Crayton and Holley: Jason Garrett sabotaged Wade Phillips (audio)

[birdwells1]

the running back was trying to show off, instead of stepping out of bounds with 60 yards to go, tried to go through 2 defenders....sometimes its difficult to cover for players stupidity. like what happened in the Detroit game last year with Tanner..he was suppose to make a run up the middle to get the clock running, don't fumble, don't commit penalty. instead the RB decided to run it to the outside, where the OL man held his man and got a 10 yard penalty.

Pure speculation.

 

[OhSnap]

this is going 15 pages

Nice call.

 

[Nation]

Take the sack and go into the locker room down 3-0, but really this boils down to the oc's decision to actually run a play instead of taking a knee. Neither Choice nor Romo should have been put in that situation.

Throwing a completed pass where you can't get hit and fumble makes a lot more sense than to take a sack.

 

[birdwells1]

Throwing a completed pass where you can't get hit and fumble makes a lot more sense than to take a sack.

Really? After seeing the result?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Detroit game I fault Garrett. Im sick of his 3 and outs which puts the defense is a position to lose it. Denver game during crunch time was as much as Garrett as with Romo. Garrett sucks at handling time management. Why the urge to pass deep in your territory when you have a ton of time to spare on the clock? He could have run the ball instead.

Frankly, there is no worst coach in the NFL during crunch time than Garrett. We seem to blow a lot of close games when were in a lead or when we need a score. Garrett's indecision to do what is necessary to win during crunch time is the result of 8-8 seasons 3 years in a row.

he is pretty bad in game time management, but in the Denver game, they scored 51 points and we were behind. and the passing was working. and we had only rushed for an average of less than 4 yards a carry. with one of the runs being a 13 yarder. take that one out and we averaged less than 3 yards a carry. so probably in a lot of 2nd and long situations. not sure if that would have been my strategy.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So your blaming the QB for running the play as what its intended to be? Garrett should have taken the knee and not get cute.

yes I am blaming the QB. Romo lacks game time situation management. he has to understand the situation better and manage the plays he is suppose to run. that's every freaking QB in the league. y the intent is to go deep. if not there, throw it away. don't get cute. Romo tends to get cute. and we have had some stupid players, like Choice and Tanner and yes, its garrett's responsibility to coach these players and make sure they understand. I saw westbrook play against us and one time go down at the 1 and give up a TD, so they could run out the clock and win the game. that's smart. I saw choice try to break through two freaking defenders and fumble the ball and give up a TD. I saw tanner was suppose to run in the middle to keep the clock going and instead he breaks the play outside. stupid.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Pure speculation.

no not pure speculation. see my response above. Westbrook while in philly goes down at the 1, to keep the clock going and win the game instead of giving it back to dallas. choice is 60 yards away, with two defenders in front of him and he tried to break through the tackle and not protect the ball. that's stupid.

this is the same choice he thought of himself as a starter and in the same pedigree as Emmitt smith!!!

 

[birdwells1]

no not pure speculation. see my response above. Westbrook while in philly goes down at the 1, to keep the clock going and win the game instead of giving it back to dallas. choice is 60 yards away, with two defenders in front of him and he tried to break through the tackle and not protect the ball. that's stupid.

this is the same choice he thought of himself as a starter and in the same pedigree as Emmitt smith!!!

First, show me the the evidence of him "showing off" that you stated, you still haven't.

Secondly, not saying that he didn't say it but show me the quote where Choice thought of himself in the same pedigree as Emmitt Smith.

I'm calling bs until shown otherwise.

 

[skinsscalper]

Since we had heard from you in a minute, skinsscalper. lol

Dude's willing to wager his sig and avatar on his prediction. I've yet to see a gloom and doomer on here do it. A lotta mouth and a lack of balls on that crew. Could care less what the guy posted before. He's willing to put up. I noticed he didn't have any takers on his offer. Weird.

 

[ConstantReboot]

he is pretty bad in game time management, but in the Denver game, they scored 51 points and we were behind. and the passing was working. and we had only rushed for an average of less than 4 yards a carry. with one of the runs being a 13 yarder. take that one out and we averaged less than 3 yards a carry. so probably in a lot of 2nd and long situations. not sure if that would have been my strategy.

Denver was playing pass all the way. They knew where the pass was going. Top that off with a good play. Frankly, we went to the well too much times. Like I mentioned before, our options was that we could have and should have run the ball. Thus I place some of the blame on that on Garrett. Romo carries this team. Garrett on the other hand, would be nothing if it weren't for Romo.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Fasinating stuff. As aven8 said, the way Garrett has proven to be such a blame-dodging politician, this wouldn't surprise me a bit. Either way, handing out entire new playbooks is bizarre to say the least.

And for everyone launching ad hominems against Crayton... Parcells pretty much loved him. I'll take his judgment over the Red Trainee's any day.

You have a good point. Redball has never taken the blame for anything that has gone wrong with the team.

 

[Proximo]

You have a good point. Redball has never taken the blame for anything that has gone wrong with the team.

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You may find this link interesting.

 

[ConstantReboot]

yes I am blaming the QB. Romo lacks game time situation management. he has to understand the situation better and manage the plays he is suppose to run. that's every freaking QB in the league. y the intent is to go deep. if not there, throw it away. don't get cute. Romo tends to get cute. and we have had some stupid players, like Choice and Tanner and yes, its garrett's responsibility to coach these players and make sure they understand. I saw westbrook play against us and one time go down at the 1 and give up a TD, so they could run out the clock and win the game. that's smart. I saw choice try to break through two freaking defenders and fumble the ball and give up a TD. I saw tanner was suppose to run in the middle to keep the clock going and instead he breaks the play outside. stupid.

So Romo lacks time situation management? Thats Garretts fault and responsibility, not Romo. You already stated that Garrett was terrible at time situation management.

if you don't want Romo to get cute then the coach should say so. The coach is utterly responsible for a play which he designed and coached his team, to make sure things happen the way they should. Garrett sucks at that. He doesn't help Romo manage the game. He doesn't tell Romo advice to make sure things don't happen. He absolutely runs away from responsibility during crunch time and relies on Romo to do the rest.

Thats why I miss Parcells. He was always engaged in the game. He knew what was going on. He let his team know what to do or what not to do during situations. Garrett doesn't do anything like that. He lets Romo be Romo. Thus the reason why Garrett sucks.

 

[TheDude]

Popeye's is the standard. Much better than KFC.

El Pollo Loco. Deal with it

 

[Nation]

Really? After seeing the result?

Yes. A quarterback is more likely to be stripped for a fumble on a sack than a running back is

 

[birdwells1]

Yes. A quarterback is more likely to be stripped for a fumble on a sack than a running back is

I guess we both agree that a play shouldn't have been ran in that situation.

 

[Nation]

I guess we both agree that a play shouldn't have been ran in that situation.

For sure. The original post that I replied to said the QB should have been smart enough to throw the ball away if the play wasn't there. I was simply pointing out that Romo did his job on it.

 

[khiladi]

so with a few second to go, you want a take a shot at a checkdown? with the defense in prevent mode instead of taking a shot down field? lets keep it as close to the line of scrimmage as possible so we have to run the other 65 yards...so your proposal is that we were defeated, so lets just lie down and admit defeat. why fight back at all? right? its not like no team in NFL has never taken a wild arse shot at the end of the half or the game. yep. totally new concept. awesome. excellent approach to team management.

Did I say the check-down was the primary read? Man, this gets more and more comical... First of all, does one think Romo can chuck a ball 70 plus yards that they should even be taking a risk? Secondly, who designed the play that if the deep ball wasn't there, then Romo was to throw the check-down? And why would somebody take a risk when the game is close and you have no need to? Oh yeah, a coach like Garrett...

 

[ConstantReboot]

Did I say the check-down was the primary read? Man, this gets more and more comical... First of all, does one think Romo can chuck a ball 70 plus yards that they should even be taking a risk? Secondly, who designed the play that if the deep ball wasn't there, then Romo was to throw the check-down? And why would somebody take a risk when the game is close and you have no need to? Oh yeah, a coach like Garrett...

It still amazes me that a mediocre coach such as Garrett can get so much support and love in this forum and around other sites as well. You get rid of Garrett you get rid of a major cog in some of the problems that are hindering Dallas onto becoming a better team.

 

[khiladi]

we scored 17 against the giants. so did the all time best offense in the superbowl. we gave up 14 in last minute of each half. they went through our prevent defense like hot knife throw butter. hold them to at least a field goal and we win the game.

LOL.. What games are you watching? You know what was funny about this game. We went up 17-14 in the 3rd on the legs of Barber, with a quarter and a half to go. Guess what happened then? 5 drives by the Cowboys, where the running game was totally abandoned. 28 plays during that span, only 5 touches by Marion Barber. Out of the 5 times he ran, 4 of them on first down. Do you know how much down and distance the offense put itself in during that pitiful stretch of Jason Garrett genius?

Your whole argument is that it was Wade's fault. We played them twice and in our division. We scored 45 and 31 both times against them. It was 14-14 going into the half after two busted plays by an old and done Anthony Henry and a sucky Jacques Reeves, two players that had nothing to do with personnel moves by Wade and they had nothing to do with the coverage, considering both men were right there to make a play, but old man couldn't tackle on a short pass and Jacques Reeves couldn't play the ball.

The defense gave them a total of 230 yards, 140 yards passing and 90 yards rushing. We could only muster a whopping 3 points in the second half. The offense had 6 drives. The Giants got to 21 at the beginning of the 4th, with Dallas only down by 4. The Giants only mustered 2 more drives and both of them were 3 and outs.