Cowboys Pass Blocking

[Hennessy_King]

That’s not looking at the sack count. It’s looking at the sack percentage. Reading comprehension is necessary for big brain activity.

Sack % is based off amount of sacks. Cowboys currently are fairing well in both categories. They are getting the ball out quickly and relying on it. That is why philly looked so good they knew we werent commited to anything that took long to develop or anything +20yrds

 

[cnuball21]

Step up in the pocket!!!

That goes for Dak and Rush.

Dak holds on to the ball at times but the OL has to play better. If we get in a position where we need to throw the ball more in a game it’s going to be rough.

 

[cnuball21]

Yes, but you have to assess individual players to get there. You don’t have to assess individual players to see when the quarterback gets sacked. Point being, the extreme difference between these two sets of data raises questions. I’m not saying one is definitive and the other isn’t. I’m saying there’s a discrepancy that needs to be explored.

Sure, but again the stat posted is cumulative for the whole team. I’m sure their is an individual element to it to get there but it’s a team stat.

And it’s really, really bad.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Sure, but again the stat posted is cumulative for the whole team. I’m sure their is an individual element to it to get there but it’s a team stat.

And it’s really, really bad.

But not necessarily helpful or important. If you have a pass protection stat that has no bearing on how well the QB is protected, it’s meaningless.

 

[Kingofholland]

I don’t get it either. The Cowboys rank top ten in sacks allowed percentage.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/qb-sacked-pct

Yep, it's another strange way of quantifying ol/dl stats. I feel like Madden is much better at this with the number of pancake blocks, lol.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/

 

[cnuball21]

But not necessarily helpful or important. If you have a pass protection stat that has no bearing on how well the QB is protected, it’s meaningless.

I’d disagree. The percentage reflects how often in pass protection an opposing rusher beats someone on our OL in less than 2.5 seconds…that’s usually going to lead to a negative play.

It’s not the end all be all but a good piece of the puzzle.

 

[aikemirv]

I don’t get it either. The Cowboys rank top ten in sacks allowed percentage.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/qb-sacked-pct

Yeah, somebody is making up stats . However, that list you provided... Did you see who was last?

Sunday should be a big day for Micah and company!!

 

[Cmac]

LOL.....the Excuses have started........... Bring over the China Wall and even then our offense will still stink it up against defenses with a pulse!!!

It was very shaky yessterday......Steele whiffed a few times, the interior got gashed a few times.......and we gonna call it an excuse?

 

[G2]

The O line needs consistency to perform and when you change QBs, it takes some time to adjust in game situations. Same with a QB being rusty. I'm not sure why there's an obsession with trying to compare Rush & Prescott, it's silly. There is none. Prescott can extend plays after going through his progressions and is also a threat on RPO plays. Rush hits the 1st read. Check out the All 22, WRs were not getting open until the 3rd quarter. Mix that with the changes on the O line plus Dak playing his best and it's simple to see. Until the trashers start pointing the finger at all of these pre-snap penalties I don't take them serious when they blame one guy.

 

[aikemirv]

You're looking at sacks only. Pass block win rate references sustaining blocks for a set time period - a loss could lead to a hurry, hit, pressure or sack (not sack only).

That does not cut the mustard. if they were that bad more sacks would be allowed. We don't have mobile QB's back there. This is manufactured nonsense.

 

[aikemirv]

Dak holds on to the ball at times but the OL has to play better. If we get in a position where we need to throw the ball more in a game it’s going to be rough.

Dak completed 76% of his passes and got sacked 2 times yesterday. I mean this is a nonsense stat. He was not getting pressure consistently and not getting sacked - Those are the facts!

 

[cnuball21]

That does not cut the mustard. if they were that bad more sacks would be allowed. We don't have mobile QB's back there. This is manufactured nonsense.

It’s not a sack stat…i’d recommend visiting the link and actually reading about it bc I don’t think you seem to understand it.

 

[thunderpimp91]

That does not cut the mustard. if they were that bad more sacks would be allowed. We don't have mobile QB's back there. This is manufactured nonsense.

Doesnt have anything to do with being a mobile QB, in fact I would argue you'll see more sacks with mobile qbs. Brady has never been a mobile QB, but he gets the ball out quick, feels pressure and moves in the pocket better than almost anyone.

Last year Brady had over 700 attempts and was only sacked 22 times. For comparison, Murray had 31 in 481 attempts, Lamar Jackson 38 sacks in 382 attempts. Justin Fields 36 sacks in just 159 attempts. Joe Burrow 51 sacks on 520 attempts.

Granted all these Oline and overall offense situations are vastly different but the guys who were sacked the most are some of the most mobile QBs in the league, and their biggest strengths are extending plays. Burrow was probably more so the number of long developing plays Cincinnati called, but Murray/Jackson/Fields are about as mobile of QBs as you can get and some of the most frequently sacked guys in the league.

It's just a matter of taking the bad with the good. These guys can all create big plays out of nothing, but the more time your oline needs to block the more important that pass block win rate is. Cooper Rush basically drove the bus for weeks by making a read and getting the ball out quick. When he struggled against Philly was when he got rattled and seemed a little more gun shy. In theory your oline could lose 100% of the time, but if your QB gets the ball out in 3 seconds or less every drop back he may never get sacked. Also your QB could get sacked every play, but if they take 4-5 seconds to get rid of the football your oline could technically have a 100% win rate.

 

[Cowboyny]

We’re currently 32nd in OL pass block win rate. 32nd. Our OTs got whooped yesterday and saw some easy wins so hopefully we can clean it up and Tyron can make a full recovery.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...aderboard-win-rate-rankings-top-players-teams

It's a concern, but keep in mind we are playing two young prospects at the position. All Hutchinson sacks were when he was isolated with no OL help. I think Dak also has to get rid of the football quicker, which Rush did well with that kept him generally clean throughout a game. Think it is wishful thinking that Tyron returns this season if not at all. This is going to be the group we live or die with.

 

[cnuball21]

It's a concern, but keep in mind we are playing two young prospects at the position. All Hutchinson sacks were when he was isolated with no OL help. I think Dak also has to get rid of the football quicker, which Rush did well with that kept him generally clean throughout a game. Think it is wishful thinking that Tyron returns this season if not at all. This is going to be the group we live or die with.

All accurate.

Fingers crossed on Tyron as I think kicking Tyler inside would at least help.

 

[cnuball21]

Doesnt have anything to do with being a mobile QB, in fact I would argue you'll see more sacks with mobile qbs. Brady has never been a mobile QB, but he gets the ball out quick, feels pressure and moves in the pocket better than almost anyone.

Last year Brady had over 700 attempts and was only sacked 22 times. For comparison, Murray had 31 in 481 attempts, Lamar Jackson 38 sacks in 382 attempts. Justin Fields 36 sacks in just 159 attempts. Joe Burrow 51 sacks on 520 attempts.

Granted all these Oline and overall offense situations are vastly different but the guys who were sacked the most are some of the most mobile QBs in the league, and their biggest strengths are extending plays. Burrow was probably more so the number of long developing plays Cincinnati called, but Murray/Jackson/Fields are about as mobile of QBs as you can get and some of the most frequently sacked guys in the league.

It's just a matter of taking the bad with the good. These guys can all create big plays out of nothing, but the more time your oline needs to block the more important that pass block win rate is. Cooper Rush basically drove the bus for weeks by making a read and getting the ball out quick. When he struggled against Philly was when he got rattled and seemed a little more gun shy. In theory your oline could lose 100% of the time, but if your QB gets the ball out in 3 seconds or less every drop back he may never get sacked. Also your QB could get sacked every play, but if they take 4-5 seconds to get rid of the football your oline could technically have a 100% win rate.

I agree to an extend, but on 3rd and 7/8+ when you need that extra split second to let the play develop it could be the difference of a clean pocket or a blown up play.

And of course you can get the ball out in 2 seconds every play but it’s going to require long drives that take some time and require zero mistakes. Explosive plays are huge because they take a lot of stress off the entire offense.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I agree to an extend, but on 3rd and 7/8+ when you need that extra split second to let the play develop it could be the difference of a clean pocket or a blown up play.

And of course you can get the ball out in 2 seconds every play but it’s going to require long drives that take some time and require zero mistakes. Explosive plays are huge because they take a lot of stress off the entire offense.

Yep, agree completely. And i'm not saying there is a right or wrong answer either. The Bengals made it to the super bowl last year by taking sacks in exchange for bulk plays. Not the way I want a team to play, but it worked.

My post was more so trying to lay it out there for the posted who said the data cant be right because the sack numbers are not there. I'm just trying to point out that the two aren't necessarily related.

 

[AsthmaField]

Detroit is professional football team coming off a bye. They have plenty of film on our line and attacked us. We adjusted and dominated the Lions in the second half.

Precisely. I’d also add that they are well coached and on the upswing.

People who wanted Dallas to just roll over them, didn’t really understand the situation, IMO.

 

[Cowboyny]

All accurate.

Fingers crossed on Tyron as I think kicking Tyler inside would at least help.

The hope is with more experience these Tackle continue to get better. Right now both are real good run blocking, but need to improve as pass protectors.

 

[cnuball21]

Yep, agree completely. And i'm not saying there is a right or wrong answer either. The Bengals made it to the super bowl last year by taking sacks in exchange for bulk plays. Not the way I want a team to play, but it worked.

My post was more so trying to lay it out there for the posted who said the data cant be right because the sack numbers are not there. I'm just trying to point out that the two aren't necessarily related.

Yea, I hear ya. Like I said it's not the end all be all as you can include it with other stats, but man, clearly not a good sign when your team is dead last.