Cowboys tweets 8/25

[Idgit]

That Bobby Belt is low-functioning.

 

[John813]

I'll take Bey Bey but I'm biased.

He was the receiver i wanted in 2010

 

[Sydla]

Still not worth the money. That’s why he’s being moved.

He’s an upper echelon WR with a 12MM cap hit.

Well worth the money.

 

[Sydla]

That Bobby Belt is low-functioning.

He’s spot on.

Only a fool would compare the two staffs at this point.

The one clear difference is that Pederson was largely an unknown before last year. Garrett has a substantial track record built up.

If Garrett pulls a Pederson and goes on a run and wins the SB in 2018, it would be a large outlier on his resume.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Honestly, that title belongs solely to Tom Brady at this point

 

[Idgit]

He’s spot on.

Only a fool would compare the two staffs at this point.

The one clear difference is that Pederson was largely an unknown before last year. Garrett has a substantial track record built up.

If Garrett pulls a Pederson and goes on a run and wins the SB in 2018, it would be a large outlier on his resume.

None of that is very accurate.

But I’m more critical of Belt’s logic than I am of his conclusion here. He’s got a track record of saying dumb things and not defending them. Or defending them poorly. This was just one example.

 

[Sydla]

None of that is very accurate.

But I’m more critical of Belt’s logic than I am of his conclusion here. He’s got a track record of saying dumb things and not defending them. Or defending them poorly. This was just one example.

What’s not accurate?

1) Pederson was an unknown. He had one year head coaching experience before last year.

2) Garrett has a substantial track record now having coached for 7 full seasons.

3) Winning a SB would be an outlier on the resume of a coach who has one playoff win in 7 seasons.

Not sure what’s inaccurate about what I said.

 

[jterrell]

FWIW, somewhat likely it ends streak this year.
14 guys make 20M+ this year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/quarterback/

1

Jimmy Garoppolo $37,000,000 15.86%
2

Matthew Stafford $26,500,000 14.61%
3

Derek Carr $25,000,000 13.53%
4

Joe Flacco $24,750,000 13.71%
5

Andrew Luck $24,400,000 12.57%
6

Drew Brees $24,000,000 13.52%

Kirk Cousins $24,000,000 12.57%
8

Russell Wilson $23,786,666 13.38%
9

Ben Roethlisberger $23,200,000 12.80%
10

Eli Manning $22,200,000 12.50%
11

Philip Rivers $22,000,000 12.23%

Tom Brady $22,000,000 12.21%
13

Cam Newton $21,500,000 11.84%
14

Aaron Rodgers $20,562,500 11.35%

 

[HungryLion]

What’s not accurate?

1) Pederson was an unknown. He had one year head coaching experience before last year.

2) Garrett has a substantial track record now having coached for 7 full seasons.

3) Winning a SB would be an outlier on the resume of a coach who has one playoff win in 7 seasons.

Not sure what’s inaccurate about what I said.

You’re right, but Nobody will care about the outlier though. Winning a super bowl trumps all.

Even the best of best coaches don’t usually win a championships that often.

 

[jterrell]

What’s not accurate?

1) Pederson was an unknown. He had one year head coaching experience before last year.

2) Garrett has a substantial track record now having coached for 7 full seasons.

3) Winning a SB would be an outlier on the resume of a coach who has one playoff win in 7 seasons.

Not sure what’s inaccurate about what I said.

Garrett was Coach of the year in 2016, Pederson in 2017.
Each had a poor season in the one they did not win.
Pederson is 20-12 in 2 regular seasons. Garrett 22-10 in the same period.

Pederson obviously won a Super Bowl and had playoff success Garrett never has as a head coach but to say the two staffs are a milluion miles apart is just kneejerk one year result nonsense.

Dallas has a DL Coach/DC and a DB/Co-DC who have won Super Bowls as coaches.

 

[The Natural]

I'll take Bey Bey but I'm biased.

He was the receiver i wanted in 2010

You must be thinking of someone else. Bey was drafted in 2009...that was the year we didnt have a first...because somebody thought it was a good idea to trade that pick for Roy Williams...remember?

 

[jterrell]

His contract is not bad at all now. You can cut him if you want after this year and only take a 2MM dead money hit. Denver has already eaten the bad money years on the contract.

He’s also been amuck better WR and healthier than Bryant the last few years.

A few seasons a ago when he was healthy and Dez wasn't sure but last year no he wasn't. Last year he was marginally better than Bryant with more targets.

Thomas would cost you 12M this year and another 2.2 to cut him.
So you'd eat 14.2M for one season.
That's not good or fruitful for a team viewing the picture long term.

 

[The Natural]

Garrett was Coach of the year in 2016, Pederson in 2017.
Each had a poor season in the one they did not win.
Pederson is 20-12 in 2 regular seasons. Garrett 22-10 in the same period.

Pederson obviously won a Super Bowl and had playoff success Garrett never has as a head coach but to say the two staffs are a milluion miles apart is just kneejerk one year result nonsense.

Dallas has a DL Coach/DC and a DB/Co-DC who have won Super Bowls as coaches.

Marinelli rode HOFers in Tampa, Richards had one of the most dominant secondaries (defenses in general) we've seen this side of 2000. You're never going to hear any of the Eagles position groups from last year being associated with all-time greatness which is a testament to their coaches, starting with Pederson. Their staff is clearly lightyears ahead.

 

[jterrell]

Marinelli rode HOFers in Tampa, Richards had one of the most dominant secondaries (defenses in general) we've seen this side of 2000. You're never going to hear any of the Eagles position groups from last year being associated with all-time greatness which is a testament to their coaches, starting with Pederson. Their staff is clearly lightyears ahead.

That is simply untrue.
The Eagles last year had the best OL in football and a very good DL led by a future Hall of Famer in Fletcher Cox.
Marinelli had Hall of Fame talent that excelled in his scheme and he went other places and had players likewise excel on the DL.
He was a terrible head coach and likely not much better as a DC but as a DL Coach he will go into the Hall of Fame as one of the best of all-time.

 

[Idgit]

You’re right, but Nobody will care about the outlier though. Winning a super bowl trumps all.

Even the best of best coaches don’t usually win a championships that often.

If you’re not Belichick, Super Bowl wins are hard to come by. But Garrett’s had or tied for the best record in the NFC twice in the past four years. With two different QBs.

We need to stop pretending that the team with the best coaching wins the Super Bowl. It’s often not the case.

 

[The Natural]

That is simply untrue.
The Eagles last year had the best OL in football and a very good DL led by a future Hall of Famer in Fletcher Cox.
Marinelli had Hall of Fame talent that excelled in his scheme and he went other places and had players likewise excel on the DL.
He was a terrible head coach and likely not much better as a DC but as a DL Coach he will go into the Hall of Fame as one of the best of all-time.

Neither line is collectively associated with being all time great

 

[jterrell]

Marinelli rode HOFers in Tampa, Richards had one of the most dominant secondaries (defenses in general) we've seen this side of 2000. You're never going to hear any of the Eagles position groups from last year being associated with all-time greatness which is a testament to their coaches, starting with Pederson. Their staff is clearly lightyears ahead.

And to be clear before he was named Eagles head coach Pederson was a glorified QB coach who had followed almost Andy around never being a true OC/playcaller. Then he went 7-9 year 1. So he turned that around in a massive way with a title but he is not some long term proven guy. Anyone thinking that Eagles staff is top 5 is doing so based on 1 year4 of NFL football which is the way to be very wrong most of the time.

 

[jterrell]

Neither line is collectively associated with being all time great

They aren't done playing yet.

 

[The Natural]

And to be clear before he was named Eagles head coach Pederson was a glorified QB coach who had followed almost Andy around never being a true OC/playcaller. Then he went 7-9 year 1. So he turned that around in a massive way with a title but he is not some long term proven guy. Anyone thinking that Eagles staff is top 5 is doing so based on 1 year4 of NFL football which is the way to be very wrong most of the time.

Who would you rather have as a head coach Garrett or Pederson?

 

[jterrell]

Who would you rather have as a head coach Garrett or Pederson?

I don't know. Pederson is unproven outside one season and all the gambling he did only paid off because they were dominant along that front.
I have no idea if he is a team builder or great game caller over time.

I am very meh on Garrett.

Most people consider Roseman the guy who gets primary credit for that trophy. He loaded them with an insane amount of talent (though likely to the detriment of future seasons).