Crawford signs 5 year extension

[AbeBeta]

Why would anyone care about anything other than the cap hit?

because they don't understand nothin'?

 

[AbeBeta]

I think we're going to be looking at this as a steal by the middle of the season.

Better if we see it as a steal in 2017

 

[YosemiteSam]

because they don't understand nothin'?

Because they're fat.

 

[Rockport]

I have never seen a forum so giddy over extending an average player like this.N oone outside of the Cowboy fan base even talks about Crawford as a top defensive lineman.You are extending him on the hopes he becomes worthy of a bigger contract. I would have let him play out his rookie contract.

Well that shows your lack of ability to evaluate talent. Crawford is worth every penny he got. Don't understand how ignorant fans strictly base their evaluations on stats. That and what they hear, or don't hear in this case, from the national media.

 

[Rockport]

I would have let him play out his rookie contract before signing him to an extension. Too damn risky signing players on what you "hope" they will become.

They didn't sign him in hope of what he will become but on what he is now. Do you not watch the games? If you do then you have no clue about football. Crawford is a force and once he has other players on the line to help him you'll see his stats reflect.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think Crawford is definitely worth re-signing. $9M/year. That is a little steep. Ratliff's deal was a steal, this not so much. A lot more that Ratliff got and Crawford is definitely not Ratliff.

 

[Nightman]

I think Crawford is definitely worth re-signing. $9M/year. That is a little steep. Ratliff's deal was a steal, this not so much. A lot more that Ratliff got and Crawford is definitely not Ratliff.

I guarantee he won't try to fight JJones and then quit on us. And the jury is still out on who is better.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I guarantee he won't try to fight JJones and then quit on us. And the jury is still out on who is better.

I believe that, but my point is thus far, he hasn't been a $9M/year player. Though he definitely is skyrocketing up the value ladder.

 

[speedkilz88]

Just like when Romo signed and now his contract looks puny, in a couple of years Crawford will be underpaid.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Just like when Romo signed and now his contract looks puny, in a couple of years Crawford will be underpaid.

Okay, I get what you're saying, That said, Romo and Crawford. Not the same thing. I see Crawford like Russell Maryland. Romo is definitely better than Russell Maryland.

 

[Idgit]

I think we're going to be looking at this as a steal by the middle of the season.

It's obviously a good deal now. I think people who want him to show them more than he did last year are only looking at sack totals.

This is already a good young player. The sacks will come with more (any) outside pressure.

 

[plasticman]

And you would've signed Murray? It's funny how 1 great season changes everything, because before last year no one saw Murray as a franchise back. We all know if the Cowboys would've given Murray what the Eagles gave him and he bottomed out, we'd be talking about how Jerry still overpays for overrated players.

One season?

He ran for 253 yards in his very first start as a rookie in 2011. He averaged over 8 yards a carry in his first four starts combined. He ran for over 700 yards in his first seven starts. That's when I was thinking franchise back.

How many of you realized that he was the 3rd leading receiver for the Cowboys during his four years here?

Where was this offensive line when he was a rookie? Most of them were college sophomores and juniors.

Last season actually lowered his career average for yards per carry. Before he had the benefit for this illustrious O-line in 2015, he was averaging 4.95 yards a carry. He was averaging 1153 yards per season in combined rushing and receiving.

In his 2nd season he played behind an offensive line of 5 starters that had never before played their position for the Cowboys. Tyron Smith and Doug Free switched sides and the interior was brand new. He got hurt his first two years? Of course he did, they all did playing behind that line. He was their RB when this line was being rebuilt.

What if?.......what if Murray was more responsible for the success of the running game than an O-line composed of a rookie, two 2nd year players, a 6th round pick and Tyron?

Did you know that the majority of the Cowboys offensive linemen in the early 90's had been on that team for years before Emmitt Smith showed up? In Emmitt's rookie year Nate Newton had been on the team for 4 years, Mark Tuinei for 7, Kevin Gogan for 3. Stepnoski was in his 2nd year. All of them had multiple Pro Bowls, all after Emmitt joined the team, none before.

And never trust sports analysts that are way too proud of the C- they got in "Statistics for Journalism Majors". The data they use to justify the belief that RB's that carry that many times in one season decline is tragically flawed. They used only the upper bound of RB's, the ones that had more carries than Murray, up to 24 more carries. If they had used his carries as the median, or midpoint and included those that had up to 24 less then it would have been a fair representation. He would be in the middle of the data sample, not the extreme low end.

What you would have then is a list of some of the most successful RB's in NFL history, including guys like Emmitt Smith (multiple times), Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson (multiple times), John Riggins, Marcus Allen, and Curtis Martin. Each one of them had carries within only 22 of DeMarco Murray

What is done is done, I understand a decision had to be made. However, don't fool yourselves into thinking that Murray was an average back or he is easily replaceable. He is neither but these are the days of a salary cap and the Cowboys have to move forward. Progress is typically two steps forward and one step back. Losing Murray was the step back. Fortunately the Cowboys have made many steps forward. We'll find out just how many beginning tomorrow night.

And don't even think for a second that I won't be rooting for my Cowboys to destroy Murray and the Eagles!

 

[Kaiser]

The sacks will come with more (any) outside pressure.

And Vice Versa. We saw sacks from guys like Randy Gregory and Ryan Russell in the preseason that were all about the DTs collapsing the pocket. No doubt that will continue in the regular season, especially when Hardy returns and Gregory has his feet wet.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Yet we couldn't afford Murray lol.

Who said that? No one that I recall.

 

[Corso]

One season?

He ran for 253 yards in his very first start as a rookie in 2011. He averaged over 8 yards a carry in his first four starts combined. He ran for over 700 yards in his first seven starts. That's when I was thinking franchise back.

How many of you realized that he was the 3rd leading receiver for the Cowboys during his four years here?

Where was this offensive line when he was a rookie? Most of them were college sophomores and juniors.

Last season actually lowered his career average for yards per carry. Before he had the benefit for this illustrious O-line in 2015, he was averaging 4.95 yards a carry. He was averaging 1153 yards per season in combined rushing and receiving.

In his 2nd season he played behind an offensive line of 5 starters that had never before played their position for the Cowboys. Tyron Smith and Doug Free switched sides and the interior was brand new. He got hurt his first two years? Of course he did, they all did playing behind that line. He was their RB when this line was being rebuilt.

What if?.......what if Murray was more responsible for the success of the running game than an O-line composed of a rookie, two 2nd year players, a 6th round pick and Tyron?

Did you know that the majority of the Cowboys offensive linemen in the early 90's had been on that team for years before Emmitt Smith showed up? In Emmitt's rookie year Nate Newton had been on the team for 4 years, Mark Tuinei for 7, Kevin Gogan for 3. Stepnoski was in his 2nd year. All of them had multiple Pro Bowls, all after Emmitt joined the team, none before.

And never trust sports analysts that are way too proud of the C- they got in "Statistics for Journalism Majors". The data they use to justify the belief that RB's that carry that many times in one season decline is tragically flawed. They used only the upper bound of RB's, the ones that had more carries than Murray, up to 24 more carries. If they had used his carries as the median, or midpoint and included those that had up to 24 less then it would have been a fair representation. He would be in the middle of the data sample, not the extreme low end.

What you would have then is a list of some of the most successful RB's in NFL history, including guys like Emmitt Smith (multiple times), Walter Payton, Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson (multiple times), John Riggins, Marcus Allen, and Curtis Martin. Each one of them had carries within only 22 of DeMarco Murray

What is done is done, I understand a decision had to be made. However, don't fool yourselves into thinking that Murray was an average back or he is easily replaceable. He is neither but these are the days of a salary cap and the Cowboys have to move forward. Progress is typically two steps forward and one step back. Losing Murray was the step back. Fortunately the Cowboys have made many steps forward. We'll find out just how many beginning tomorrow night.

And don't even think for a second that I won't be rooting for my Cowboys to destroy Murray and the Eagles!

You remind me of The Emperor and his endless regaling of Felix Jones.

I can see his goofy Joker avi now...

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

He won't be signed at all if both of those players look legit.

And what makes you think Hardy would settle for a 2-3 year deal?

Maybe he likes it here ? Playing for the Cowboys .

 

[Pessimist_cowboy]

When would you have signed him, buddie?

Well, it's what they do. It all started when Crawford was the only legitimate prospect we had. Our DL was crap. He had potential so he quickly became a future pro bowler.

He's been a decent player. I think he's still an emerging player. I don't think we've seen his best. Now whether he'll be worth that contract, I don't know. I would not have signed him right now but I can't say this is a definite mistake.

Well you don't wait till he's reached Elite Money , he was outstanding last year. His numbers dont tell how good he was. He controlled that line of scrimmage .

 

[Corso]

Well you don't wait till he's reached Elite Money , he was outstanding last year. His numbers dont tell how good he was. He controlled that line of scrimmage .

Umm... Yeah. What he said.
Why was I quoted?

 

[AzorAhai]

Seeing the deal as a whole, I can't really complain about it. I love the fact that the extension didn't kick in immediately for cap reasons. It also explains why the total value is a little higher than most expected. Average out the 6 years and its around 7.5 million per season. Thats pretty close to what I expected him to get with the fully guaranteed portion close also. Glad he's locked up now. If he comes anywhere close to what people think, this should be a pretty sizable discount.

 

[plasticman]

You remind me of The Emperor and his endless regaling of Felix Jones.

I can see his goofy Joker avi now...

But you can't dispute it. I'm not telling anybody they have to like it, just don't deny it. Anybody who wants to kill the messenger, go ahead, just trying to keep it real.

Look, for all we know, Murray could go down on his first carry, out for the season. But that doesn't erase the facts. Any player could go down at any point in any game, that's the reality. But let's be honest about the situation. The salary cap means hard choices.

Did we get rid of DeMarcus Ware because he wasn't productive or because he was an average DE? No. The Cowboys just made the decision that they didn't want to sacrifice that much of cap for a player that had two or three good years left. If we did then we probably couldn't have signed about 2 to 5 players that are productive for us and will continue to be.

The Cowboys don't want to pay a lot of money at a position that they don't consider critical. They don't want to put all their eggs in one basket, I get that. But, again, let's not rewrite history and say the guy was average or irrelevant. he will be missed but the Cowboys will compensate at other positions, they already have.