Crayton is a # 2 ??!!

[iceberg]

I guess we should have signed Taylor in case Ware gets injured and sign Brett Favre in case Romo gets injured.

some people are just never happy. we've got a team we've dreamed about and all we need is a tweaking. so now instead of being happy about being a legit dominate team in the league, some are all whiney that we don't have a complete SECOND dominate team in case of injury.

and all these whiners - who would you have gotten and how?

they seem to flutter-fluster more when you ask for details like that. they can't find any but jones is supposed to pull roy williams out of his as...

nevermind.

 

[Seven]

It may be hard to believe but young players do develop. Hurd and Austin both should be better than they showed last season. All in all for such a bad WR core it is amazing how the Cowboys offense was one of the top offenses in the NFL.

I agree. From the news coming out of camp, Hurd may be supplanting the #2 spot.

 

[Sonny#9]

Seven touchdowns by Crayton were on of the highest totals for a #2 WR in the NFL last year.

Not quite:
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Here's the real question: Are you comfortable with Crayton and Hurd at WR, should TO go down?

Every team in the NFC East has at least one area where one injury could be crippling:

Dallas: WR, possibly O-line due to unproven back-ups.
Washington: LB, possibly D-line.
Philly: RB (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)
Giants: WR (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

Not quite:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2753
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6390
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7027
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7774
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7801

Here's the real question: Are you comfortable with Crayton and Hurd at WR, should TO go down?

Every team in the NFC East has at least one area where one injury could be crippling:

Dallas: WR, possibly O-line due to unproven back-ups.
Washington: LB, possibly D-line.
Philly: RB (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)
Giants: WR (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)

Good points on the NFC East break-down, but it is hard to gauge "comfort" when talking about taking away the second best receiver in the NFL. Crayton and Hurd would be serviceable, but outside of Moss, no receiver in the league is going to replace TO.

 

[iceberg]

Not quite:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2753
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6390
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7027
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7774
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7801

Here's the real question: Are you comfortable with Crayton and Hurd at WR, should TO go down?

Every team in the NFC East has at least one area where one injury could be crippling:

Dallas: WR, possibly O-line due to unproven back-ups.
Washington: LB, possibly D-line.
Philly: RB (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)
Giants: WR (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)

here's the real question no one can answer.

WHO WOULD YOU HAVE GOTTEN?

great. we know WR is a weak spot. but for all the pain agony doom and gloom whiners out there, NO ONE has stepped up to say what should have been done to address it.

we had a matt jones campaign for awhile - that went up the nose.

so who? i'd give the world fresh corn nuggets if they'd stop and look before going WAH all the time.

 

[stealth]

I heard Jerry Rice is coming in for a workout.

Its just a rumour though.

I know you are kidding around, but I bet you jerry could outplay every receiver on our roster not named TO.

 

[AtlCB]

Not quite:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2753
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6390
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7027
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7774
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7801

Here's the real question: Are you comfortable with Crayton and Hurd at WR, should TO go down?

Every team in the NFC East has at least one area where one injury could be crippling:

Dallas: WR, possibly O-line due to unproven back-ups.
Washington: LB, possibly D-line.
Philly: RB (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)
Giants: WR (off the top of my head -- there are probably more)

The most crippling possible injury for the Cowboys is Tony Romo. We have a huge drop off from Romo to Johnson. I also don't think Brad would last the entire season, so I would then expect to see the third string QB. Bartel hasn't appeared to be up to that challenge. Losing Ware or Adams could also potentially be more devastating than losing Owens.

 

[cobra]

Not quite:
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6390
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7027
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7774
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I know you are dense, but surely you can grasp the concept of "one of the highest totals" as distinct from "the highest total."

But even so, lets look at those numbers.

Boldin--who teams are obsessed with and a pro bowl caliber WR... he had 1 more TD than Crayton.
Welker--another pro bowl caliber WR who was drooled over all last year... he had 1 more TD than Crayton.
Jennings--he is actually their #1. There #2 WR in production was Driver who had only 2 TDs... 5 less than Crayton.
TJ Houshdjfasfdjasdfja--was his team's #1 in TDs with 12; his team's 2nd WR was Chad Johnson who had 8 TDs (production your team thought was worth trading 2 1st round picks for).

So yeah, there are 3 guys who had 1 more TD Crayton. BFD. You just threw out some names that people would trade first round picks for, and they weren't that much more productive than a guy we got in the 7th round of the draft and have developed into a pretty good WR.

Incidentally, Crayton's 7 TDs was more than the entire WR corps combined for your POS team.So... we need to worry about him? I think not.

 

[iceberg]

I know you are dense, but surely you can grasp the concept of "one of the highest totals" as distinct from "the highest total."

But even so, lets look at those numbers.

Boldin--who teams are obsessed with and a pro bowl caliber WR... he had 1 more TD than Crayton.
Welker--another pro bowl caliber WR who was drooled over all last year... he had 1 more TD than Crayton.
Jennings--he is actually their #1. There #2 WR in production was Driver who had only 2 TDs... 5 less than Crayton.
TJ Houshdjfasfdjasdfja--was his team's #1 in TDs with 12; his team's 2nd WR was Chad Johnson who had 8 TDs (production your team thought was worth trading 2 1st round picks for).

So yeah, there are 3 guys who had 1 more TD Crayton. BFD. You just threw out some names that people would trade first round picks for, and they weren't that much more productive than a guy we got in the 7th round of the draft and have developed into a pretty good WR.

Incidentally, Crayton's 7 TDs was more than the entire WR corps combined for your POS team.So... we need to worry about him? I think not.

craytons biggest problem is 1 dropped pass. timing is everything isn't it?

all the rest is a wash cause he pissed off the fan at the worst possible time. fans hold grudges for an awful long time and it blinds them to the rest of things.

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree. From the news coming out of camp, Hurd may be supplanting the #2 spot.

Whether he gets the #2 or not I do think getting the amount of playing time he had last year helped him gain experience and showed him and the coaches areas he needs to improve evidently he has been working on those areas and he is showing improvement same goes for Austin. Both guys are in the same boat entering year 3 I think people should cut them a bit of slack before writing them off, it is not uncommon for WR to take 2 to 3 years to develop

 

[iceberg]

Whether he gets the #2 or not I do think getting the amount of playing time he had last year helped him gain experience and showed him and the coaches areas he needs to improve evidently he has been working on those areas and he is showing improvement same goes for Austin. Both guys are in the same boat entering year 3 I think people should cut them a bit of slack before writing them off, it is not uncommon for WR to take 2 to 3 years to develop

not being argumentative here, but when was the last time we had a #4 or #5 rise to #2?

crayton? well we see how people are thrilled with that. i'm ok with it. would like more proven commidities out there but there were none to be had that weren't the same as we already had. so why? another face to make the rowdy fan happy?

but to my point. we've had a lot of favorites in the 4 and 5 slots in the past we all knew would step up. how many have? slammed right now so i can't look, but i'm curious.

 

[cobra]

all the rest is a wash cause he pissed off the fan at the worst possible time. fans hold grudges for an awful long time and it blinds them to the rest of things.

Fan's are all about "what have you done for me lately." If he goes out there and produces this year, that 1 dropped pass (the only real knock against his play) will be forgotten. Coaches have to go with production, and can't make there decisions based on fans being pissed about 1 play.

Crayton has improved each year. He was already a pretty good player last year. If he improves this year, we will be sitting pretty.

 

[Sonny#9]

craytons biggest problem is 1 dropped pass. timing is everything isn't it?

all the rest is a wash cause he pissed off the fan at the worst possible time. fans hold grudges for an awful long time and it blinds them to the rest of things.

His mouth gets him in a lot of trouble too. A lot of his production is a direct result of having TO across from him.

 

[iceberg]

His mouth gets him in a lot of trouble too. A lot of his production is a direct result of having TO across from him.

so a good player has other good players on the team. isn't that the point?

geez - people whine for good players then they get them and hold them against players they don't like.

it's a team "sonny" get over it.

 

[Sonny#9]

Good points on the NFC East break-down, but it is hard to gauge "comfort" when talking about taking away the second best receiver in the NFL. Crayton and Hurd would be serviceable, but outside of Moss, no receiver in the league is going to replace TO.

That's very good point. I really believe, and as much as it pains me to say, TO makes that offense go. I really dislike the man, and have always disliked him. But I have to give credit where credit is due.

 

[Doomsday101]

not being argumentative here, but when was the last time we had a #4 or #5 rise to #2?

crayton? well we see how people are thrilled with that. i'm ok with it. would like more proven commidities out there but there were none to be had that weren't the same as we already had. so why? another face to make the rowdy fan happy?

but to my point. we've had a lot of favorites in the 4 and 5 slots in the past we all knew would step up. how many have? slammed right now so i can't look, but i'm curious.

True Hurd and Austin have to prove it when it counts. Right now I'm hearing good things but that means little if they can't do it when it counts. Thing is I'm just willing to cut them a bit of slack right now instead of being in the group who claims they certainly will fail. As I said a WR development can take 2 to 3 years and both guys are now in year 3 and the expectation should be much higher for them. Last thing I don't get as caught up in the #2 or #3 WR talk as some, for me it is about guys making plays when the ball comes their way I don't care if you call it a #2 or a Y or Z receiver just run your correct routs and make the play they do that I don't care how people want to describe them

 

[Sonny#9]

so a good player has other good players on the team. isn't that the point?

geez - people whine for good players then they get them and hold them against players they don't like.

it's a team "sonny" get over it.

Relax -- I am not talking trash. I am just not a big fan of Crayton.

 

[iceberg]

True Hurd and Austin have to prove it when it counts. Right now I'm hearing good things but that means little if they can't do it when it counts. Thing is I'm just willing to cut them a bit of slack right now instead of being in the group who claims they certainly will fail. As I said a WR development can take 2 to 3 years and both guys are now in year 3 and the expectation should be much higher for them. Last thing I don't get as caught up in the #2 or #3 WR talk as some, for me it is about guys making plays when the ball comes their way I don't care if you call it a #2 or a Y or Z receiver just run your correct routs and make the play they do that I don't care how people want to describe them

hey - this is what we're going with. we knew the day would come where a young guy had to step up and all our little "blankies" would be gone. i think hurd will do well. i don't think austin will be more than he has ever been and stanback is still the wildcard. if an average WR needs a few years to develop, he'll need at least as much. most people wrote him off last year cause there was no IGS factor involved.

barring some wild trade, we have no other options. never really had. this is the year to have them step up or we find their replacements next year.

 

[iceberg]

Relax -- I am not talking trash. I am just not a big fan of Crayton.

cool man. i did bust out a bit much.

 

[WoodysGirl]

His mouth gets him in a lot of trouble too. A lot of his production is a direct result of having TO across from him.

Agree Crayton has a mouth on him, but T.O.'s only been here two years. Crayton 4, going on 5. His increased production is the direct result of hard work and the numbers bear that out.

The knock on him has always been his speed, but for some reason he always gets open and averages 14 ypc. One of his biggest catches was as a rookie against your rookie Sean Taylor (RIP) and T.O. wasn't on the other side of him. Sometimes you gotta give props where props are due.