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[50cent]

I think it's been that way since JG. I don't think it's always been that

Hard to separate the two when they've been together so long. They are married for better or worse!

 

[Corso]

Thank you Harris for saying what I've been saying for a long time now! The problem with this offense is they read inside out! When your team is built around a slow footed TE of course your burners are not going to look like they are open. That is why we have so many improv plays. God I hate JG

I can see inherent problems with what's going on here.

You have a point. What's weird is this:

Watch the play charts where Romo throws the ball- the vast, vast majority of his throws go to the outside of the hashmarks.

So what does that say?

 

[WoodysGirl]

Progressions are usually meant to be read from one direction to another. But when you are reading inside out there is no flow to the progression. IMO this is a huge issue with the offense.

I think that if Dez was the guy running that inside route and was the first read you probably wouldn't have as much of an issue with that logic. JMO, of course.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I can see inherent problems with what's going on here.

You have a point. What's weird is this:

Watch the play charts where Romo throws the ball- the vast, vast majority of his throws go to the outside of the hashmarks.

So what does that say?

Witten's Covered. But I think that the design of a TE should be the safety valve or 2nd read depending on where he is lined up. But if your primary target by design is the TE your system is flawed. Especially when it comes to reads as a QB. If it's a "progression" it should be a smooth transition. This could explain some of Romo's chaotic looking plays instead of it looking fluid and smooth

 

[CowboyStar88]

I think that if Dez was the guy running that inside route and was the first read you probably wouldn't have as much of an issue with that logic. JMO, of course.

WG I think you are missing the point. It's not the one play. It's the design of the offense. I've never heard a team that runs it's progression reads from the inside out with maybe the patriots being the lone exception. Romo isn't Brady lets call it for what it is. How many teams by design have your TE as the #1 read and progress from snide out? This has zero to do with Dez and all to do with JG and his scheme

 

[jobberone]

Progressions are usually meant to be read from one direction to another. But when you are reading inside out there is no flow to the progression. IMO this is a huge issue with the offense.

Romo is going to be looking at specific receivers based on his presnap reads. So his progressions will likely be different based on the formation, play called and defensive alignment. And in this instance they said Romo told them ahead of time what the defense would do. He knew ahead of time where the ball was going. So did Harris.

 

[Corso]

Witten's Covered. But I think that the design of a TE should be the safety valve or 2nd read depending on where he is lined up. But if your primary target by design is the TE your system is flawed. Especially when it comes to reads as a QB. If it's a "progression" it should be a smooth transition. This could explain some of Romo's chaotic looking plays instead of it looking fluid and smooth

Cogent point. I agree. I do wonder why two smart, professionally paid and trusted men who have been a part of the NFL in many capacities cannot make things easier for their offense.

I'm not being a snark on this. I really mean it. Some big brains are behind this- why can't they recognize the obvious weaknesses and improve upon them?

It's in their best interest to do so. Are they seeing things differently? I don't doubt it, but I do doubt what they're seeing is THAT different from what we;re seeing.

Serious, serious questions. I truly wish I had the answer. I'd freely offer it if I did.

 

[WoodysGirl]

WG I think you are missing the point. It's not the one play. It's the design of the offense. I've never heard a team that runs it's progression reads from the inside out with maybe the patriots being the lone exception. Romo isn't Brady lets call it for what it is. How many teams by design have your TE as the #1 read and progress from snide out? This has zero to do with Dez and all to do with JG and his scheme

I think the assumption is thinking that the TE is the #1 read for every call. I don't think that's the case, at all. But if they do, it may go back to the whole 2-TE offense that's never gotten jumpstarted.

That said, there's no way we can know Romo's reads on every call, but it'll be interesting to kinda track that tidbit going forward.

 

[CowboyStar88]

Cogent point. I agree. I do wonder why two smart, professionally paid and trusted men who have been a part of the NFL in many capacities cannot make things easier for their offense.

I'm not being a snark on this. I really mean it. Some big brains are behind this- why can't they recognize the obvious weaknesses and improve upon them?

It's in their best interest to do so. Are they seeing things differently? I don't doubt it, but I do doubt what they're seeing is THAT different from what we;re seeing.

Serious, serious questions. I truly wish I had the answer. I'd freely offer it if I did.

Here I feel like JG is trying to outsmart everyone. That's why you are seeing what you are seeing. There really isn't an answer and I think JG has done more harm to Romo then good as a QB. I feel like he's to involved and doesn't see things clearly because he is always looking at this thing from a QB instead of looking at it as a coach and what really works.

IMO this is a huge reason why everything looks so Chaotic and unorganized. How many times have we seen this thing just hum and look smooth? Only 1 time this year I can think of. But what do I know? I never feel confident in what this offense is doing because it's so all over the place from play design to play call to pre-snap to read.

 

[Corso]

Here I feel like JG is trying to outsmart everyone. That's why you are seeing what you are seeing. There really isn't an answer and I think JG has done more harm to Romo then good as a QB. I feel like he's to involved and doesn't see things clearly because he is always looking at this thing from a QB instead of looking at it as a coach and what really works.

IMO this is a huge reason why everything looks so Chaotic and unorganized. How many times have we seen this thing just hum and look smooth? Only 1 time this year I can think of. But what do I know? I never feel confident in what this offense is doing because it's so all over the place from play design to play call to pre-snap to read.

I won't dispute you, my friend. You just may be right.
The only thing that should be holding the offense back is the OL.
I was too small to play football, unfortunately- but somehow I overcame that and was a pretty good basketball player so I did get my taste of organized sports.

I know from my experience that coaches only wanted one thing- wins. Not proof of their genius- that came with wins.

It's hard for me to think that a coach would put his ego ahead of the team because his ego rides with the team's success.

I admit: Your answers are just as good as mine on this subject and I can find no dispute with you. There are definitely issues. That is definite.

 

[dupree89]

Any answers on why they didn't run the ball? Is the media afraid to ask why they didn't run the ball?

The people that cover the Cowboys on a day to day basis seem to be really afraid to put someone on the spot. Especially the head coach. It generally goes like this...

they ask a very vague question that can be answered 100 ways.
Garrett gives his standard "well, yes and no...."
And then no follow up question is asked.

So yeah, I think they are a afraid or intimidated.

 

[Nav22]

Psst... Witten's a monster. The more balls thrown his way when he's open, the better.

 

[Hoov]

Just to add, Ben Rogers was in the locker room talking to players after the game and Dez told him that romo was more fired up Than he was on that final drive, said it fired him up. He also said wr group let the team down today and that romo knew exactly what the Vikings defense was going to do....said he was telling them what they were going to do.

Romo has the talent to win every week. He's on a young team offensively, he will need to be the guy to keep the other guys focused and fired up. I'm glad to read that comment by dez. Hope romo can build on that and be the guy to keep lighting fires under the guys butts.

 

[Hoov]

Dez taking his helmet off during a game is on the coaches, period! He's been in the NFL long enough to know that.

That is on the player. He has played long enough to know. Do u want Garrett to bench him with the must win game on the line ? Coaches tell ayers things all the time and they still go out and in the moment do exactly what they have been coached not to do.

 

[Corso]

The people that cover the Cowboys on a day to day basis seem to be really afraid to put someone on the spot. Especially the head coach. It generally goes like this...

they ask a very vague question that can be answered 100 ways.
Garrett gives his standard "well, yes and no...."
And then no follow up question is asked.

So yeah, I think they are a afraid or intimidated.

Terrible journalism, if that's the case.

I should show up with my Blickensderfer typewriter and show them how it's done old-school style.

A journalist's job is to get to the bottom of things.

That died a long time ago... It died after Watergate when people in power learned they actually have to fear the press- so they neutered it.

Sorry- I'm going off the range.

 

[dupree89]

If these guys played in a Northeast city like Philly, NY, Boston, they would be shredded by the media. Thats the GM, the head coach, the QB and everyone else.

 

[coult44]

Just to add, Ben Rogers was in the locker room talking to players after the game and Dez told him that romo was more fired up Than he was on that final drive, said it fired him up. He also said wr group let the team down today and that romo knew exactly what the Vikings defense was going to do....said he was telling them what they were going to do.

Who cares if Romo knew what the defense was going to do. The defense knew what we were going to do.....It was possibly the worst display of play calling that there ever has been in the history of the NFL. It reminded me of a high school coach who just discovered the spread offense.

 

[Kevinicus]

Who cares if Romo knew what the defense was going to do. The defense knew what we were going to do.....It was possibly the worst display of play calling that there ever has been in the history of the NFL. It reminded me of a high school coach who just discovered the spread offense.

The final drive was a bad display of playcalling?

 

[Oh_Canada]

We keep harping on this, but I really think this offense needs to stop with all the pre-snap baloney and snap the ball. At least on occassion.

I watched parts of two other games today, the Eagles and the Pats. Now Foles is no Brady, but it was extremely rare (count on one hand) for either to have less than three seconds on the play clock before the ball was in their hands. There were several times where Brady barely made it under center.

 

[Picksix]

Dez taking his helmet off during a game is on the coaches, period! He's been in the NFL long enough to know that.

No, it's really not. There are 53 professional, grown men on every team. Most have been playing their whole lives. At some point, they're the ones that need to be held accountable. If it's a new rule for that year, I can understand, but if it's been around for awhile, players have been told, and they really have no excuse.