Crayton, Copper, Crowder

[DMX690]

It's not about depth at WR, for crying out load.

Parcells wants to run the ball 35 times a game. We want to control the clock and play field position football. That puts a premium on special teams.

Key and Glenn are not going to be playing on ST, but Parcells will be expecting some plays on ST from #3-5.

We run the ball 35 times, you have Key, Glenn, Witten, the RBs, and Crayton all getting throws. How many balls are going to go to that #3/4 WR?

Price is a recognizable name who had one good year, he is not a make or break our season player.

Yeah Price is not a make or break player for this team, but he does provide a insurance policy. If he's willing to sign at a reasonble price and is willing to earn a job. I don't see why he wouldn't be a good signing.

 

[Smith22]

It's not about depth at WR, for crying out load.

Parcells wants to run the ball 35 times a game. We want to control the clock and play field position football. That puts a premium on special teams.

Key and Glenn are not going to be playing on ST, but Parcells will be expecting some plays on ST from #3-5.

We run the ball 35 times, you have Key, Glenn, Witten, the RBs, and Crayton all getting throws. How many balls are going to go to that #3/4 WR?

Price is a recognizable name who had one good year, he is not a make or break our season player.

TG has 120 more catches and 3 more TD's than Price despite being in the league 4 years longer.

TG is injured often.

Crayton has 1 season under his belt with 12 catches.

Crowder and Copper are still fighting to make the team. More than likely, only one of them will make it at WR. Parcells has said Crowder needs to quit diving at guys on special teams, hardly sounds like he is the end all be all on special teams. Yeah, I saw his blocked punt.

Price clearly makes the WR position much better on our team, especially considering Glenn and KJ aren't getting any younger. More guys on our team are capable of playing on special teams besides our WR's.

Why all the fuss? No one said signing him makes or breaks our team. He just improves it, unless you want to assume Glenn stays healthy the rest of his stay in Dallas and you are counting on Crayton to catch 50+ balls a year because of one preseason. Yeah, he has shown promise and I hope he makes it, but we have no idea right now whether he can carry it over and make it happen during a 16 game season.

 

[PaEagleHater]

How can it hurt, if we get him cheap? What do we have to lose? If he is no better then Crayton big deal.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Has he came near those numbers in any other season, yes or no?

Why would Atlanta take the big cap hit if there were no issues?

As Spags would say, "If he's so good why is he available?"

Whether he's had another season of that caliber or not, it still doesn't mean its statistically honest to just throw numbers away at your discretion. Just like I can't throw away his worst season.

Besides, silly rabbit, everyone knows that if you're truly worried about outliers effecting your average, then the best thing you can do is use the median method to get an average.

Do you want to do a median comparison between Morgan and Price?

Price .. 54 catches, 800 yards per season
Morgan .. 35 catches, 474 yards per season

Quite a bit of difference, if you ask me. Especially considering Morgan is unhappy here.

And actually, the Falcons saved $2 million against the cap this year by cutting Price. That's what they owed him in base salary for this season. Its not until 2006 that they have to eat the accelerated 5.7 million remaining on the signing bonus, and his base salary that year would have been 4.4 ... so, really, the net cost against the cap is only $1.3.

Which reminds me, speaking of nets ... I don't think this has been metioned before, if we want to do a net cost of what it takes to upgrade from Morgan to Price you have to subtract the $1 million in base salary Morgan was going to make this year that the Cowboys are no longer obligated to pay from whatever Price signs for. As long as we release Morgan, its basically like getting an automatic $1 million dollar rebate for the purchase of a Peerless Price.

As to why the Falcons cut him, obviously he's not a #1 WR and he was getting paid #1 WR money. The didn't want to pay him #1 money if he couldn't do the job. The good thing is that the Cowboys won't be asking him tobe a #1 WR. If he'll just put up his median average, I'll be more than happy. And if he truly is the reason for the Falcons inability to have a legitimate passing attack, we'll soon see if another Falcons WR tears it up this year in his absence. My money is on no.

As it is, if signing a released veteran player to provide depth is truly a crime, then the Aaron Glenn signing is truly horrible. He doesn't play special teams either. And neither does Anthony Thomas for that matter, at least not noticably well. I don't remember such an outcry when they were signed.

 

[Smith22]

As it is, if signing a released veteran player to provide depth is truly a crime, then the Aaron Glenn signing is truly horrible. He doesn't play special teams either. And neither does Anthony Thomas for that matter, at least not noticably well. I don't remember such an outcry when they were signed.

Since they were available, they must stink right?:

 

[jay cee]

Whether he's had another season of that caliber or not, it still doesn't mean its statistically honest to just throw numbers away at your discretion. Just like I can't throw away his worst season.

Besides, silly rabbit, everyone knows that if you're truly worried about outliers effecting your average, then the best thing you can do is use the median method to get an average.

Do you want to do a median comparison between Morgan and Price?

Price .. 54 catches, 800 yards per season
Morgan .. 35 catches, 474 yards per season

Quite a bit of difference, if you ask me. Especially considering Morgan is unhappy here.

And actually, the Falcons saved $2 million against the cap this year by cutting Price. That's what they owed him in base salary for this season. Its not until 2006 that they have to eat the accelerated 5.7 million remaining on the signing bonus, and his base salary that year would have been 4.4 ... so, really, the net cost against the cap is only $1.3.

Which reminds me, speaking of nets ... I don't think this has been metioned before, if we want to do a net cost of what it takes to upgrade from Morgan to Price you have to subtract the $1 million in base salary Morgan was going to make this year that the Cowboys are no longer obligated to pay from whatever Price signs for. As long as we release Morgan, its basically like getting an automatic $1 million dollar rebate for the purchase of a Peerless Price.

As to why the Falcons cut him, obviously he's not a #1 WR and he was getting paid #1 WR money. The didn't want to pay him #1 money if he couldn't do the job. The good thing is that the Cowboys won't be asking him tobe a #1 WR. If he'll just put up his median average, I'll be more than happy. And if he truly is the reason for the Falcons inability to have a legitimate passing attack, we'll soon see if another Falcons WR tears it up this year in his absence. My money is on no.

As it is, if signing a released veteran player to provide depth is truly a crime, then the Aaron Glenn signing is truly horrible. He doesn't play special teams either. And neither does Anthony Thomas for that matter, at least not noticably well. I don't remember such an outcry when they were signed.

excellent posts Inman. What I find amazing is how so many of these guys rip Vick for being a glorified running back. And then turn around and blast Price for not catching a lot of passes.

That makes no sense to me.

 

[Jarv]

If you want football answers ask us. If you want Nors opinion, ask him.

You guys actually go to games to see players live ! For shame...

I get my info from PFT, great stuff and those guys are cool. After all, there is that ole saying don't belive half and what you see and nothing of what you ??? Hear ?

Live games...sheesh.

 

[jterrell]

My point was that Crayton is as much a Fringe player as Romo is.....Crayton is backing up a position....just like Romo. Lets not turn this into a QB thread.

And my point is stop letting Nors run the argument

Patrick Crayton is NOT a fringe player. Stick to that and there really is no argument but knocking Price just gets you off on some weird tangent.

For instance I can say Marion Barber hasn't become the all time NFL leading rusher because he hasn't had a chance. Or me or you for that matter.

I really like Crayton alot. He's a hometown kid. Someone calling him a fringe player isn't gonna get him cut and my guess is within a few weeks no one will be calling that anymore. BUT he will have to prove in the regular season because everyone is onboard with where you and I seem to be already.

Its a really weird phenonem that Nors gets folks arguing things they don't even mean to argue. If he says the sky is blue and filled with cotton for some reason we will get 1000 threads about it not technically being blue; it being blue only during the day on clear days and everyone will ignore that its not made of cotton, ROFL.

 

[jterrell]

excellent posts Inman. What I find amazing is how so many of these guys rip Vick for being a glorified running back. And then turn around and blast Price for not catching a lot of passes.

That makes no sense to me.

You and Inman are making wayyyy to much sense for this thread.

 

[jterrell]

There were a lot of personal attacks in this thread and rather than handing out 3 day suspensions I am moving it to the opnion zone and offering a reminder not to call folks stupid or make any other direct personal attack that has to do with them and not their argument at the moment.

Guys we will be handling these things more seriously and the sticky at the top of the page is there for a reason please be respectful of each other here!!

Thanks.

 

[Nors]

Crayton is better than Copper, Crowder

Price is a #2 in this league. Let them compete and play the best.

 

[Nors]

geez - I logged off last night and this thread went South overnight!