Drafted by Cowboys Cowboys Select S Xavier Woods -- 6th Round (191st overall)

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That's an odd argument.
Let me put it to you another way. If the first ever made Corvette cost $1,000 and I knew in the future it would grow in value to $1 million (and nobody else knew this) would I, would you pay $1 million for it or pay its current worth of $1,000?
I would pay what its value is worth at the time. And that's because I can use the money I save for other acquisitions and make the most of my money.

So too with Dak. He might be more valuable than a 4th round pick now, but at the time of the draft his value was as a 4th round pick. And that's because that's where he was picked.
 
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Where a player is picked, doesn't determine a player's future...only a chance. And for the record, the past two starting quarterbacks for the Dallas Cowboys went undrafted, AND taken in the 4th round...what was one saying about round taken again?
I never said it did.
You're not getting my point. Where a player is taken, that establishes his value. There is no other objective way to evaluate it. So when Tony Romo slipped out of the draft, it's because no team valued him as draft worthy. If they did, he would have been drafted.

Now a player as with any object of value can increase or decrease in value over time. But that has nothing to do with present-day value, which is what I'm talking about.
 
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That's false! A lot of people that are outside of the Cowboys organization have been praising us on that pick. Most everything I've read has agreed with the notion that he slipped.
You read team scouts, head coaches, GMs - those who actually make the selections - or draftniks?

Second, if he was rated higher, then why didn't he get picked higher?

All this "he should have gone higher, lower" is simply rhetoric. The true and objective way to determine how high a player should go is where that player goes.
 
You read team scouts, head coaches, GMs - those who actually make the selections - or draftniks?

Second, if he was rated higher, then why didn't he get picked higher?

All this "he should have gone higher, lower" is simply rhetoric. The true and objective way to determine how high a player should go is where that player goes.
Mickey Spagnola?
 
Or maybe I'll ask you, how do you objectively measure the worth a player? Through subjective draft guides or where a player ultimately is drafted?

I don't objectively measure a potential players worth (or value). I use the subjective draft guides. And read what other people are saying about them subjectively in the media. I come out here and read what people are posting about them and where they think their value should be. I watch some you tube videos on how they play. Or watch them in a real game on TV. And then I subjectively make a decision on whether people are right based on what I have seen in the past.

That's the way everyone does it. Because football is the ultimate team sport. There are so many things that can effect how well or how poorly you do. How you are perceived. There are so many things that can effect where a player is ultimately drafted. Nobody seriously believes La'el Collins is a UFA talent. But it happened.

But ultimately its not where you are drafted anyway. Its about your potential to produce at a high level in the NFL. And that is completely subjective. Because nobody really knows for 100% sure. Look at Tom Brady. 6th round pick. Or Tony Romo. UFA.

Anybody can be a diamond in the rough. That's why it is so very important to have as many draft picks as possible. The more picks you have, the better your odds to find one of those guys.

The bottom line is consensus of opinion is the way humans do it. Objectivity is important. Or at least a form of it. But its only part of the equation of the human experience.
 
Deep DB class, and he came from an unheralded school

Literally the only thing I can think of. This kid was a day 2 talent

Yeah, I think it was just a numbers deal. It really only makes sense that in arguably the deepest DB draft ever that a few DBs would drop as teams eventually have to address other areas of their squad that require attention.
 
You read team scouts, head coaches, GMs - those who actually make the selections - or draftniks?

Second, if he was rated higher, then why didn't he get picked higher?

All this "he should have gone higher, lower" is simply rhetoric. The true and objective way to determine how high a player should go is where that player goes.

Well, I hope you've never called one of our draft picks a reach, because by your logic there's no such thing.
 
I don't objectively measure a potential players worth (or value). I use the subjective draft guides. And read what other people are saying about them subjectively in the media. I come out here and read what people are posting about them and where they think their value should be. I watch some you tube videos on how they play. Or watch them in a real game on TV. And then I subjectively make a decision on whether people are right based on what I have seen in the past.

That's the way everyone does it. Because football is the ultimate team sport. There are so many things that can effect how well or how poorly you do. How you are perceived. There are so many things that can effect where a player is ultimately drafted. Nobody seriously believes La'el Collins is a UFA talent. But it happened.

But ultimately its not where you are drafted anyway. Its about your potential to produce at a high level in the NFL. And that is completely subjective. Because nobody really knows for 100% sure. Look at Tom Brady. 6th round pick. Or Tony Romo. UFA.

Anybody can be a diamond in the rough. That's why it is so very important to have as many draft picks as possible. The more picks you have, the better your odds to find one of those guys.

The bottom line is consensus of opinion is the way humans do it. Objectivity is important. Or at least a form of it. But its only part of the equation of the human experience.

I have no problems with what you said except for one thing: you nor any of the people who make and read these draft publications have to make the pick. So subjectivity is all you and I have to go on.

However, the teams are the ones who have to pull the trigger. For them, this is not merely a subjective endeavor. It is an OBJECTIVE endeavor because it could prevent their teams from getting better and could cost them their jobs. So their consideration is a bit different than yours and mine.

Furthermore, let's make a distinction between round ranking and team value. Round rankings are based on a player's talent. Team value is based on more, including character, scheme and how the player will fit the team. The former is more important to fans, the latter more important to teams.
So a Carl Brantley may be graded as a first or second round, but he dropped to the 6th round because of his domestic violence charge.

I think fans make a mistake slotting players based on talent alone. Moreover, draft reviews don't consider the number of players who can and will be drafted. Every player is given a draft rating, and more ratings are assigned than draft picks. But we know every player with a rating isn't going to be drafted. Or you may have 35 players with 1st round ratings. But there aren't going to be 35 players drafted in the 1st round.

So ratings have a built in subjectivity. That's why I say the only thing that matters is where a player goes on draft day. Where he goes ultimately establishes his draft value. It doesn't matter where you or I think he should have gone. We operate from incomplete and subjective information. The teams operate with complete information and control the outcome of where a player is taken.
 
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Well, I hope you've never called one of our draft picks a reach, because by your logic there's no such thing.
No, all it will mean is I'm using incomplete knowledge to evaluate him. And it will mean that I get things wrong too. I have my opinions, but I have no problems admittimg when I'm wrong. See my signature. :(
Truth be told, none of us knows who is a reach. We all go by the information we think is valid. But I'll admit I don't know everything, unlike some people on this forum who fashion themselves as talent scouts and think the Cowboys are forever doomed because Jerry doesn't ask them for their opinion. ;)
 
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Love this skill. Don't see him becoming elite, but a Crayton level player. Potential starter at S.
 
Right, because the good DBs get picked first. See how that works?
Eli Apple was drafted in the first round. He had 51 combined tackles, 1 forced fumble, and one interception............as a starter.

Anthony Brown was drafted in the 6th round. He had 55 combined tackles, 1 forced fumble and 1 interception..........as a part time player.

See how that works, genius?
 
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