RELEASED Cowboys Release DE Damontre Moore

[blindzebra]

They've said that neither the anthem thing nor the altercation was a factor. Strictly football related according to them.

Key word is according. There is noway that he was the 53rd best player on the roster, he wasn't even at the bottom of the DE list, Mayowa has been worse.

Kellen Moore is a coach, Stephen even said so, and he is now #3 and inactive. There is no reason to not cut him, hire him as an offensive assistant, and if all else fails you can always resign him, because it isn't like another team is going to sign him.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

- Carroll was an insurance player in case draft kids weren't ready. He became expendable as the youth looks good.

-Gach is just a journeyman JAG. Not paid anything really...so what. He's one notch above a camp body.

-Moore? We've got depth and don't need him. Neal is probably better.

- Paea was a low-risk, high upside deal. Oh well... Since he retired I don't think the Cowboys owe him anything more than pro-rated contract.

Team is headed in the right direction by avoiding throwing big money at has-been types.

I agree....all these free agents that were brought in were low tier guys. None of them even sniffs mid range. These days mid range is 4-6m per year.

 

[Stash]

Key word is according. There is noway that he was the 53rd best player on the roster, he wasn't even at the bottom of the DE list, Mayowa has been worse.

Kellen Moore is a coach, Stephen even said so, and he is now #3 and inactive. There is no reason to not cut him, hire him as an offensive assistant, and if all else fails you can always resign him, because it isn't like another team is going to sign him.

I hear ya! Certainly not disagreeing either. Sign me up for cutting Kellen Moore.

I was just relaying "official word".

I don't put any stock in it either.

 

[blindzebra]

Can't argue with that.

But I'll tell ya I kinda like Collins at the #1 and Irving at the #3.

We'll see how it plays out.

That being posted... I think they draft a DT early come April.

Our best DL would be Crawford at LDE, Irving at 3-tech, Collins at 1-tech and Lawrence at RDE.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

They've said that neither the anthem thing nor the altercation was a factor. Strictly football related according to them.

They're lying. No matter what they say, with Jones stance it was definitely a factor. Irving is different. He produces on the field. Moore had not.

 

[T-RO]

They would have lost one pick by keeping Carr, a fifth rounder or a 6th rounder for keeping Claiborne. And they'd have a starting cornerback.

-Claiborne got $5 mil. So we saved $ PLUS get a 4th or 5th round pick. And Lewis is better.

-Carr got 4 year $24 mil. That wasn't even an option for us. Ravens will regret that in a year or two, btw. Carr will fade just like Reevis and all the other aging corners.

Cowboys got younger and I suspect as the season moves along...they got better...in the secondary. All while loading up picks and stockpiling cap space.

 

[Sydla]

Jeffrey is a solid player. He's not a $10 million/year guy and it's showing.

He absolutely is a $10MM player. And the Eagles don't have to pay him beyond this year. Smart, shrewd signing that has helped with offense and their young QB.

 

[Sydla]

I guess the 40-10 SF beat down yesterday was just enough to keep the front office haters at bay for about 24 hours. Haters gonna hate.

I expected a lot of front office hate today for drafting Taco over ... wait for it ...wait for it ... TJ Watt (or insert whatever name drafted after him). I didn't expect so much vitriol over fringe, cheap FA signing cuts who, in truth , no one really misses. Some Poe-rueage (11 tackles - 7 solo, 4 assists and 0 sacks in 6 games for Atlanta). Yeah, I want to pay $8M/yr for that type of production.

Many defended the FA signings during FA season and during camp. I thought the signings were good at the time and Moore played well in preseason.

It was a poor FA class overall for all teams. But, seriously, was anyone really expecting Moore, Paea, Carroll, Blanton, etc. to carry the team? I laugh at those touting Claiborne and Carr. Miami with Moore at Qb lit up the Jets secondary. I watch redzone and didn't see the whole Jets-Mia game but I didn't see Claiborne making many plays. Carr looked all-world against Clev and Cinci to open the season. Not much since.

You wouldn't be paying a guy like Poe or Logan to stuff the stat sheet. What they are supposed to do is basically just eat up blocks and keep blockers off the LBs.

Both Poe and Logan are infinitely better than what we are going to trot out at the 1 tech the next 10 weeks.

 

[Sydla]

I think they are just awful against the run. We have been getting gashed with them.

I was going to break my TV if I saw Mayowa crash inside again and watch the TB run right through where he should have been.

 

[Sydla]

- Carroll was an insurance player in case draft kids weren't ready. He became expendable as the youth looks good.

-Gach is just a journeyman JAG. Not paid anything really...so what. He's one notch above a camp body.

-Moore? We've got depth and don't need him. Neal is probably better.

- Paea was a low-risk, high upside deal. Oh well... Since he retired I don't think the Cowboys owe him anything more than pro-rated contract.

Team is headed in the right direction by avoiding throwing big money at has-been types.

Great insurance policy on Carroll. You brought in a completely crap player to be your insurance policy in case the rookies weren't ready. He was such a good insurance policy that the team would rather play Woods out of position at CB instead of S and just cut Carroll.

It's simpler than that. He wasn't an insurance policy. They thought he could actually play. They chased him for two offseasons which tells you they thought they really could play. He couldn't.

And Paea wasn't "low risk" at all when the entire 1 tech position was based on an oft injured DT not getting injured. He actually was a pretty risk move and we've paid for it because teams have run pretty much on us (and no, it's not just because Smith was playing MLB, the DTs had been getting smashed).

 

[Sydla]

I didn't say that you did. Frankly it was pretty obvious all those FA signings were throw away players. By seasons end or sooner, the Cowboys will be a better team for the moves they made. Releasing the FA's they did won't change that in any way.

They'd probably be a better team right now if they hadn't signed the FAs they did and spent just a bit more and made smarter FA decisions.

 

[Sydla]

What are we complaining about here? We're not happy with how things turned out at DE this offseason? At CB?

Because we basically backed ourselves up at DE and CB in March, committed 100K to Moore, $2MM to Carroll, and replaced both effectively on the team before letting them go. Do we have issues at DE or CB I'm unaware of here?

Paea was an injury retirement, so where he came from or how much he cost is irrelevant. It'd have been worse if he were a more expensive player or cost a lot of capital to bring in in the first place.

What this is, is dissatisfaction with the 3 losses taking the form of complaints about how the team is built. That's a misdirection. The problem with the defense isn't the pittance we spent on Damontre or the whiff on Carroll. The problem with the defense is the whiffs on guys like Gregory, Jaylon Smith, Greg Hardy, Rolando McClain, Taco Charlton (so far), Awuzie (so far), Heath (so far), and the unnecessary missed availability of guys like Lawrence, Irving, and Scandrick for failing substance screenings. We're allocating less of the cap to defense, and we're whiffing at a higher rate than we did on offense. And when we had the chance to fix it last year, we spent the #4 overall and the #34 on, basically, a backup MLB who missed his first 16 games. It's not a mystery why our team isn't competitive with the very best teams in the league. We don't need to go looking under the bed for reasons that don't exist. Stay put, draft well, develop your players, and the approach we've got works. Signing guys like Micah Hyde isn't he answer. Not wasting a top 5 pick on a troubled running back and instead taking that impact defender at a position of need is the answer.

The problem is the fact they wasted money on guys like Carroll and Paea and probably could have used their money to make smarter, better FA decisions that would have helped the team.

That's the point. To say Hyde isn't the answer is silly. He's an infinitely better SS than Heath and a playmaker back there who would have made our secondary better right from the opening game. And he got paid a reasonable contract that the Cowboys easily could have afforded without any real future cap pain.

We do agree on the Elliott pick, however.

 

[waving monkey]

Except for Paea, every free agent signed was a part-time, stop gap player not intended to hold up progress of the youngsters, but intended as insurance. Carroll didn’t serve his purpose because of injury. By the time he was ready to return, he wasn’t needed. I applaud letting him go when they did, and I applaud the low cost of that insurance....too bad he was injured when we needed him most.

Moore was also insurance...then he was suspended. Then he didn’t produce. Then he was inactive, either for lack of effort in practice or some other reason. We need a kicker....goodbye. Blanton was a nobody safety signed to compete, and he couldn’t.

If you are complaining about these low-cost short term insurance policies that didn’t work out when we needed them in September, that’s not a front office mess, and the complaint seems silly to me. We have healthy, better players playing. It’s only a screw up if we are stuck with them as starters and they suck.

If you want to complain that we didn’t invest big money for big time starters who would change our defense for the next 2-3 years, that’s legit, even though that would mean our rookies would be getting less exposure.

No way we were going to cut Kellen Moore....that’s the dumbest argument of all. The youngster is now the backup, preparing each week. Someone has to run the scout team, someone with some knowledge. This will be Moore’s final season as we will likely have a QB on the practice squad next season.

Common sense . Thanks

 

[noshame]

This off-season may go down as one of the worst mishandling's in Front Office history. We did not do much at all to improve on a 13-3 team.

Improve?

 

[Sydla]

You are repeatedly omitting the biggest decision, which was what netted the 4 compensatory draft picks.

The only way we get those 4 picks...the only way we sweeten our cap situation...was to allow players to leave and stick to low-budget signings.

The four players we brought in? We are talking 3 thrift-shop signings and one trip to K-Mart. Those four didn't work out...it's no big deal.

LOL.

Are you really arguing that we shouldn't consider signing a solid mid-tier FAs like a Micah Hyde because we need to keep that 4th round compensatory pick?

I've heard it all now. Now we can't sign any decent FAs because we have to worry about the 4th and 5th round comp picks. We are actually better off signing drek from the bargain bin that rarely works out for us and then getting a 4th or 5th round comp pick.

Oy.

 

[Idgit]

...That's the point. To say Hyde isn't the answer is silly. He's an infinitely better SS than Heath and a playmaker back there who would have made our secondary better right from the opening game. And he got paid a reasonable contract that the Cowboys easily could have afforded without any real future cap pain.

We do agree on the Elliott pick, however.

Then it's a bad point. Hyde was a $14MM guarantee on a guy you expect to be a mid-level SS for the next 5-6 years. He gets you ~65 tackles and 4 picks or so, but you pay a premium for him, and you move away from developing a guy behind him since you had to commit to more than the length of a rookie contract to get him to sign. Heath's a guy you get with a ~$2MM commitment, and he either pans out for you, or you plug in Woods/Awuzie and move on, singing Awuzie if he can play to that long term deal and limiting your risk in the process.

Again, the problem wasn't with the stop-gap. The problem comes in if you don't hit on your draft picks. Frazier, Awuzie, Woods. If none of those guys hit, you have troubles.

You're also doing a bit of 20/20 hindsight on Hyde, by the way. He's taking the ball away at a higher rate in BUF than he ever did in his rookie deal.

 

[Corso]

Our best DL would be Crawford at LDE, Irving at 3-tech, Collins at 1-tech and Lawrence at RDE.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Then it's a bad point. Hyde was a $14MM guarantee on a guy you expect to be a mid-level SS for the next 5-6 years. He gets you ~65 tackles and 4 picks or so, but you pay a premium for him, and you move away from developing a guy behind him since you had to commit to more than the length of a rookie contract to get him to sign. Heath's a guy you get with a ~$2MM commitment, and he either pans out for you, or you plug in Woods/Awuzie and move on, singing Awuzie if he can play to that long term deal and limiting your risk in the process.

Again, the problem wasn't with the stop-gap. The problem comes in if you don't hit on your draft picks. Frazier, Awuzie, Woods. If none of those guys hit, you have troubles.

You're also doing a bit of 20/20 hindsight on Hyde, by the way. He's taking the ball away at a higher rate in BUF than he ever did in his rookie deal.

People want to complain about the dredging we do for FAs but forget that one of our best Dlinemen was signed off the Chiefs’ practice squad. We actually hit on a decent number of these long shots (Mincey, Selvie, T McClain), even if none panned out this year.

 

[TwentyOne]

he musta did something Saturday night in SF

Yep.
Raised his fist.

 

[MWH1967]

They cut the wrong Moore

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