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[Risen Star]

You know, from time to time you make some really good points that are unfairly criticized by many members of this board, but I think the reason that happens is that you often seem to find a way to be OVERLY critical of most everything that the organization does, without giving the organization for anything good that they do. You have the right to do that, and I support that right. But it just gets old, and undermines the otherwise valid points you bring up. Why exactly is it irrelevant that we got an UDFA who turns out to be a good player for us? Do his stats not count because he was an UDFA? Is he not allowed to play on Sunday because he wasn't drafted? Should the organization not be given any credit for finding Romo, or Austin because they came off of the UDFA scrap heap? Should the Patriots cut Brady because he had no "pedigree" as a 6th rounder? Come on, Risen......you have a lot more to offer than that sort of mindless drivel.

It's irrelevant to a draft discussion because he wasn't drafted. When you review the job the Cowboys did in the 2012 Draft undrafted players don't factor into it.

 

[iceman117]

If you don't include Leary, Dunbar, and Beasley, anyway. Then all you have is a starter and two key role players from the actual draft picks. But it only makes sense to count all the college guys who came in from the same group as part of that 2012 class.

I guess it came off like I was bashing, but I didn't meant to, Garret I think has drafted well except for 12' and has found some nice UDFAs I was just pointing out that year they didn't do a good job in the actual draft. This team is pretty close to being really good and hitting on a few of those picks could have gone a long way. I like the direction the team is headed overall though.

 

[Verdict]

It's irrelevant to a draft discussion because he wasn't drafted. When you review the job the Cowboys did in the 2012 Draft undrafted players don't factor into it.

That's true. But when you discuss the Cowboys' talent evaluation and talent acquisition process, it obviously matters. Isn't the draft just one element of that? Don't the Cowboys get credit for finding Selvie off of the scrap heap? Isn't that also a part of talent acquisition?

 

[Verdict]

Seriously?

You can't figure it out?

It's because the guy simpler can't play and there is no reason he should be on an NFL roster. Despite stubborn,y keeping him on the roster, the team has done anything and everything to avoid playing him.

He has never set foot on the field for a meaningful NFL snap in his career. In fact, you can probably add up the number of times he's been active on one hand with several fingers to spare.

Actions speak louder than anything and when those actions include moving your RT to guard to avoid Arkin seeing the field, it tells you all you need to know.

If the player is of no help to you, he shouldn't be taking up a roster space. He's had more than enough time to develop and for whatever reason you would like to give, he hasn't.

Time to pull the plug.

I find that the decision to keep Arkin on the roster to be a fascinating thing. Seriously. We have hung on to him despite the fact that he has received no significant playing time in his first two years on the roster. Normally, a guy like that would be very expendable unless you really think he has major league upside. The problem with assuming that is a valid reason to keep him around is that as bad as our guard play has been if he had serious potential he should have gotten significant playing time over the past two years. There has to be something we are not accounting for. Maybe he has some compromising photos of members of the Cowboys organization or something. It is quite perplexing to understand it otherwise.

 

[Rockport]

I find that the decision to keep Arkin on the roster to be a fascinating thing. Seriously. We have hung on to him despite the fact that he has received no significant playing time in his first two years on the roster. Normally, a guy like that would be very expendable unless you really think he has major league upside. The problem with assuming that is a valid reason to keep him around is that as bad as our guard play has been if he had serious potential he should have gotten significant playing time over the past two years. There has to be something we are not accounting for. Maybe he has some compromising photos of members of the Cowboys organization or something. It is quite perplexing to understand it otherwise.

You must have backups on your team so maybe it's because there's no one better out there?

 

[Idgit]

I guess it came off like I was bashing, but I didn't meant to, Garret I think has drafted well except for 12' and has found some nice UDFAs I was just pointing out that year they didn't do a good job in the actual draft. This team is pretty close to being really good and hitting on a few of those picks could have gone a long way. I like the direction the team is headed overall though.

Yeah, I knew you weren't bashing. I was just trying to point out that we did, in fact, bring in some good college talent overall in 2012. It's important, because I do think that's something we've done a good job with overall in recent years, and it's a big part of why I'm pretty happy with where the team is, by and large.

 

[Verdict]

You must have backups on your team so maybe it's because there's no one better out there?

Yeah, I get that you have to have backups, but when your guard play sucks you wouldn't expect him to get playing time if he had ANY talent at all?

 

[iceman117]

Yeah, I knew you weren't bashing. I was just trying to point out that we did, in fact, bring in some good college talent overall in 2012. It's important, because I do think that's something we've done a good job with overall in recent years, and it's a big part of why I'm pretty happy with where the team is, by and large.

Me too, and I like the development of the younger players too, I feel like guys are improving. Parnell really improved a lot over the years and could be a serviceable starter in a a couple more, if not a really good swing tackle. That's just one example, hopefully they can get these safeties playing well by mid season, Wilcox is a guy that can help I think as well as Joseph Randle. Randle in the least would spark Murray because Murray has no fear of losing his job to Dunbar or Tanner. I say dress the kid give him 10 carries this week and hope for the best he has to have better vision then Murray, worst case scenario you have a pissed off Murray with a chip on his shoulder which could be a really good thing for us as cowboys fans. Terrance Williams is another young guy with development can really help this team as well as Escobar. So there is a lot to be excited about I think

 

[Risen Star]

That's true. But when you discuss the Cowboys' talent evaluation and talent acquisition process, it obviously matters. Isn't the draft just one element of that? Don't the Cowboys get credit for finding Selvie off of the scrap heap? Isn't that also a part of talent acquisition?

Yeah, I agree with that. I was referring to those that say UDFA should factor into a draft class.

 

[Rockport]

Yeah, I get that you have to have backups, but when your guard play sucks you wouldn't expect him to get playing time if he had ANY talent at all?

Not understanding what you're saying.

 

[Kaiser]

Yeah, I agree with that. I was referring to those that say UDFA should factor into a draft class.

If UDFA's don't factor in the draft class, then a separate category has to rate the team's performance on them. Since the Cowboys have four starters that were UDFA's, including two Pro Bowlers, they would have to get a very high score in that category.

Unless the grader has an agenda.

 

[ThreeandOut]

That's true. But when you discuss the Cowboys' talent evaluation and talent acquisition process, it obviously matters. Isn't the draft just one element of that? Don't the Cowboys get credit for finding Selvie off of the scrap heap? Isn't that also a part of talent acquisition?

I think there are 4 areas of talent acquisition that need to be evaluated separately: 1) the draft class, 2) undrafted rookie free agents, 3) free agents obtained during the free agency period, and 4) free agents obtained during the season to replace injured players.

 

[speedkilz88]

Seriously?

You can't figure it out?

It's because the guy simpler can't play and there is no reason he should be on an NFL roster. Despite stubborn,y keeping him on the roster, the team has done anything and everything to avoid playing him.

He has never set foot on the field for a meaningful NFL snap in his career. In fact, you can probably add up the number of times he's been active on one hand with several fingers to spare.

Actions speak louder than anything and when those actions include moving your RT to guard to avoid Arkin seeing the field, it tells you all you need to know.

If the player is of no help to you, he shouldn't be taking up a roster space. He's had more than enough time to develop and for whatever reason you would like to give, he hasn't.

Time to pull the plug.

Did you notice wk 1 the guy the gnats had at LG, Kevin Boothe? He's been a backup on their roster for a few years also and got his first start due to injury. He also got abused by Hayden and Hatcher, made Hayden look like an all-pro. All teams have an Arkin or Boothe as a young developmental backup.

 

[Risen Star]

If UDFA's don't factor in the draft class, then a separate category has to rate the team's performance on them. Since the Cowboys have four starters that were UDFA's, including two Pro Bowlers, they would have to get a very high score in that category.

Unless the grader has an agenda.

I agree with that.

 

[Stash]

Bradie James was also a fourth round pick and he never saw the field on defense his first two years. Miles Austin was rarely on the field his first two years and had a total of five catches coming into his third season. If the Leary and Waters got hurt and Arkin was starting right now, would it make him a better player?

Bradie James played in 14 games as a rookie and started two games his second year. He's not even in the same universe to be compared to Arkin.

And Austin at least played before he started. Neither is a valid comparison to he 0 production of Arkin.

And if Leary and Waters were hurt there wold be someone else other than Arkin playing guard for those team. Prior moves clearly show that.

 

[big dog cowboy]

All teams have an Arkin or Boothe as a young developmental backup.

That statement applies to other positions besides OL also.

 

[Stash]

I find that the decision to keep Arkin on the roster to be a fascinating thing. Seriously. We have hung on to him despite the fact that he has received no significant playing time in his first two years on the roster. Normally, a guy like that would be very expendable unless you really think he has major league upside. The problem with assuming that is a valid reason to keep him around is that as bad as our guard play has been if he had serious potential he should have gotten significant playing time over the past two years. There has to be something we are not accounting for. Maybe he has some compromising photos of members of the Cowboys organization or something. It is quite perplexing to understand it otherwise.

It most certainly is.

Given the great lengths the team has gone to in order to avoid activating or playing Arkin - at all costs - it begs the question of why they continue to beat this dead horse.

 

[Stash]

Did you notice wk 1 the guy the gnats had at LG, Kevin Boothe? He's been a backup on their roster for a few years also and got his first start due to injury. He also got abused by Hayden and Hatcher, made Hayden look like an all-pro. All teams have an Arkin or Boothe as a young developmental backup.

Take a better look at Kevin Boothe's career in the league, not comparable to the zeroes across the board that Arkin has produced.

An apples to oranges comparison.

 

[Maxmadden]

Drew Pearson and Everson Walls don't count.???.

 

[Kaiser]

Bradie James played in 14 games as a rookie and started two games his second year. He's not even in the same universe to be compared to Arkin..

Bradie James only played Special Teams his first year and never on defense, which is what I said. He may have gotten a little playing time in his second year but he is also the guy Bill Parcells described as "not being able to lift a Kleenex" when he first came into the NFL.

Some players take time to develop, especially OL. And if you watched the Phoenix preseason game, Arkin played pretty well in that game. He hasn't done anything to deserve the comments he gets here and there is no reason to cut him if the coaches think he will develop.