Cowboys wanted to draft a RB in 2015

[Galian Beast]

It took 20+ years mainly because we didn't prepare for life without Aikman...all those parts will still be here with one glaring exception. Romo fell into our laps as an UDFA and the influence of Sean Payton. The team has never had to answer for replacing Aikman until an UDFA showed he was franchise QB? I don't want to bet on that happening again...

This is a huge misnomer.

Even after Aikman went down they didn't invest heavily in the QB position, that was the issue. Not that they didn't groom someone while Aikman was still here. That is something that is extremely difficult to do and outside of a few times, we rarely see that happen with franchises.

Wasting resources on a QB who won't play until their rookie contract is up, is not good strategy.

 

[Stash]

This is a huge misnomer.

Actually, your post is the misnomer.

Even after Aikman went down they didn't invest heavily in the QB position, that was the issue. Not that they didn't groom someone while Aikman was still here. That is something that is extremely difficult to do and outside of a few times, we rarely see that happen with franchises.

They immediately scrambled to use a second round pick - the highest trader Jerry had left after the Joey Galloway debacle - to roll the dice on Quincy Carter, with the expected horrible results.

They then tried to cheat the system again with baseball failures like Drew Henson (3rd round pick) and Chad Hutchinson, with the expected horrible results.

Bill Parcells then tried to correct it by signing his aging, former quarterbacks in Testaverde and Bledsoe. Only the good fortune of Sean Payton bringing in Romo has gotten them off of the merry-go-round of futility. And since finding that diamond in the rough, the Cowboys have done little or nothing again to plan for their future, with the expected horrible results. How soon some people forget.

Wasting resources on a QB who won't play until their rookie contract is up, is not good strategy.

And now, some people want to "waste resources" on one of the most common-found commodities in football with the #4 overall pick?

Most of the league doesn't even draft running backs in the first round and yet some people want the Cowboys to do it at #4?

In a league where Sam Bradford will make $18 million this year and the top free agent running back costs $5-$6 million, some people want to draft a running back at #4? And pay that guy over $4 million a year?

In a league where teams don't even get a shot at mediocre quarterbacks, some people want to draft a running back at #4?

Really?

 

[ConstantReboot]

If they wanted to draft a runningback why didn't they? Seriously there was still good value on runningbacks in 2015 up until the 5th round.

I still don't get why we choose Chaz Green? He could have been gotten in the later rounds and saying they "wanted to draft" a runningback is nothing more than smokescreen for an excuse.

 

[Galian Beast]

Actually, your post is the misnomer.



They immediately scrambled to use a second round pick - the highest trader Jerry had left after the Joey Galloway debacle - to roll the dice on Quincy Carter, with the expected horrible results.

They then tried to cheat the system again with baseball failures like Drew Henson (3rd round pick) and Chad Hutchinson, with the expected horrible results.

Bill Parcells then tried to correct it by signing his aging, former quarterbacks in Testaverde and Bledsoe. Only the good fortune of Sean Payton bringing in Romo has gotten them off of the merry-go-round of futility. And since finding that diamond in the rough, the Cowboys have done little or nothing again to plan for their future, with the expected horrible results. How soon some people forget.



And now, some people want to "waste resources" on one of the most common-found commodities in football with the #4 overall pick?

Most of the league doesn't even draft running backs in the first round and yet some people want the Cowboys to do it at #4?

In a league where Sam Bradford will make $18 million this year and the top free agent running back costs $5-$6 million, some people want to draft a running back at #4? And pay that guy over $4 million a year?

In a league where teams don't even get a shot at mediocre quarterbacks, some people want to draft a running back at #4?

Really?

Using a 2nd round draft pick certainly doesn't guarantee you a franchise QB, especially when 1st rounder doesn't and by all accounts they reached on Quincy Carter.

They used a 3rd rounder on Henson, which again isn't a huge investment, and he was one of the most highly recruited player in the country for football.

Chad Hutchinson wasn't a great investment.

And again you prove my point, Parcells brought in retreads, he didn't go after a top free agent QB or try trading for a QB or drafting a QB in the first round.

And again, I never said we should draft a RB at 4. I'd like to trade down and draft one, but there have been quite a few successful running backs drafted in the first round.

The top free agent rb will cost about 6 million this year, because it is a weak year for running backs.. How much did Murray get last year... exactly...

 

[BigStar]

This is a huge misnomer.

Even after Aikman went down they didn't invest heavily in the QB position, that was the issue. Not that they didn't groom someone while Aikman was still here. That is something that is extremely difficult to do and outside of a few times, we rarely see that happen with franchises.

Wasting resources on a QB who won't play until their rookie contract is up, is not good strategy.

That is also very true regarding the post Aikman (lack of resources leading us to wait 7 years until finally lucking into Romo) era. But those two 1st rounders to Galloway while JJ was going "all in" on Aikman also didn't help the team use draft picks to pick up a QB after he was cut. I don't see Romo being healthy for 5 straight seasons...

 

[Galian Beast]

That is also very true regarding post Aikman era. I don't see Romo being healthy for 5 straight seasons...

He might not be healthy for 5 straight seasons, and I certainly think we should invest in a proper backup QB, but I don't think we should invest heavy resources on replacing Romo such as a 4th overall draft pick, who won't take the reins from Romo for the near future. One of the best values in a rookie quarterback is the cost relative to the salary cap, once they are a veteran QB their cost increase exponentially, especially if they have the talent to take over a franchise. Seattle and San Francisco were able to field strong teams with cheap quarterbacks while they focus resources on their defenses. Pittsburgh did the same. Kansas City originally brought Alex Smith there as a game manager where they had an elite defense and running back.

 

[BigStar]

He might not be healthy for 5 straight seasons, and I certainly think we should invest in a proper backup QB, but I don't think we should invest heavy resources on replacing Romo such as a 4th overall draft pick, who won't take the reins from Romo for the near future. One of the best values in a rookie quarterback is the cost relative to the salary cap, once they are a veteran QB their cost increase exponentially, especially if they have the talent to take over a franchise. Seattle and San Francisco were able to field strong teams with cheap quarterbacks while they focus resources on their defenses. Pittsburgh did the same. Kansas City originally brought Alex Smith there as a game manager where they had an elite defense and running back.

I here you strongly, but I'm more concerned with our team's ability to draft/sign FAs to fully accomplish that form of a team; great D/heavy Run O. Our D is filled with holes outside of Lawrence, Scan, Lee, and Crawford.

I'm truthfully more concerned with Romo's back and whether he can repeat that insane 3rd down efficiency that he accomplished in the 12-4 method. We didn't go deep much but were exceptionally efficient when we did. It seemed the team lagged in the Playoffs offensively and they stuck with the run heavy/3rd down efficiency method but didn't go deep until desperation called for it (Dez catch).

 

[Galian Beast]

I here you strongly, but I'm more concerned with our team's ability to draft/sign FAs to fully accomplish that form of a team; great D/heavy Run O. Our D is filled with holes outside of Lawrence, Scan, Lee, and Crawford.

I'm truthfully more concerned with Romo's back and whether he can repeat that insane 3rd down efficiency that he accomplished in the 12-4 method. We didn't go deep much but were exceptionally efficient when we did. It seemed the team lagged in the Playoffs offensively and they stuck with the run heavy/3rd down efficiency method but didn't go deep until desperation called for it (Dez catch).

I'm not that concerned. They were able to do it just a year ago. We just need to be able to re-establish that running game. That's why I think running back is the biggest key to making this team function (after a healthy Romo and Bryant). We've got all the other pieces already.

Drafted a qb at #4 does nothing to help this defense. Getting a running back absolutely does (note: I'd still like to trade down and get the rb)

Romo's back hasn't given him any issues in the last two years. He says his back is feeling extremely strong. I'm not concerned there. Romo doesn't have a structural issue with his back.

 

[BigStar]

I'm not that concerned. They were able to do it just a year ago. We just need to be able to re-establish that running game. That's why I think running back is the biggest key to making this team function (after a healthy Romo and Bryant). We've got all the other pieces already.

Drafted a qb at #4 does nothing to help this defense. Getting a running back absolutely does (note: I'd still like to trade down and get the rb)

Romo's back hasn't given him any issues in the last two years. He says his back is feeling extremely strong. I'm not concerned there. Romo doesn't have a structural issue with his back.

That first half of the GB game frustrated me to the core. Why didn't they attack when we were lucking into Rodger's injury causing him to become inefficient. We did nothing with those opps; why not use that great deep pass efficiency?. Why not go deep and use Dez to attack that weakness? It was right there all game and we waited until the end of the game to finally let Romo loose. This seemed to me like the team was hiding Romo (back) and a bad D, not just the bad D anymore.

We also forget how we squeaked by CAR the week before as if that game wasn't as close and debated as it was.

 

[Galian Beast]

That first half of the GB game frustrated me to the core. Why didn't they attack when we were lucking into Rodger's injury causing him to become inefficient. We did nothing with those opps; why not use that great deep pass efficiency?. Why not go deep and use Dez to attack that weakness? It was right there all game and we waited until the end of the game to finally let Romo loose. This seemed to me like the team was hiding Romo (back) and a bad D, not just the bad D anymore.

We also forget how we squeaked by CAR the week before as if that game wasn't as close and debated as it was.

I don't think they are hiding Romo, we've seen him air it out when they need him to. If anything we have an overly conservative head coach and we saw that with Romo's backups.

Do you mean Detroit? And that is why I would suggest adding more offensive fire power in the draft as well.

 

[BigStar]

I don't think they are hiding Romo, we've seen him air it out when they need him to. If anything we have an overly conservative head coach and we saw that with Romo's backups.

Do you mean Detroit? And that is why I would suggest adding more offensive fire power in the draft as well.

Yeah, meant DET. tks. Romo can still improvise @ the line and post snap with the best of them, when healthy (why JG still has a job). I'm not as convinced he is as healthy (why would he or team admit it?) and the 4 year plan seems exaggerated seeing how hard it was just to get him through 2014 (ribs/back). I've seen JJ do this with another QB he was infatuated with. I think that is where my pick for Goff stems from and still believe it is the right choice when drafting this high. I will admit that Aikman's decline was clear as day to some but JJ gave him 1 more year out of loyalty(cap) whereas Romo it is planning for the future more so. We can still pick up a back in top 3 rds that will beat out McFadden but obv not of the caliber of Elliott.

 

[Stash]

Using a 2nd round draft pick certainly doesn't guarantee you a franchise QB, especially when 1st rounder doesn't and by all accounts they reached on Quincy Carter.

They used a 3rd rounder on Henson, which again isn't a huge investment, and he was one of the most highly recruited player in the country for football.

Chad Hutchinson wasn't a great investment.

And again you prove my point, Parcells brought in retreads, he didn't go after a top free agent QB or try trading for a QB or drafting a QB in the first round.

And the results were terrible. If your point is not to pass on a quarterback, yes, this proves it.

And again, I never said we should draft a RB at 4. I'd like to trade down and draft one, but there have been quite a few successful running backs drafted in the first round.

You're still advocating passing on a quarterback - the hardest position to acquire - in order to use that first round pick on a running back - the easiest position to acquire. That argument is fundamentally flawed.

The top free agent rb will cost about 6 million this year, because it is a weak year for running backs.. How much did Murray get last year... exactly...

No it isn't. Nobody's getting paid what Murray got because they all know how badly that turned out for the Eagles.

 

[Galian Beast]

And the results were terrible. If your point is not to pass on a quarterback, yes, this proves it.



You're still advocating passing on a quarterback - the hardest position to acquire - in order to use that first round pick on a running back - the easiest position to acquire. That argument is fundamentally flawed.



No it isn't. Nobody's getting paid what Murray got because they all know how badly that turned out for the Eagles.

What quarterback would have had us take in the draft towards the end of Aikman's career?

Is running back the easiest position to get? Or is it that running backs get more opportunities to show their abilities than quarterbacks who have limited reps?

Nobody is getting paid what Murray got because no one produced like Murray did last year and is a free agent this year...

 

[guag]

Drafting a RB at 4 is crazy.

The Raiders would probably agree with that... lol.

 

[Stash]

What quarterback would have had us take in the draft towards the end of Aikman's career?

There was zero effort made at all. And it cost the team dearly.

Is running back the easiest position to get? Or is it that running backs get more opportunities to show their abilities than quarterbacks who have limited reps?

What can you get in this league and what can't you get? Ask yourself that. Can I get a running back? No doubt. But you can't even get mediocre or disappointing quarterbacks like Sam Bradford. I could get the league's leading rusher last year and the 2 no leading rusher this year. I can't even get a mediocre quarterback.

Nobody is getting paid what Murray got because no one produced like Murray did last year and is a free agent this year...

His contract was above what teams are willing to pay, and it blew up in the Eagles' face.

 

[Galian Beast]

There was zero effort made at all. And it cost the team dearly.



What can you get in this league and what can't you get? Ask yourself that. Can I get a running back? No doubt. But you can't even get mediocre or disappointing quarterbacks like Sam Bradford. I could get the league's leading rusher last year and the 2 no leading rusher this year. I can't even get a mediocre quarterback.



His contract was above what teams are willing to pay, and it blew up in the Eagles' face.

Notice you didn't answer the question.

How many teams have elite running backs?

 

[UncleBlazer]

They wanted a mid rounds RB lol.

I see most here want Elliot, but I looked at both and Henry is by far the best back, and his size and style will transfer
to the pros, and Elliot will probably turn out like the guy who NO drafted, and then he went to detroit, forget his name.

Elliot is too small, and only has speed which will fade as he gains weight.

My prediction is Henry will make the biggest impact of rookie RB's in 2016.

Dallas wont pick high for a RB. and if they do it might be elliot.

I take it you have no idea who Ezekiel Elliot is. Too small??? Really???

 

[visionary]

I take it you have no idea who Ezekiel Elliot is. Too small??? Really???

Ok Zeke, calm down
Most of us are not into picking you at # 4

'kay?

 

[UncleBlazer]

Ok Zeke, calm down
Most of us are not into picking you at # 4

'kay?

My apologies miss dandydon52. I never said one way or another if I was in favor of drafting him at #4. However I was pointing out that Zeke is simply not 'too small'. He may not be worth the #4 pick but it's not because he's a small speed back which is what was implied.
'Kay??

 

[visionary]

My apologies miss dandydon52. I never said one way or another if I was in favor of drafting him at #4. However I was pointing out that Zeke is simply not 'too small'. He may not be worth the #4 pick but it's not because he's a small speed back which is what was implied.
'Kay??