Crayton, Copper, Crowder

[LaTunaNostra]

I meant the post between 68 and 70.

LOL

It's late, I'm dense, and with that number I might not want to get it anyway.

Good nite, all.

 

[SALADIN]

LOL

It's late, I'm dense, and with that number I might not want to get it anyway.

Good nite, all.

Giggle

g'night

 

[Smith22]

I think the question that most against signing Price are missing is, will adding Price make this a better team in terms of depth and talent?

And if your answer is no then maybe you have an agenda you're trying to champion.

I love what Crayton has done so far but if he is as good as many here think then he doesn't have anything to worry about.

The cream always rises to the top!

Agreed. I don't see why some people are so against bringing the guy in as long as we can agree on a salary that works for both sides; especially since Morgan hasn't stepped up and seems to want out already.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I think the question that most against signing Price are missing is, will adding Price make this a better team in terms of depth and talent?

And if your answer is no then maybe you have an agenda you're trying to champion.

I love what Crayton has done so far but if he is as good as many here think then he doesn't have anything to worry about.

The cream always rises to the top!

Great post. This really isn't rocket science. It shouldn't be anymore complicated or controversial than bringing in Aaron Glenn or Anthony Thomas. It just seems that there's a lot more personal agendas involved this time with an axe to grind .... for whatever reason.

And once again, if LeRoi Glover and Al Johnson have to fight off competition for their roles, Patrick Crayton is certainly not above it.

 

[blindzebra]

Great post. This really isn't rocket science. It shouldn't be anymore complicated or controversial than bringing in Aaron Glenn or Anthony Thomas. It just seems that there's a lot more personal agendas involved this time with an axe to grind .... for whatever reason.

And once again, if LeRoi Glover and Al Johnson have to fight off competition for their roles, Patrick Crayton is certainly not above it.

It's not just Crayton.

Are the 25 or 30 catches he will have worth the cap hit?

Does he make are special teams better or worse?

Would we just be replacing one malcontent...Morgan...for another?

Do we really want to have that deep throw in Drew "Let's hold it until the deep guy gets open" Bledsoe's mind?

Throw out the aberation year and here is what Price averages:

49 catches, 693 yards, 14.1 YPR, 3.8 TDs.

Morgan:

39 catches. 579 yards, 14.8 YPR, 3.8 TDs.

I'm not seeing the great upgrade myself.

 

[Smith22]

It's not just Crayton.

Are the 25 or 30 catches he will have worth the cap hit?

The stats you posted showed he averaged at least 49 a year. Where did 25 or 30 come from?

Does he make are special teams better or worse?

If you are comparing him to Morgan, I would say better because he has returned punts before.

Would we just be replacing one malcontent...Morgan...for another?

Are you guessing here? Didn't some recent article say he contacted us because he is interested? It's clear now that Morgan has no interest in being here from his comments. How does that compare to Price being interested in being a Cowboy and playing with Bledsoe?

 

[InmanRoshi]

We don't know what his cap hit will be, so its hard to say whether its cap prohibitive or not. Its been proven on this board before that sometimes people get carried away with projecting what a player will cost when they have a personal bias against them.

For example, I seem to distinctly remember some members getting the entire board in a tizzy by proclaiming Bledsoe will fetch a $10+ million dollar signing bonus the day he was signed. Hard to believe, I know, but that's the kind of ridiculous measures some people will resort to.

Judging the current market of supply & demand 10 days before the season starts, if he makes anything close to what Warrick got from Seattle today it wouldn't be cost prohibitive to bring him in on a similar deal, or even a bit more. That's what cap space is for.

Yes, we really do want give Drew the deep ball ... its what he does best, and deep pass off the play action pass is a cornerstone of the offense. Why do you want to force your players to do what they do worst? Besides, Price's best strength is his ability to run after the catch, which only helps the short and intermediate passes become larger gains.

If you're not seeing the upgrade over Morgan, it might because you've conveniently and arbitrarily left out data when it didn't meet your agenda. If you're going to throw out high outlier in your means, then you should at least have the statistical integrity throw out the low outlier with it, like his rookie year when he didn't crack the starting lineup until the end of the season for 4 games. Or since its a comparison, throw out Morgan's best year as well as to not make your numbers so blatantly dishonest.

 

[Rush 2112]

It's not just Crayton.

Are the 25 or 30 catches he will have worth the cap hit?

Does he make are special teams better or worse?

Would we just be replacing one malcontent...Morgan...for another?

Do we really want to have that deep throw in Drew "Let's hold it until the deep guy gets open" Bledsoe's mind?

Throw out the aberation year and here is what Price averages:

49 catches, 693 yards, 14.1 YPR, 3.8 TDs.

Morgan:

39 catches. 579 yards, 14.8 YPR, 3.8 TDs.

I'm not seeing the great upgrade myself.

I love this logic.

Do we get to throw out Morgan's 50 catch 900 yard season as an aberation too or do only you get to make those judgements?

 

[blindzebra]

The stats you posted showed he averaged at least 49 a year. Where did 25 or 30 come from?



If you are comparing him to Morgan, I would say better because he has returned punts before.



Are you guessing here? Didn't some recent article say he contacted us because he is interested? It's clear now that Morgan has no interest in being here from his comments. How does that compare to Price being interested in being a Cowboy and playing with Bledsoe?

He averaged 49 catches as the #2 WR in Buffalo and the #1 WR in Atlanta, where is he going to be here? Key, Glenn, Crayton, add Witten, the running backs just how much you expecting us to throw the ball?

I already consider Morgan gone, Crayton has been returning punts, so has Newman. Price means Copper or Crowder gets cut and that does hurt our coverage teams.

Let's see they spend picks and big money on him, I guess they are cutting him because he does not look good with the bird on his helmet. Taking a 5.7 million cap hit is telling.

 

[blindzebra]

I love this logic.

Do we get to throw out Morgan's 50 catch 900 yard season as an aberation too or do only you get to make those judgements?

Which season is more out of whack?

49 to 94 = + 45, 693 to 1254 = + 561, 3.8 to 9 = + 5.2

39 to 56 = + 17, 579 to 964 = + 385, 3.8 to 7 = + 3.2

 

[silverbear]

some people on this site are really wierd.


crayton has shown that he can run very good routes and has exceptional hands and people still wanna drool over PEERLESS PRICE.

And where is it written that Peerless Price/Patrick Crayton is an either-or question??

keep goin back to 2002 to justify that bum if you want to tho.

Calling him a "bum" just shows that you ain't no guru... actually, it shows that you're pretty much CLUELESS... in 2 seasons with Atlanta, he caught 109 balls... and that's while playing for a team whose quarterback is better running the football than he is throwing it... consider that his 2 best games last season were the 2 games that Matt Schaub either started, or played most of the way... he had 13 catches in those 2 games...

You feelin' stupid yet??

I like Patrick Crayton as well as anybody, in fact I was talkin' him up even BEFORE last year's draft... but I also remember what happened to us when Terry Glenn got hurt last year-- our offense went in the tank, because we didn't have sufficient DEPTH in our WR corps...

Well, I don't want this to happen again this year, and if both Terry Glenn and Keyshawn Johnson are gettin' old... IF we were to sign Price, you could count on 40-60 catches for him, depending on the health of Glenn and Key...

And this would NOT come at the expense of Patrick Crayton's development, he's gonna get his playing time too... nope, the ONLY concern I'd have with regards to the potential signing of Price would be his price tag... and if you REALLY knew football the way you claim, you'd think the same way... the fact you don't tells me you're a legend in your own mind, but you don't really understand the game...

 

[Rush 2112]

What does that have to do anything?

It's a stupid argument and twisted logic.

With your logic I can get someone to extrapolate Price's stats assuming he never left Buffalo and Bledsoe was always his QB.

Could we do a comparison then?

Are teams going to throw out Witten's and Gate's stats from last year and defend them as if they're 35 catch TE's.

Let's not bend facts and twist stats in our favor.

If you are a fan of mediocre WR's then sign Dedric Ward and be done with it.

 

[silverbear]

hrow out the aberation year and here is what Price averages:

49 catches, 693 yards, 14.1 YPR, 3.8 TDs.

Morgan:

39 catches. 579 yards, 14.8 YPR, 3.8 TDs.

I'm not seeing the great upgrade myself.

I dunno, 10 more catches and over 100 more yards per season sounds like an upgrade to me...

 

[blindzebra]

What does that have to do anything?

It's a stupid argument and twisted logic.

With your logic I can get someone to extrapolate Price's stats assuming he never left Buffalo and Bledsoe was always his QB.

Could we do a comparison then?

Are teams going to throw out Witten's and Gate's stats from last year and defend them as if they're 35 catch TE's.

Let's not bend facts and twist stats in our favor.

If you are a fan of mediocre WR's then sign Dedric Ward and be done with it.

What is stupid about pointing out a lack of consistency?

If Witten and Gates average 30 catches the next 3 years what are they?

Price's career average is:

57 catches, 786 yards, 13.8 YPR, 4.7 TDs. His career year added 8 catches, 123 yards, and a TD to his averages. I call that an aberation.

Anything else is just excuse making. Atlanta was willng to cut him, throw away the draft picks they spent and take a big cap hit, getting nothing in return.

Why?

 

[InmanRoshi]

And if you throw out Price's rookie year as an abberation, since it's the only year in his career that he wasn't a full time starter, he averages 62 catches for 865 yards per season.

Not that far off of Eric Moulds average of 66 catches for 920 yards per season.

And if you project Price's numbers in the 2 games Schaub was filling in for Vick over a 16 game season, he would have had over 100+ receptions last year.

Boy, this picking and choosing data when it suits you sure is fun.

 

[blindzebra]

And if you throw out Price's rookie year as an abberation, since it's the only year in his career that he wasn't a full time starter, he averages 62 catches for 865 yards per season.

Not that far off of Eric Moulds average of 66 catches for 920 yards per season.

And if you project Price's numbers in the 2 games Schaub was filling in for Vick over a 16 game season, he would have had over 100+ receptions last year.

Boy, this picking and choosing data when it suits you sure is fun.

Has he came near those numbers in any other season, yes or no?

Why would Atlanta take the big cap hit if there were no issues?

As Spags would say, "If he's so good why is he available?"

 

[DMX690]

Don't understand why some of you guys don't realize, if, Price is willing to sign at a reasonable price. He will make this team better because he provides quality depth at the WR position. Knowing that, if either Key or Glenn gets injuried, then were in trouble.

 

[Rack]

I have no problem with Price's production. It's his unwillingness to play special teams and his unwillingness to block on running plays that I hope he ends up elsewhere.


If he does come here I'll support him just like I do all the cowboys. I just don't think he'll beat out Crayton and I don't see Price running down on kickoffs and punts and making tackles. As a WR? Yeah, nice. But considering Bill Parcells is gonna want to play the way he did in 2003, I don't see the need for a 4th WR that's, to steal a phrase from Parcells, nothing more then an "Insurance Policy".

 

[DMX690]

Another reason why Price may end up in Dallas is, Parcell will do whatever it takes to make Drew Bleadsoe suceed in Dallas. Just like last season, when he brought in Keyshawn and Dedric Ward for Vinny. Don't be surprise that he'll do the same for Drew.

 

[blindzebra]

Don't understand why some of you guys don't realize, if, Price is willing to sign at a reasonable price. He will make this team better because he provides quality depth at the WR position. Knowing that, if either Key or Glenn gets injuried, then were in trouble.

It's not about depth at WR, for crying out load.

Parcells wants to run the ball 35 times a game. We want to control the clock and play field position football. That puts a premium on special teams.

Key and Glenn are not going to be playing on ST, but Parcells will be expecting some plays on ST from #3-5.

We run the ball 35 times, you have Key, Glenn, Witten, the RBs, and Crayton all getting throws. How many balls are going to go to that #3/4 WR?

Price is a recognizable name who had one good year, he is not a make or break our season player.