Cowboys trade 2014 6th rd pick for Chiefs 2014 7th rd pick and DE Edgar Jones

[fatboygixxer]

I am well aware of how terrible the special teams units have been.

I am of the mind that this hole could have been filled with a waiver claim. He's not going to contribute on the defense as a backup (and to the inevitable cries of how do you know? He hasn't contributed on defense in over three seasons - he's strictly a ST player).

Yes, I have no problem upgrading special teams. I just don't like making a trade for a completely one dimensional player, especially with the lack of depth on the lines.

What you failed to mention is the fact that he's not just a special teams player. He was the BEST on the Cheifs squad last year. How is this an issue?? Our ST play has been horrendous and they've instantly upgraded a phase of our game. Most late round picks don't even contribute on game day if they're lucky enough to make the team, and they damn sure aren't upgrading anything..

 

[RastaRocket]

Good trade, we get a pick and a player for a 6th. It's boring though.

 

[coult44]

I'll make both sides (pumpers & nancies) happy and mad in one reply.

The good news is for a special teams guy this guy can play, who cares about switching 6th and 7th round spots for this guy. We don't draft worth a "you know what" anyways. At least we get a NFL Vet. And I at least found one play that show's he hustles. Oh and he might have more Pick 6's than WIll Allen.
EDGAR JONES TOUCHDOWN

The bad news is this just proves the brass in the Cowboys office wants to prove they are right and the rest of the world is wrong about our depth and talent at OL and DL. This is the type of trade we should be making for any help at all in the trenches. WHY IN THE WORLD can't we go and pick up some help on the offensive line before it is tooooooooo freeeeeeeeeeeekin late?

 

[Tawney88]

What you failed to mention is the fact that he's not just a special teams player. He was the BEST on the Cheifs squad last year. How is this an issue?? Our ST play has been horrendous and they've instantly upgraded a phase of our game. Most late round picks don't even contribute on game day if they're lucky enough to make the team, and they damn sure aren't upgrading anything..

How is it an issue when your team decides to address special teams when both lines need help? Seriously? I better run franchise would address their needs along the lines. I better run franchise wouldn't trade picks for a Jag you could get off waivers.

 

[Idgit]

EDGAR JONES TOUCHDOWN

http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Edgar-Jones-for-TD/9ddf638e-33fd-477e-bc18-658895a0fae7

Nice find.

The bad news is this just proves the brass in the Cowboys office wants to prove they are right and the rest of the world is wrong about our depth and talent at OL and DL. This is the type of trade we should be making for any help at all in the trenches. WHY IN THE WORLD can't we go and pick up some help on the offensive line before it is tooooooooo freeeeeeeeeeeekin late?

It's almost like the team isn't concerned about these OL issues as some of our fans are. Really weird, because it's like they've spend all season working on their pass rush, coverage defense and taking the ball away, instead of just trading for some OGs. I can't fathom what they could be thinking.

 

[Tawney88]

Nice find.



It's almost like the team isn't concerned about these OL issues as some of our fans are. Really weird, because it's like they've spend all season working on their pass rush, coverage defense and taking the ball away, instead of just trading for some OGs. I can't fathom what they could be thinking.

They have no plan or idea on how to build a team. They are directionless. The FO isn't concerned about either line and that's an issue

We have huge concerns at DT our oline has been suspect for the last 4 years. We don't address those areas via trade but we address special teams? We don't even try to claim any in waivers.

You can't fathom what they are doing because they have no idea what they are doing.

 

[whynot]

How is it an issue when your team decides to address special teams when both lines need help? Seriously? I better run franchise would address their needs along the lines. I better run franchise wouldn't trade picks for a Jag you could get off waivers.

Who says we'd get him off waivers?

Also, who says any other team are willing to trade any OL/DL?

Finally who hasn't said that our special teams needed addressing?

 

[Tawney88]

Who say's we'd get him off waivers?

Also, who say's any other team are willing to trade any OL/DL?

Finally who hasn't said that our special teams needed addressing?

We could get any number of guys just like this guy off the street right now.

Put in a waiver claim, try, if you think this is a great move you haven't been paying attention to how this team has played.

Get guys off the street don't trade picks. It's beyond stupid.

 

[whynot]

We could get any number of guys just like this guy off the street right now.

Put in a waiver claim, try, if you think this is a great move you haven't been paying attention to how this team has played.

Get guys off the street don't trade picks. It's beyond stupid.

I have been paying attention to how this team has played, and I think this is a sensible move.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to how this team has been playing ST.

 

[Tawney88]

I have been paying attention to how this team has played, and I think this is a sensible move.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to how this team has been playing ST.

If you think special teams was or is the biggest issue with this team you haven't been paying attention.

 

[FiveRings]

I don't have anything to prove that he won't be a fit... Just a feeling is all.

If you feel like being negative, it's unfortunate that, we draft him at around 270, then he bulks to be a 3-4 End, gets to around 285, then we switch to 4-3, still want him to play end, then he gets hurt. A lot of body morphing and now a lot of laying around, that can never be a good thing.

 

[Idgit]

They have no plan or idea on how to build a team. They are directionless. The FO isn't concerned about either line and that's an issue

We have huge concerns at DT our oline has been suspect for the last 4 years. We don't address those areas via trade but we address special teams? We don't even try to claim any in waivers.

You can't fathom what they are doing because they have no idea what they are doing.

I think you really nailed this one! Thanks.

 

[Mr_Bill]

I am well aware of how terrible the special teams units have been.

I am of the mind that this hole could have been filled with a waiver claim. He's not going to contribute on the defense as a backup (and to the inevitable cries of how do you know? He hasn't contributed on defense in over three seasons - he's strictly a ST player).

Yes, I have no problem upgrading special teams. I just don't like making a trade for a completely one dimensional player, especially with the lack of depth on the lines.

Every 6th- or 7th-round draft pick needs to be able to play special teams, because only rarely is one able to contribute significantly to an offense or defense in their rookie year. If they can't play special teams, they do not make the team that drafted them. We just spent one of those picks on a guy we know not only contributes, but excels on special teams. Why is this such a problem? To me, if he as good on teams as reputed, I don't give a fig if he never plays a down on defense.

As to the question some have raised as to why do we have to trade for such a player, when KC can afford to trade him away? Well, perhaps KC has good special teams even without Jones. Perhaps they have not demonstrated over the course of the preseason that they suck at coverage and returns. Perhaps the Cowboys do not want to throw away games because their special-teams play is inept.

The Cowboys special-teams play has shown itself to be severely lacking and they have taken several steps to remedy the problem before the games actually count. They should be applauded for the effort not derided.

 

[Mr_Bill]

Every 6th- or 7th-round draft pick needs to be able to play special teams, because only rarely is one able to contribute significantly to an offense or defense in their rookie year. If they can't play special teams, they do not make the team that drafted them. We just spent one of those picks on a guy we know not only contributes, but excels on special teams. Why is this such a problem? To me, if he as good on teams as reputed, I don't give a fig if he never plays a down on defense.

As to the question some have raised as to why do we have to trade for such a player, when KC can afford to trade him away? Well, perhaps KC has good special teams even without Jones. Perhaps they have not demonstrated over the course of the preseason that they suck at coverage and returns. Perhaps the Cowboys do not want to throw away games because their special-teams play is inept.

The Cowboys special-teams play has shown itself to be severely lacking and they have taken several steps to remedy the problem before the games actually count. They should be applauded for the effort not derided.

As for the lack of depth on the lines, this move does not preclude addressing those areas. I suspect that after the first game, available veterans will be looked at to improve those areas.

 

[Plankton]

Every 6th- or 7th-round draft pick needs to be able to play special teams, because only rarely is one able to contribute significantly to an offense or defense in their rookie year. If they can't play special teams, they do not make the team that drafted them. We just spent one of those picks on a guy we know not only contributes, but excels on special teams. Why is this such a problem? To me, if he as good on teams as reputed, I don't give a fig if he never plays a down on defense.

As to the question some have raised as to why do we have to trade for such a player, when KC can afford to trade him away? Well, perhaps KC has good special teams even without Jones. Perhaps they have not demonstrated over the course of the preseason that they suck at coverage and returns. Perhaps the Cowboys do not want to throw away games because their special-teams play is inept.

The Cowboys special-teams play has shown itself to be severely lacking and they have taken several steps to remedy the problem before the games actually count. They should be applauded for the effort not derided.

If the Cowboys did not have the depth issues on the lines, I would agree with this.

I would rather add a guy via a trade that can provide positional support (such as playing in the nickel/dime packages, or playing multiple positions) than adding a one dimensional player. Not knocking Jones' ability at all on coverage teams - I just would rather that they found a guy on waivers, and make a trade for a guy with greater versatility.

 

[Mr_Bill]

If the Cowboys did not have the depth issues on the lines, I would agree with this.

I would rather add a guy via a trade that can provide positional support (such as playing in the nickel/dime packages, or playing multiple positions) than adding a one dimensional player. Not knocking Jones' ability at all on coverage teams - I just would rather that they found a guy on waivers, and make a trade for a guy with greater versatility.

I have addressed this issue in a reply to my own post.

Basically, you can't fix every issue with one move.

I fully agree that the defensive line needs to be addressed. I am not so sure that we don't already have enough on the offensive line. At any rate, even on the defensive line the issue is depth. That can wait until after the first game, when we can pick up a veteran who will be better than any waiver claim and we won't have to insure his salary for the entire year.

 

[Plankton]

I have addressed this issue in a reply to my own post.

Basically, you can't fix every issue with one move.

I fully agree that the defensive line needs to be addressed. I am not so sure that we don't already have enough on the offensive line. At any rate, even on the defensive line the issue is depth. That can wait until after the first game, when we can pick up a veteran who will be better than any waiver claim and we won't have to insure his salary for the entire year.

Agreed on not fixing every issue with one move, but finding a player with some versatility better positions you for the rigors of a season. Kyle Bosworth is a good example. He's a player who will contribute on special teams, but can back up the OLB positions, and has recent starting experience (started five games a season ago).

With the DL, I wouldn't have a problem with locking in a salary for the year if the pro personnel department finds a player who will contribute in the rotation. Adding a player such as a Marvin Austin is not problematic since he is on his first contract, and is basically making the minimum.

 

[fatboygixxer]

How is it an issue when your team decides to address special teams when both lines need help? Seriously? I better run franchise would address their needs along the lines. I better run franchise wouldn't trade picks for a Jag you could get off waivers.

A more knowledgable fan would know that this was a good move, a more knowledgable fan wouldn't cry about the staff trading a low pick for an instant contributor, a more knowledgable fan would know that after week one salaries are not guaranteed so there's no reason to assume we're done in FA...

 

[davey999]

We are going into the season with Nick Hayden, Ben Bass and Landon Cohen at DT.

How is this not a major problem?

 

[Idgit]

We are going into the season with Nick Hayden, Ben Bass and Landon Cohen at DT.

How is this not a major problem?

What's more, how is our DL coach telling broadcasters in private meetings that, overall, this might be the best group of DLs he's ever worked with? Where's the disconnect?