News: Cowboys' remedy for defensive line concerns: Rod Marinelli

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I think we need to wait and see what they look like in pre season....the whole team.
I dont think Ro and Randy would have added much so them not being on the team wont affect much.

I do think Marinelli and his system is not that good, and seems to work against them late in games.
Only rushing 4 down linemen hasnt worked too well in past, and I doubt that changes, with no star players on DL.
 

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He's still a free agent and every team has reported to training camp what does that tell you? Jerry officially closed the door on Hardy being back weeks ago. You think he'll have a change of heart and bring him back during camp when no team wants him, adding another distraction to go along with the suspensions we've had? You honestly think Hardy will be on the team at the start of the 2016 season? Do you really want to go out on that limb? Lol
yup
 

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I think we need to wait and see what they look like in pre season....the whole team.
I dont think Ro and Randy would have added much so them not being on the team wont affect much.

I do think Marinelli and his system is not that good, and seems to work against them late in games.
Only rushing 4 down linemen hasnt worked too well in past, and I doubt that changes, with no star players on DL.

Four man rush, isn't that basicly what Seattle does?
 

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Four man rush, isn't that basicly what Seattle does?
not sure I didnt see but about 3 of their games last year, and didnt pay attention to that.
They used to have a great secondary so they could play coverage and rush 4 and get away with it,
but they have lost some guys, and coaches.

So if your going to just rush 4 you need really good LB's and Safetys, and corners.
And a good scheme.
I dont think we have all that.
 

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not sure I didnt see but about 3 of their games last year, and didnt pay attention to that.
They used to have a great secondary so they could play coverage and rush 4 and get away with it,
but they have lost some guys, and coaches.

So if your going to just rush 4 you need really good LB's and Safetys, and corners.
And a good scheme.
I dont think we have all that.

Just with an eyeball test...that's a fair appraisal. I think with some research and film study, a better feel of this group can be acquired.

First, I think an appreciation of Rod Marinelli is missing. Oh, he's a solid coach and his scheme and approach has been thoroughly researched and projected by Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett. They certainly have done their homework and have been more than an owner's interest involved with that side of the ball and how the whole team integrates onto the field.

Some of us forget that Jerry studied intensely, and sought key individual information gathering before he purchased the Cowboys. He studied up for ten years, before purchasing the Cowboys.

Believe it or not, he has been intensely involved with the Cowboys, even through the period involving Jimmy Johnson and the dynasty period. He has intense recall as to team developments, reasons, and also how the NFL has evolved. He knows what it takes to build and sustain a team. The problem remained, that through periods of NFL adapting in putting a team together, cash flow developments had to be incorporated into the picture for being able to put top players onto the field.

Today, the model is a self drafted and developed team depth that relies upon reward players developed through a team's own coaching and acquisition. This includes identifying young players that are felt able to develop and equal the product limited by drafts, each year...and where in the draft that those picks occur. That changes ability to acquire levels of talent as well.

Just for thought, the past three draft periods have provided the team with seven players that were considered to be very strong and first round talents.

Zack Martin OG
Demarcus Lawrence DE
Byron Jones FS
Randy Gregory DE
La'el Collins OG
Ezekiel Elliott RB
Jaylon Smith LB

That is seven quality level players, in the past three seasons. That is maximizing potential talent...not blowing drafts. Three were offensive players, and why the offensive line and entire offense is considered top shelf at present. But on the defensive side, there were two defensive end talents, a safety, and a linebacker taken. All of whom were considered strong and top of the draft players.

For full effect, those players will need time and opportunities to show the quality that has been added - but the defense received quite a bit as well. Two players, Gregory and Smith, will have to be given further time to show the wisdom in their respective picks. But the talent was added despite intervening problems. In a very strong franchise, which I consider in Dallas, problems can be solved. I am counting on this later, to make the count at a minimum - 3 offensive and 3 defensive studs that have been added to the team, over the past three draft periods. Very important in team building.

There is a whole group of younger players that have been added over the past three seasons, that are in a developmental mode. We will soon see just how that goes...this season.

At the most, one more draft will get this defense to the level needed for a fully functional scheme as led by Rod Marinelli. Rod has one more year to show a final product. In the mean time, we will get a pretty good picture this season. Watch now!
 

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When it's time to step into the ring...he'll answer the bell.

We'll see. His history shows otherwise.

Again and Again and again.

Benefit of the doubt has long since left town.
 

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1.Some of us forget that Jerry studied intensely, and sought key individual information gathering before he purchased the Cowboys. He studied up for ten years, before purchasing the Cowboys.



2.Zack Martin OG
Demarcus Lawrence DE
Byron Jones FS
Randy Gregory DE
La'el Collins OG
Ezekiel Elliott RB
Jaylon Smith LB


3.There is a whole group of younger players that have been added over the past three seasons, that are in a developmental mode. We will soon see just how that goes...this season.

4.At the most, one more draft will get this defense to the level needed for a fully functional scheme as led by Rod Marinelli. Rod has one more year to show a final product. In the mean time, we will get a pretty good picture this season. Watch now!

1.how do you know this?? I never heard any of that before.
why would he research cowboys 10 years before they were up for sale?? or was he just studing up on buying a team.
2. This group, so far only the O.linemen have shined on field and been rkg. they also shined in 1st year.
3.yes now I have heard that it takes 3 years for a player to develop, and also if they havent by then they wont.
When jimmy was here it was more like 1 year to learn and shine a little, then 2nd year shine a lot. much quicker to develop.
4.Well like JG they will still be here a year from now so we will see if this defense develops or not.

I am not a fan of set systems, where players are forced to run a certain defense regardless of personnel.
I think they should look at the players they have, their strengths and weaknesses, and devise a system specifically for the
players they have.
NE is the only team that might do that.
 

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1.how do you know this?? I never heard any of that before.
why would he research cowboys 10 years before they were up for sale?? or was he just studing up on buying a team.
2. This group, so far only the O.linemen have shined on field and been rkg. they also shined in 1st year.
3.yes now I have heard that it takes 3 years for a player to develop, and also if they havent by then they wont.
When jimmy was here it was more like 1 year to learn and shine a little, then 2nd year shine a lot. much quicker to develop.
4.Well like JG they will still be here a year from now so we will see if this defense develops or not.

I am not a fan of set systems, where players are forced to run a certain defense regardless of personnel.
I think they should look at the players they have, their strengths and weaknesses, and devise a system specifically for the
players they have.
NE is the only team that might do that.

Funny, there are a lot of things not known about the facts of the Cowboys. Jerry Jones has always fully researched prior to making a venture, or even a change in his organization.

Yes, Jerry spent ten years researching what it took to run a NFL franchise. He had quite a few talks with the Management of San Francisco 49'ers and with Oakland's owner. Yea, Al Davis was Commissioner of the AFL, and was the really first successful owner/GM in the NFL. He was a smart man in the early days.

Jerry additionally had many talks with the management of the Dallas Cowboys, that only allowed him to purchase the team, if he did not retain Tom Landry as the new coach. Jerry wanted to go with a coach that he knew personally. Jimmy Johnson had a strong history with Jerry Jones, as he did with Barry Switzer as well. But Jerry often went back and had discussions with those early contacts from the Dallas franchise through the years.

Before Jerry made a major move, such as when he brought in Bill Parcells, he circled the wagons and sought advice from many of the old sources of NFL knowledge...and he trusted.

He has consulted his core group, every time that a change occurred...circling the wagons for a thorough evaluation of team directions. Not Jerry speaks as is the folklore here abouts for way too long.

As examples of franchise success changed, the Cowboys have paid attention and applied principals that were learned. Sometimes, both luck and gambles are required...but don't kid one's self...the success has been consistent. No, the Cowboys just haven't blown the drafts over the past three seasons.

No, more than just a pair of OL have been good and productive in their first season. When information is given to you...don't just blow it off and substitute a partial view as a denial.

As to not being a fan of systems...all successful teams use them. Get with the program and watch more development of our own,

In the past three seasons, the team has added SEVEN top round type of players. All but one look to uphold the talent level approach. As to Gregory, that storyline isn't even complete, beyond the crying in the beer by some fans.

But more than just those players have been added, and it remains to be seen the degree of depth that follows...but they are contributing here and now.
 

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(cough...cough) I guess with this, one is also ignoring the 12 win season with nothing more than walking dead put into the defensive line...yea, pretty weak and inflammatory alright.:popcorn:

12 wins is great, in regular season. D fell apart in post season. The D just could not make key stops/takeaways at end of games or even pressure QB to throw ball away. A hobbled Aaron Rogers had all day in 2nd half.

The goal is not 12 wins, 13 wins etc. The goal is a ring. The goal is to build a team that can compete, better yet dominate, in the post season. The offense is good enough, the defense is not even close.
 

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Just with an eyeball test...that's a fair appraisal. I think with some research and film study, a better feel of this group can be acquired.

First, I think an appreciation of Rod Marinelli is missing. Oh, he's a solid coach and his scheme and approach has been thoroughly researched and projected by Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett. They certainly have done their homework and have been more than an owner's interest involved with that side of the ball and how the whole team integrates onto the field.

Some of us forget that Jerry studied intensely, and sought key individual information gathering before he purchased the Cowboys. He studied up for ten years, before purchasing the Cowboys.

Believe it or not, he has been intensely involved with the Cowboys, even through the period involving Jimmy Johnson and the dynasty period. He has intense recall as to team developments, reasons, and also how the NFL has evolved. He knows what it takes to build and sustain a team. The problem remained, that through periods of NFL adapting in putting a team together, cash flow developments had to be incorporated into the picture for being able to put top players onto the field.

Today, the model is a self drafted and developed team depth that relies upon reward players developed through a team's own coaching and acquisition. This includes identifying young players that are felt able to develop and equal the product limited by drafts, each year...and where in the draft that those picks occur. That changes ability to acquire levels of talent as well.

Just for thought, the past three draft periods have provided the team with seven players that were considered to be very strong and first round talents.

Zack Martin OG
Demarcus Lawrence DE
Byron Jones FS
Randy Gregory DE
La'el Collins OG
Ezekiel Elliott RB
Jaylon Smith LB

That is seven quality level players, in the past three seasons. That is maximizing potential talent...not blowing drafts. Three were offensive players, and why the offensive line and entire offense is considered top shelf at present. But on the defensive side, there were two defensive end talents, a safety, and a linebacker taken. All of whom were considered strong and top of the draft players.

For full effect, those players will need time and opportunities to show the quality that has been added - but the defense received quite a bit as well. Two players, Gregory and Smith, will have to be given further time to show the wisdom in their respective picks. But the talent was added despite intervening problems. In a very strong franchise, which I consider in Dallas, problems can be solved. I am counting on this later, to make the count at a minimum - 3 offensive and 3 defensive studs that have been added to the team, over the past three draft periods. Very important in team building.

There is a whole group of younger players that have been added over the past three seasons, that are in a developmental mode. We will soon see just how that goes...this season.

At the most, one more draft will get this defense to the level needed for a fully functional scheme as led by Rod Marinelli. Rod has one more year to show a final product. In the mean time, we will get a pretty good picture this season. Watch now!

One more draft, one more season, one more attempt at free agency. We've heard this for the last 20 years and counting.

Good thing tomorrow's are in abundance. But no matter how many more tomorrow's we have, Jerry's model is broken and proven disaster over last 2 decades. He's changed coaches, schemes, players, scouts multiple times over and nothing has worked. The only constant through this era of failure was Jerry and his family. Only one more thing jerry can change, the FO.
 
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