goes around
not Dallas exclusive
 
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