RELEASED Cowboys Release DE Damontre Moore

[robbieruff]

This off-season may go down as one of the worst mishandling's in Front Office history. We did not do much at all to improve on a 13-3 team.

You said it brudda...this is some kinda Greek tragedy...let's hope there's some sort of hidden genius in all of this chaos that will make sense later...right now, I'm not seeing it. That bargain bin shopping certainly appears to be paying dividends!

 

[haleyrules]

The formula has changed 180 degrees in the past few years. The reason we were perpetually pathetic is the organization was driven by Jones' impulsive throw-money at it philosophy (if I can even suggest he had a philosophy.)

Consider the crazy impulsive moves that led to our downfall: trading two first round picks for Joey Galloway, trading two premium picks for Roy Williams (with his big contract). The signing of Brandon Carr at $50 mil.

Dallas wasn't properly valuing draft picks...and was playing heavy at the top of the free agent market. They've finally cleaned that up.

Well...they've cleaned up most of it. Jerry still can fall in love with low-character or suspect-health guys that have slid.

The affordable talent Dallas has acquired in the past 18 months is breathtaking. We now have a do-able list of needs to target. I think we can make noise this year, and next year we could be absolutely loaded.

Amen.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And I really am loving the cherry picking in hindsight that people are doing to criticize the Cowboys. I do not recall a lot of talk about Hyde or these other FA in March. It was all about Bouye, Gilmore, and Perry.

 

[BAT]

Key word is according. There is noway that he was the 53rd best player on the roster, he wasn't even at the bottom of the DE list, Mayowa has been worse.

Kellen Moore is a coach, Stephen even said so, and he is now #3 and inactive. There is no reason to not cut him, hire him as an offensive assistant, and if all else fails you can always resign him, because it isn't like another team is going to sign him.

Mayowa will be cut when Ware is signed.

 

[Nightman]

Agree to disagree.

It's one thing If you get less than what you hoped for. Even minimal impact. But when you're left with nothing but a $6 million dead cap hit for Cedric Thornton, a $4 million cost for one game of Nolan Carroll, and holes at 1-tech and DE, and nothing else, that's failure, plain and simple.

And now, on top of the Carroll fiasco, they're looking at having to give the Bengals that 6th round pick for Benwikere, who they obviously want off the field at all costs. Insult to injury.

That's not "sound".

The 9m for a smidge over a year for Thornton was the killer

4m for Carroll isn't barely worth the hassle of complaining but it is a waste

we are getting 1.5m back for Paea so that is no biggie

I was all for signing Mo and letting Carr, Church and Wilcox walk...... no rueing though.... the kids are alright

 

[Stash]

Has Benwikere been active? I haven't been paying attention. We are going to have 4 mid round comp picks next year anyway.

Lately, yes. Especially with the double whammy of Carroll washing out and Awuzie getting hurt.

Even if they're getting 10 comp picks they shouldn't be wasted.

We still have ~$10m cap space this year and after that gets rolled over to next year they will have ~$28m. The $12m in dead money next year is mostly from Romo and is an average amount. The only bad contract we still have is Crawford and his 2018 salary of $6m is pretty manageable considering he is on pace for 7.5 sacks.

Kudos to your boy Crawford, he's actually playing pretty well. Surprising me out there at RDE.

You are complaining about something of zero consequence. It seems obvious to me that the plan was to try and sign Martin this season and keep the ~$5m wiggle room they like to keep every year. They did manage to extend Collins. Now they can sign Martin and will have much more to spend on FA to either keep Cooper, Dlaw, or Hitchens or whatever else.

None of that excuses flushing $10 million down the toilet on Carroll and Thornton and having holes at each position. That's not cap related, that's awful talent evaluation.

We don't have a hole at DE or DT. Crawford Collins Irving DLaw with Mayowa Price Tapper and Taco backing them up is where its at.

Some serious rose colored glass here. Mayowa? Benched. On his way out of town. If he was cheaper, he'd already be gone. Tapper? On IR last I checked - yet again. What's he contributing? And Taco? I'm trying to be kind here.

Price is actually playing pretty well if you are insistent on a 1. He was a FA too.

Picked up off the scrap heap. Now being talked up because he's the last man standing at that position. It will be nice if he ever develops into something, but he's not there yet.

The DL has been outstanding this season.

Some of them? Sure, like the names you mention below. Others? Not so much. And if they were, this team would have no problems. But they do.

Crawford, Irving, and DLaw are all having their best years. They all play DE.

Some of the time, sure. But you yourself just put Irving at DT. And as much as I like what Crawford is doing, he's not beating any good left tackles he's facing either. I'm realistic about that. I'm just happy he knows what outside contain means.

 

[Stash]

The 9m for a smidge over a year for Thornton was the killer

And how many starts did they get? Couldn't have been many. Awful awful miss.

4m for Carroll isn't barely worth the hassle of complaining but it is a waste

Yeah, $4 million for one game is awful, no matter how you slice it.

we are getting 1.5m back for Paea so that is no biggie

More worried about a second mistake at that position rather than any money.

I was all for signing Mo and letting Carr, Church and Wilcox walk...... no rueing though.... the kids are alright

Which "kids"? Lewis? Then what? Awuzie hasn't played much at all. Now thanks to Carroll, there's no Claiborne, or Carr, or Carroll. And now you're looking at giving Cincinnati a 6th round pick for a cornerback you don't want to play anyway.

I like Woods just fine. No issues with him. I'd play him over Heath if it was my decision.

But Lewis' play doesn't erase the stain of Carroll. It's one thing if he relegated him to the bench, but Carroll was so bad that he played his way off the roster entirely. He did that, not Lewis.

This failure goes beyond simply cap dollars. It's awful player evaluation.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

I actually agree with that, but didn't want to open a can of worms. Every now and then there are guys worth overpaying for if you think it's a finishing touch signing. Or guys like Hardy who are expensive, but don't require long commitments where it's worth taking a big one-year risk.

I wouldn’t mind a potential stud difference maker myself if the opportunity presented itself. But pretending the middle tier in FA is value takes extreme cherry picking because the data does not support the argument.

 

[Nightman]

And how many starts did they get? Couldn't have been many. Awful awful miss.



Yeah, $4 million for one game is awful, no matter how you slice it.



More worried about a second mistake at that position rather than any money.



Which "kids"? Lewis? Then what? Awuzie hasn't played much at all. Now thanks to Carroll, there's no Claiborne, or Carr, or Carroll. And now you're looking at giving Cincinnati a 6th round pick for a cornerback you don't want to play anyway.

I like Woods just fine. No issues with him. I'd play him over Heath if it was my decision.

But Lewis' play doesn't erase the stain of Carroll. It's one thing if he relegated him to the bench, but Carroll was so bad that he played his way off the roster entirely. He did that, not Lewis.

This failure goes beyond simply cap dollars. It's awful player evaluation.

When you shop at the Dollar Store you get cheap Chinese crap

We are a draft built team

 

[Stash]

When you shop at the Dollar Store you get cheap Chinese crap

They certainly got "crap", but keeping competent players wouldn't have cost them much more at all. They simply chose poorly.

We are a draft built team

Offensively, that works well. Defensively? Not so much.

And the poor player choices they made in free agency have only made that worse.

 

[Sydla]

The formula has changed 180 degrees in the past few years. The reason we were perpetually pathetic is the organization was driven by Jones' impulsive throw-money at it philosophy (if I can even suggest he had a philosophy.)

Consider the crazy impulsive moves that led to our downfall: trading two first round picks for Joey Galloway, trading two premium picks for Roy Williams (with his big contract). The signing of Brandon Carr at $50 mil.

Dallas wasn't properly valuing draft picks...and was playing heavy at the top of the free agent market. They've finally cleaned that up.

Well...they've cleaned up most of it. Jerry still can fall in love with low-character or suspect-health guys that have slid.

The affordable talent Dallas has acquired in the past 18 months is breathtaking. We now have a do-able list of needs to target. I think we can make noise this year, and next year we could be absolutely loaded.

Again, there is a wide area between the Galloway type moves and Nolan Carroll. I completely agree on staying away from those types of crazy moves. But I don't agree that the next best option is just sift through the crap bin, find some cheap options, cross your fingers and hope you are smarter and luckier than most other NFL teams.

The Cowboys have completely eschewed the mid level free agent market and its bit them in the butt.

I only hope they don't go cheap again this offseason. No, not blow their cap on overpriced upper tier free agents. But sign those couple of mid tiered guys that fill a clear hole that needs filling.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

When you shop at the Dollar Store you get cheap Chinese crap

We are a draft built team

Poor stash is just trying to find an argument to win with his $4 million/1 game agument. But nobody is actually arguing with him. Nobody is saying Carroll was a good signing. Just a couple of us noting that $2 million/year in wasted cap space, although hardly ideal, isn’t worth getting our panties in a bunch over.

 

[Sydla]

Poor stash is just trying to find an argument to win with his $4 million/1 game agument. But nobody is actually arguing with him. Nobody is saying Carroll was a good signing. Just a couple of us noting that $2 million/year in wasted cap space, although hardly ideal, isn’t worth getting our panties in a bunch over.

From my perspective it's not really the dead cap money next year, although it is dumb that we have to eat space next year on a turd like Carroll. And that in reality, using Carroll's money could have been better spent on a better player who would have helped us, unlike Carroll who was a bum from the get go.

The bigger issue is once again questionable decision making in defensive personnel and the fact that again, a crap player signed not surprisingly actually is a crap player.

 

[Floatyworm]

When are you people gonna realize Kellen Moore is the glue that keeps this team together? I can't even imagine the utter calamity this organization would be if he were cut.

Go ahead continue to bag on the guy...Just tells me most of you people would just as soon cut off your head if you thought it would make you better looking.

 

[Idgit]

It really isn't an either/or though. They could have looked at Chris Baker, who always flashed against Dallas, for 3 years 15MM and he filled a huge hole in the middle.

cutting 80% of the FAs signings on "not exactly a dominant defense" is hard to spin as a positive

It's definitely not a positive. But it is the reason they manage the VFA risk the way they do.

 

[Idgit]

First of all 6.5MM for a starting SS who will be very productive for you is not overpaying. That's actually a really good deal.

Second, I am not hindsighting this at all. I was calling for Hyde when FA started.

Three the whole hey Heath is cheap but if he stinks we can move Awuzie there or Woods is band aid thinking. It's the same logic that gets us what we have always had. A mediocre defense because you are constantly trying to plug a hole caused by cheapness by trying to move guys around. We are doing it at DT now too. Hey Paea didn't work out..... But we can use a PS guy there or a cast off from GB.

It's not actually making the defense better. It's constantly trying to plug holes in the dam.

It's the same way the offense was built. The difference being we didn't whiff as much on the offensive picks.

 

[haleyrules]

When are you people gonna realize Kellen Moore is the glue that keeps this team together? I can't even imagine the utter calamity this organization would be if he were cut.

Go ahead continue to bag on the guy...Just tells me most of you people would just as soon cut off your head if you thought it would make you better looking.

.

 

[Sydla]

It's the same way the offense was built. The difference being we didn't whiff as much on the offensive picks.

But we have whiffed.

It's why the defense is so far behind the offense year after year. They make questionable personnel decisions on defense. And you can't just say it's OK, we'll fix it in the next draft.

This is why they need to continue to draft well but supplement the defense with a couple key free agents. The offense is ready to win now. The defense, at this rate, is still a couple of drafts away from being a top level talented D. Draft well this year and sign a couple of quality FAs and you speed the process up.

 

[Idgit]

But we have whiffed.

It's why the defense is so far behind the offense year after year. They make questionable personnel decisions on defense. And you can't just say it's OK, we'll fix it in the next draft.

This is why they need to continue to draft well but supplement the defense with a couple key free agents. The offense is ready to win now. The defense, at this rate, is still a couple of drafts away from being a top level talented D. Draft well this year and sign a couple of quality FAs and you speed the process up.

I didn't say they'll just fix it in the next draft. Or anything remotely like that. I said you're blaming the wrong talent acquisition channel altogether.

The cap space needs to go to Martin and Lawrence and Dak and Elliott and the other 2016 rookies in the chute.

 

[Doomsay]

The formula has changed 180 degrees in the past few years. The reason we were perpetually pathetic is the organization was driven by Jones' impulsive throw-money at it philosophy (if I can even suggest he had a philosophy.)
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Recently, Jones has acted in an equally impulsive manner with his defensive draft picks. His first 2 rounds have been bust mountain for the last half decade, putting us in a huge defensive talent deficit. We need to patch up key defensive poisons like safety with quality FA's, because of his out of market, wild cat defensive drafts.