Cowboys wanted to draft a RB in 2015

[Nightman]

My apologies miss dandydon52. I never said one way or another if I was in favor of drafting him at #4. However I was pointing out that Zeke is simply not 'too small'. He may not be worth the #4 pick but it's not because he's a small speed back which is what was implied.
'Kay??

6' 225lbs is not too small at all

Running a 4.4 at that size is very impressive in fact

He would be my dream RB, I just don't know how we get him at 4 without missing on a QB

 

[Zekeats]

It took 20+ years mainly because we didn't prepare for life without Aikman...all those parts will still be here with one glaring exception. Romo fell into our laps as an UDFA and the influence of Sean Payton. The team has never had to answer for replacing Aikman until an UDFA showed he was franchise QB? I don't want to bet on that happening again...

So who is your pick?

 

[UncleBlazer]

6' 225lbs is not too small at all

Running a 4.4 at that size is very impressive in fact

He would be my dream RB, I just don't know how we get him at 4 without missing on a QB

I'm there too. If they feel Goff, Wentz, or Lynch is a franchise QB you have to take them. You don't get that chance very often. But if they don't see any of the 3 as franchise material you won't find many more talented and ready to play now and make a difference than Zeke.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I still don't get why we choose Chaz Green? He could have been gotten in the later rounds

I keep reading that yet no one can prove it. You can't that is the point so how do you know it's true?

 

[Stash]

Notice you didn't answer the question.

What question was that? I'll be happy to answer whatever question you have.

How many teams have elite running backs?

How many truly needed them? We can talk about the pedigree of the quarterbacks from the playoff teams vs the pedigree of their running backs, but I can assure you it will only make this case of yours look even worse.

 

[BigStar]

So who is your pick?

Goff @ 4.

 

[Verdict]

Drafting a RB at 4 is crazy. Overdrafting, overvaluing, reaching whatever word you want to use they all apply.

People said the same thing about FredBeard. The question is if the player grades out or not. If he is the next Tomlinson or Peterson, draft him and don't look back. I would take Gurley at #4 if he was in this draft and not look back.

 

[Verdict]

Derrick Henry RB Alabama

STRENGTHS
Derrick Henry is as big and as impacting as an Amtrak train. He will crash into any player in his way before he will allow just one player to tackle him. He runs the ball between the tackles with the power, strength and attitude that reminds me of former Bengals running back Corey Dillon who was 6’1” 225 Lbs. Derrick can run the ball outside the tackles because of his power and strength and his ability to break tackles once he is past the line of scrimmage; however, running between the tackles and keeping his shoulders square to the line of scrimmage will allow Derrick to impact at a high level. He shows good balance and shifty enough feet to sidestep the 1st tackler or change direction when needed at the line if his blockers have been stacked up. He is an instinctive running back and with his size, strength, quick feet and attitude not to be tackled, Derrick is a wrecking crew all on his own. He can make players miss him in the hole, but will not be the type of running back who will make a lot of yardage on his own with shifty moves in the open field. Derrick is an excellent blocker on third downs and, with his ability to catch the ball, will be the type of back you will not have to substitute for on third downs. If you think the Packers RB Eddie Lacy is an impact player, think of a bigger version of him with the same talents because that’s what your running game will be once your team selects Derrick (Amtrak) Henry.

CONCERNS
Derrick will need blocking in front of him as all running backs (even Marshawn Lynch) need, but once he gets to the second level, it will be very hard for one player to tackle him. The excuse that he doesn’t make his own yards because of a lack of shiftiness is true, but in his defense, all running backs no matter what size or speed need blocking in front of them. If you’re looking for a scat back, don’t draft Derrick.

TALENT BOARD ROUND: 1
Eddie Lacy is listed at 5’ 11” 234 with excellent athletic talent. Derrick is listed at 6’ 3” 245 as of this writing with excellent athletic talent and football intelligence -- you do the math. It’s true that Derrick will not get much yardage all by himself in the open field with a lot of shifty moves that break the ankles of a player who is about to tackle him. But if you got a good run blocking offensive line you would be a fool to pass on drafting Derrick as early as I suggest because all he does is give you the THREAT of a running game every time he is in a game. Most defenses will be forced to put 8 and 9 in the box to stop him and even with that, it will be very hard to stop him from making first downs and yardage in LARGE chunks. Say want you want about the NFL being a passing league; if you don’t have the THREAT of a solid running game, your team most likely will not reach the playoffs, much less the Super Bowl. Derrick gives you that threat the day after you select him. So go ahead, down grade the running back position all you want -- I challenge you to find a running back in this draft with the size, speed, ability to block, hands to catch the ball, football intelligence and leadership skills that Derrick possesses. For the cherry on top, he is so big and talented you could use him as an H-back as well as a running back (hint, hint)!

I haven't watched Henry all that much, so I don't know a lot about him, he is a pretty big boy. If he has speed, then he sounds a little bit like Steven Jackson. If you get Steven Jackson production out of him, you pull the trigger, but he also sounds like Brandon Jacobs, and I wouldn't draft Jacobs at all. LOL.

 

[big dog cowboy]

People said the same thing about FredBeard. The question is if the player grades out or not. If he is the next Tomlinson or Peterson, draft him and don't look back. I would take Gurley at #4 if he was in this draft and not look back.

Don't disagree especially about the grade. But Elliott won't have the 4th highest grade on the Cowboys draft board.

 

[Galian Beast]

What question was that? I'll be happy to answer whatever question you have.



How many truly needed them? We can talk about the pedigree of the quarterbacks from the playoff teams vs the pedigree of their running backs, but I can assure you it will only make this case of yours look even worse.

What QB would you have used one of our first round draft picks on to replace Aikman?

As for pedigree vs pedigree. Again it isn't apples to apples. We already have a QB. We don't have an elite RB, and we don't have an elite defense. You generally need two of the three.

 

[DandyDon52]

My apologies miss dandydon52. I never said one way or another if I was in favor of drafting him at #4. However I was pointing out that Zeke is simply not 'too small'. He may not be worth the #4 pick but it's not because he's a small speed back which is what was implied.
'Kay??

Ok thanks, to be honest, I only watched 1 highlight reel on youtube, of him and henry, and he did seem like his main attributes
were speed and vision.
In college his size is ok, but it may not be ok in NFL. So he does seem to me like a speed back.
Henry is bigger and has a smooth big stride, and pretty good speed, so I can see him being a power back and all purpose back.
I saw him breaking tackles and run thru guys, but zeke didnt.

Dallas needs a power back more than they need a speedy back. just my opinion.
Plus all backs tend to gain weight once in NFL, and with that they lose some speed, so with zeke you wind up with a
avg smaller back.

 

[DandyDon52]

. We already have a QB. We don't have an elite RB, and we don't have an elite defense. You generally need two of the three.

I agree, the RB, a good one with size, would make a huge impact in 2016.
If they get the right one.

 

[Stash]

What QB would you have used one of our first round draft picks on to replace Aikman?

Thanks to the Galloway failure, we didn't have first rounders for 2000 or 2001.

As for pedigree vs pedigree. Again it isn't apples to apples. We already have a QB. We don't have an elite RB, and we don't have an elite defense. You generally need two of the three.

Another bait and switch attempt as expected. Fail.

 

[Nightman]

Don't disagree especially about the grade. But Elliott won't have the 4th highest grade on the Cowboys draft board.

What if he had the 8th best grade and no one wants to trade up?

 

[Galian Beast]

Thanks to the Galloway failure, we didn't have first rounders for 2000 or 2001.



Another bait and switch attempt as expected. Fail.

The Galloway move certainly failed, but you don't necessarily expect a player to go down with an ACL injury in week 1. Things happen, and that don't work out.

With Aikman Galloway and Ismail, this team would have been back on the right track. It just didn't pan out, but it was the logical move to make at the time. Especially when you consider that any time you make these picks, you already start off with probably a 40 percent or 50 percent chance of busting.

Yes, bait and switch is you not thinking things through... totally my fault...

 

[Galian Beast]

I agree, the RB, a good one with size, would make a huge impact in 2016.
If they get the right one.

I think with Ezekiel Elliott, we would have a dominate running game throughout Romo's tenure, and it would allow us to focus on fixing the defense for the next few years. Ezekiel Elliot is the best pick we can make for our defense.

 

[Stash]

The Galloway move certainly failed, but you don't necessarily expect a player to go down with an ACL injury in week 1. Things happen, and that don't work out.

With Aikman Galloway and Ismail, this team would have been back on the right track. It just didn't pan out, but it was the logical move to make at the time. Especially when you consider that any time you make these picks, you already start off with probably a 40 percent or 50 percent chance of busting.

No, it was still a dumb move to give up two 1st round picks for any wide receiver. And the only team dumb enough to overpay for that position anywhere close to that happens to be these same Cowboys, for Roy Williams. Another colossal failure.

Yes, bait and switch is you not thinking things through... totally my fault...

Run from the facts! Run! Run! Run!

This thread, like the other are failures. You should just give it up and move on before you dig the hole my deeper.

 

[Galian Beast]

No, it was still a dumb move to give up two 1st round picks for any wide receiver. And the only team dumb enough to overpay for that position anywhere close to that happens to be these same Cowboys, for Roy Williams. Another colossal failure.



Run from the facts! Run! Run! Run!

This thread, like the other are failures. You should just give it up and move on before you dig the hole my deeper.

If Galloway doesn't get hurt, you probably get a super bowl or two out of it. Worth the risk every time. You over value draft picks just like you over value drafting QBs high.

The irony is hilarious here...

 

[Stash]

If Galloway doesn't get hurt, you probably get a super bowl or two out of it. Worth the risk every time. You over value draft picks just like you over value drafting QBs high.

The irony is hilarious here...

Yeah, it is. You're the first person to try to accuse someone else of 'revisionist history' and then you come off with stuff like this!

Self-awareness is not a strength of yours. Right up there with facts and history.

 

[Nightman]

If Galloway doesn't get hurt, you probably get a super bowl or two out of it. Worth the risk every time. You over value draft picks just like you over value drafting QBs high.

The irony is hilarious here...

Without the trade we could have had Shaun Alexander and Drew Brees.