Drafted by Cowboys Cowboys Select S Xavier Woods -- 6th Round (191st overall)

[Kaiser]

Reading would be your friend here. I'm not saying Woods can't be a quality player. I'm simply commenting on this idea that he fell and that we were missing out by not grabbing him earlier. He was picked where he should have been and we'll see how he develops.

My reading is fine, the problem is reading someone say Woods "was picked where he should have been".

According to who? Brugler had him as a 3rd or 4th rounder and we got him in the 6th, in exchange for a 5th. Was Dak Prescott drafted where he should have been? Was Anthony Brown? Was Gavin Escobar?

 

[lane]

I love the way he hits clean with his shoulder and can actually intercept the ball.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

My reading is fine, the problem is reading someone say Woods "was picked where he should have been".

According to who? Brugler had him as a 3rd or 4th rounder and we got him in the 6th, in exchange for a 5th. Was Dak Prescott drafted where he should have been? Was Anthony Brown? Was Gavin Escobar?

According to the NFL's 32 teams.

Brugler is just a writer, there's a thousand Dane Brugler's out there. Guys like Woods get over or underhyped based on these various "scouts" and that leads to us all saying that a team "reached" for a player, or a player "fell" all before they ever set foot on the football field.

Because of that, we've now worked ourself into such a whirlwind where people on here think we got the next Ed Reed with this guy. All because he's supposedly some huge "steal" who "fell" to us. I think it does a disservice to the player because at the end of the day, he's a late-round pick with a chance to compete like everyone else, but the expectations are so high now that it's almost insane.

Yes, based off Woods' measurables and his physical skill, that's about where he should have gone. Without the benefit of hindsight, Dak went where he should have based on what we knew of him coming out of college. Players can always rise above or fall below what's expected of them, but at the time of the draft most players generally go where they should.

 

[TheKey]

I don't know. I saw a lot of bad angles and he doesn't seem to have good instincts. Just kind of there.

Bad angles and poor instincts don't force 19 turnovers in 3 years

 

[Scotman]

That's. a very nice trade. Was it the Jets original pick in the 5th? If so that was a huge coup for us. We move from the bottom of the 6th to the top of the fifth for a late 5th next year?

That's what I'm wondering. The trade, if I understand it right, made no sense at all for the Jets. Why in the world would they make that trade?

 

[xwalker]

That's what I'm wondering. The trade, if I understand it right, made no sense at all for the Jets. Why in the world would they make that trade?

They had 10 picks including 3 5ths and 3 6ths.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

According to the NFL's 32 teams.

Brugler is just a writer, there's a thousand Dane Brugler's out there. Guys like Woods get over or underhyped based on these various "scouts" and that leads to us all saying that a team "reached" for a player, or a player "fell" all before they ever set foot on the football field.

Because of that, we've now worked ourself into such a whirlwind where people on here think we got the next Ed Reed with this guy. All because he's supposedly some huge "steal" who "fell" to us. I think it does a disservice to the player because at the end of the day, he's a late-round pick with a chance to compete like everyone else, but the expectations are so high now that it's almost insane.

Yes, based off Woods' measurables and his physical skill, that's about where he should have gone. Without the benefit of hindsight, Dak went where he should have based on what we knew of him coming out of college. Players can always rise above or fall below what's expected of them, but at the time of the draft most players generally go where they should.

Yes, because NFL teams never let prospects fall. What a silly argument, as is the "Based on unspecified factors of my choosing, he was drafted in an unspecified correct range from where he was taken."

 

[ConstantReboot]

According to the NFL's 32 teams.

Brugler is just a writer, there's a thousand Dane Brugler's out there. Guys like Woods get over or underhyped based on these various "scouts" and that leads to us all saying that a team "reached" for a player, or a player "fell" all before they ever set foot on the football field.

Because of that, we've now worked ourself into such a whirlwind where people on here think we got the next Ed Reed with this guy. All because he's supposedly some huge "steal" who "fell" to us. I think it does a disservice to the player because at the end of the day, he's a late-round pick with a chance to compete like everyone else, but the expectations are so high now that it's almost insane.

Yes, based off Woods' measurables and his physical skill, that's about where he should have gone. Without the benefit of hindsight, Dak went where he should have based on what we knew of him coming out of college. Players can always rise above or fall below what's expected of them, but at the time of the draft most players generally go where they should.

He went 6th in this years draft because it was deep with many DBs and top end safeties. If it was not for a draft so deep in in DBs and safeties he would have gone higher. Nothing wrong with saying us got a "steal" because we got him with a lower pick. We did get a steal with Dak. If reentered the draft this year he would probably be the first QB taken overall.

It happens all the time. Sometimes draftnks get caught up in the measurables that they forget how good of a football player really is. Woods may not have the measurables like a top notch safety. But the instincts and football IQ is there. Thus most would say we got a steal due to his production throughout the years.

 

[willia451]

I think he fell because of concerns about his size and coming from a small school like LA Tech.

That's good for us. We got a good football player that most had graded out in the 3rd or 4th round in the 6th.

I don't expect him to be the savior of the secondary by any means But still. He will obviously be able to compete for a spot and contribute if he makes it.

So you've got to be very happy with this pick. There is really no reason not to be.

 

[tyke1doe]

My reading is fine, the problem is reading someone say Woods "was picked where he should have been".

According to who? Brugler had him as a 3rd or 4th rounder and we got him in the 6th, in exchange for a 5th. Was Dak Prescott drafted where he should have been? Was Anthony Brown? Was Gavin Escobar?

Yes. If they were supposed to be picked higher, they would have been.
Rankings are subjective. Draft selection is objective.
The only thing you can go by is where a player actually went, not where he was expected to go.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes, because NFL teams never let prospects fall. What a silly argument, as is the "Based on unspecified factors of my choosing, he was drafted in an unspecified correct range from where he was taken."

No, it's not silly. If they let them fall, it's because they believe someone is better or fits their team better.
Besides, it's not the team's evaluation that he fell; It's some drafting. But the draftnik aren't drafting, the team's are. And we really don't know who they rank over whom.

Truth be told, had the Cowboys picked Dak Prescott with the #4 pick, there would have been a riot in Cowboys Nation. Well, except for the homers.

Truth be told if we had a crystal ball to see what Dak would have done and nobody else did, the smart ones among is would STILL have drafted him in the fourth round because that is where his value coming into the draft was.

 

[Dundalis]

According to the NFL's 32 teams.

Brugler is just a writer, there's a thousand Dane Brugler's out there. Guys like Woods get over or underhyped based on these various "scouts" and that leads to us all saying that a team "reached" for a player, or a player "fell" all before they ever set foot on the football field.

Because of that, we've now worked ourself into such a whirlwind where people on here think we got the next Ed Reed with this guy. All because he's supposedly some huge "steal" who "fell" to us. I think it does a disservice to the player because at the end of the day, he's a late-round pick with a chance to compete like everyone else, but the expectations are so high now that it's almost insane.

Yes, based off Woods' measurables and his physical skill, that's about where he should have gone. Without the benefit of hindsight, Dak went where he should have based on what we knew of him coming out of college. Players can always rise above or fall below what's expected of them, but at the time of the draft most players generally go where they should.

Anthony Brown was a steal in the 6th round. It was called at the time, and it remains true to now. Woods falls into a similar category as a talent rated by a lot of people higher than his draft position.

Also your logic of according to all NFL's 32 teams is false. Dallas had him rated in their top 68 players. They didn't pick him higher because they had players rated higher fall to the picks they did have before this pick.

 

[willia451]

Yes. If they were supposed to be picked higher, they would have been.
Rankings are subjective. Draft selection is objective.
The only thing you can go by is where a player actually went, not where he was expected to go.

But what the media and coaching community thinks about you subjectively does matter.

People need a construct. A basis for comparison. We're not machines.

To say that if you were drafted in the 6th round then you are a 6th rounder is machine thinking.

Even the legal profession doesn't work that way.

You may want to rethink your position and join the human race. Just a suggestion.

 

[masomenos]

Truth be told if we had a crystal ball to see what Dak would have done and nobody else did, the smart ones among is would STILL have drafted him in the fourth round because that is where his value coming into the draft was.

That's an odd argument.

 

[lqmac1]

I think the Woods hype has gotten a little out of control. Ever since we found out he was one of the 30 visits, his legend has grown rapidly to the point where people were shocked he "fell" this far when in reality, this is probably right about where he should have been picked.

That's false! A lot of people that are outside of the Cowboys organization have been praising us on that pick. Most everything I've read has agreed with the notion that he slipped.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

He went 6th in this years draft because it was deep with many DBs and top end safeties. If it was not for a draft so deep in in DBs and safeties he would have gone higher. Nothing wrong with saying us got a "steal" because we got him with a lower pick. We did get a steal with Dak. If reentered the draft this year he would probably be the first QB taken overall.

It happens all the time. Sometimes draftnks get caught up in the measurables that they forget how good of a football player really is. Woods may not have the measurables like a top notch safety. But the instincts and football IQ is there. Thus most would say we got a steal due to his production throughout the years.

You know that works both ways right? If you like the player, he "fell" because it's a strong draft. If you don't like the player, he only got picked high because it was a weak draft.

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

Anyone else see a little Tyron Matheiu in woods ?

 

[Kaiser]

According to the NFL's 32 teams.

Brugler is just a writer, there's a thousand Dane Brugler's out there. Guys like Woods get over or underhyped based on these various "scouts" and that leads to us all saying that a team "reached" for a player, or a player "fell" all before they ever set foot on the football field.

Because of that, we've now worked ourself into such a whirlwind where people on here think we got the next Ed Reed with this guy. All because he's supposedly some huge "steal" who "fell" to us. I think it does a disservice to the player because at the end of the day, he's a late-round pick with a chance to compete like everyone else, but the expectations are so high now that it's almost insane.

Yes, based off Woods' measurables and his physical skill, that's about where he should have gone. Without the benefit of hindsight, Dak went where he should have based on what we knew of him coming out of college. Players can always rise above or fall below what's expected of them, but at the time of the draft most players generally go where they should.

This is complete nonsense. Show me one person on this forum that said Woods was worth a 2nd round pick, much less a 1st, much less being a HOF player like Ed Reed.

Dallas had a 3rd round grade on him but took other players first that were rated even higher. Anthony Brown was rated as a 3rd and they got him in the six (like Woods). Ron Leary had a 3rd round grade and they got him as a UDFA. They rated Maliek Collins as a 1st and got him in the 3rd. I'm sure all those guys cried themselves to sleep at night over the "disservice" of "insane expectations". What a load.

 

[tyke1doe]

But what the media and coaching community thinks about you subjectively does matter.

But it only matters based on who they pick.
What a person thinks is immaterial. What a person does is what matters.

People need a construct. A basis for comparison. We're not machines.

But constructs must manifest themselves in actions. It's the difference between creating an idea and implementing an idea.

To say that if you were drafted in the 6th round then you are a 6th rounder is machine thinking.

The operative word is "say." But if you are picked in the sixth round then you ARE a sixth rounder. There's no other way to objectively evaluate it other than what round you are picked.

Even the legal profession doesn't work that way.
You may want to rethink your position and join the human race. Just a suggestion.

You're just talking to match words. What you say doesn't make sense. Or maybe I'll ask you, how do you objectively measure the worth a player? Through subjective draft guides or where a player ultimately is drafted?

 

[CCBoy]

But it only matters based on who they pick.
What a person thinks is immaterial. What a person does is what matters.


But constructs must manifest themselves in actions. It's the difference between creating an idea and implementing an idea.


The operative word is "say." But if you are picked in the sixth round then you ARE a sixth rounder. There's no other way to objectively evaluate it other than what round you are picked.


You're just talking to match words. What you say doesn't make sense. Or maybe I'll ask you, how do you objectively measure the worth a player? Through subjective draft guides or where a player ultimately is drafted?

Where a player is picked, doesn't determine a player's future...only a chance. And for the record, the past two starting quarterbacks for the Dallas Cowboys went undrafted, AND taken in the 4th round...what was one saying about round taken again?