Crayton on 103.3 sounding off on previous coaches

[theogt]

Maybe, OGT, you ought to look at the comments of some of those players before you lump them all into the BP under the bus bunch.

Saying they're looking forward to the new scheme and criticizing Parcells is what I assumed you were referring to.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

 

[Hostile]

While we're singling out seemingly innocuous comments from a pretty lengthy interview - Crayton also said that Terry Glenn isn't a "team guy" and would prefer to spend time with his family over his teammates.

Like 90 replies and 600 views for this thread....2 responses and 25 views for the thread that's got the actual interview in it. Guess it's too much too ask to listen to the interview before commenting on it.

You've got to love the honeymoon stuff. Reminds you of the good old days when Jimmy left. Or when Campo was fired.

It's about time you spoke up again.

Sabbatical over.

 

[zeromaster]

Too much talk here -- players need to shut up, show some class, and prove it on the field. A HoF coach drafts your butt out of freaking Northwestern Oklahoma State, puts you in a position for a huge payday next year, and you slam him?

Too many posts on message boards from people telling players to shut up when at best all the posters do is buy tickets, not lay it on the line on Sundays when the whistle blows.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Too many posts on message boards from people telling players to shut up when at best all the posters do is buy tickets, not lay it on the line on Sundays when the whistle blows.

This is true, but, the fact remains that it is the fan base that supports the players, teams and League. It is not an overstatement to say that the NFL, as a whole, needs to keep us, the ticket buyers, happy. With out us, there is no NFL.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

This season there are 7 teams with new Head Coaches.

Cowboys
Cardinals
Falcons
Raiders
Chargers
Steelers
Dolphins

I hope I am not forgetting a team.

I do not see where players from any of those other teams are squawking about the previous coaching regimes with the sole exception of word of friction between Cowher and Roethlisberger.

Maybe, just maybe that ought to sink in a little bit?

I disagree with this. Perhaps you're not hearing other teams' players criticizing the previous staff because you spend too much time here.


There's been quite a bit of dirty laundry aired with some other teams. They started throwing Saban under the bus the day he signed with 'Bama, Raiders' players have been taking potshots at the previous staff all off-season....

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I imagine there is something to these players and what they are saying.

I think we have seen examples of some of this.

When we played the colts we let the defense go crazy against one of the better passers and passing games in the league for a team that was undefeated until that time and we did well.

We went into Seattle and did not pass much against a banged up secondary.

There were times we saw play not to lose type of games.

However at the same time these players are setting themselves up to put up or shut up. They are getting what they want now. More relaxed atmosphere and it would seem an attacking offense and defense.

If they still struggle than they have to start pointing their finger at themselves.

As the old saying goes, be careful sometimes because you might get what you ask for.

Also as Stanley brought up, there have been other team's players who have came forward talking about previous coaches as well. I think we dwell on it more here because that is what we know.

 

[sago1]

Well with so many players glad to see the back of Parcells, it certainly should be different in TC and the season. If we play very well (hopefully at least 11-5), win the NFC East title and at least 1 playoff game, it means many of those players are right. If we do another 9-7 & show nothing in the playoffs, unless we have several major injuries then these players better be looking in the mirror. I'm betting the former. This might be one of the most interesting years in Cowboy history for a lot of reasons.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

While we're singling out seemingly innocuous comments from a pretty lengthy interview - Crayton also said that Terry Glenn isn't a "team guy" and would prefer to spend time with his family over his teammates.

Like 90 replies and 600 views for this thread....2 responses and 25 views for the thread that's got the actual interview in it. Guess it's too much too ask to listen to the interview before commenting on it.

You've got to love the honeymoon stuff. Reminds you of the good old days when Jimmy left. Or when Campo was fired.

Did all those comments seem innocuous to you?

They didn't to the show hosts...

I do agree about listening to the recap.

 

[CoCo]

Why must it be all one way or the other in the minds of some?

I think the comments being aired about Parcells are all very, very predictable.

And I think many players are very hopeful that this change will actually be for the better. Does that have to be so controversial or offensive?

There is almost no head coach in the history of this franchise who the masses weren't glad to see go when their road reached its end and that includes Landry. I suspect most that could put their sentimentality & loyalty aside were glad to see him go albeit disappointed/angered over how it was done.

Jimmy is probably the exception. Back-to-back SB wins usually gets you an invite back.

Everyone is focusing on what they believe Wade will do for this defense, and maybe he will. But I guarantee you there will come a day when most here believe firing Wade is the right thing to do and a sure cure for the teams most serious ailment at that time.

Relax folks. Parcells wasn't the debil, & Wade's role as saint will have a limited shelf life too.

 

[Hostile]

I disagree with this. Perhaps you're not hearing other teams' players criticizing the previous staff because you spend too much time here.


There's been quite a bit of dirty laundry aired with some other teams. They started throwing Saban under the bus the day he signed with 'Bama, Raiders' players have been taking potshots at the previous staff all off-season....

The only throwing under the bus I have seen of Saban was by Don Shula because he said he wasn't going to Bama. I haven't seen players doing it.

An occasional comment here and there is to be expected. I just don't think there's anything bad about our players saying they are encouraged by the new system. I don't see it as whining about Parcells.

 

[Doomsday101]

Tom Landry was 10 times the coach that BP was/is.

Tom was inovative on both sides (Flex D and shotgun, etc.) of the ball and flexible in coaching his player like Roger and Tony D. BP is vanilla and can be out schemed, like having Ware is pass coverage due to OC's scheming formations to make him drop in coverage.

I'm not saying Tom was not a great coach. What I am saying is Tom was not looking to win a popularity contest with his players. A player getting upset or not being overly found of a coach means little. They are here to do a job not be best of friends with the coach.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Well with so many players glad to see the back of Parcells, it certainly should be different in TC and the season. If we play very well (hopefully at least 11-5), win the NFC East title and at least 1 playoff game, it means many of those players are right. If we do another 9-7 & show nothing in the playoffs, unless we have several major injuries then these players better be looking in the mirror. I'm betting the former. This might be one of the most interesting years in Cowboy history for a lot of reasons.

I think you've got it nailed.

And I think that BP has it right in that several players have backed themselves into a "put up or shut up" corner, but that's a great thing.

Personally, I hope that ever player on the team was shackled by a past his prime Parcells. That can only mean good things for '07/08.




I think the most telling event of last season was when an opponent was quoted as saying that the way to defend Romo was to keep him in the pocket cutting down on his improvizational ability. Unfortunately, that's the same message the coaching staff had for him. Not comparing the two, but it was once said that the only person who could hold Michael Jordan under twenty points was Dean Smith.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

The only throwing under the bus I have seen of Saban was by Don Shula because he said he wasn't going to Bama. I haven't seen players doing it.

An occasional comment here and there is to be expected. I just don't think there's anything bad about our players saying they are encouraged by the new system. I don't see it as whining about Parcells.

There's been a lot of player quotes about Saban, specifically from offensive skill positions. But they've all been as innoculous as Crayton's interview so unless you're regularly reading a Dolphins' board you miss 'em. Not the type of thing that the media as a whole picks up.

One Raider said when asked what he was doing with his down time "I ain't staying at any Bed and Breakfasts that's for sure". You don't get the slam unless you understand.

 

[Champsheart]

Too much talk here -- players need to shut up, show some class, and prove it on the field. A HoF coach drafts your butt out of freaking Northwestern Oklahoma State, puts you in a position for a huge payday next year, and you slam him?

Maybe you are the one that needs to shut up, not the players.

Shoot, I want to hear what they have to say, I want to know what they think. That is what we want from our players when talking to the media, we want to hear the truth, not a bunch of BS. If Crayton does feel this way, who are you to tell him or any other player to shut up?

I think it does show class to be honest, I will take that any day than your evident class of look the other way.

It just balffles me how we all look for news and want to hear from the players, then when they come out and try to tell us what is going on, a bunch of fans tell them they need to shut up. GO FIGURE!

 

[Hostile]

There's been a lot of player quotes about Saban, specifically from offensive skill positions. But they've all been as innoculous as Crayton's interview so unless you're regularly reading a Dolphins' board you miss 'em. Not the type of thing that the media as a whole picks up.

One Raider said when asked what he was doing with his down time "I ain't staying at any Bed and Breakfasts that's for sure". You don't get the slam unless you understand.

That's a shot at the Offensive Coordinator under Shell.

I didn't ever see that quote.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

That's a shot at the Offensive Coordinator under Shell.

I didn't ever see that quote.

I forget who said it but I frequent a Raider site to needle my brother-in-law (thank God for the anonymity of the interweb, he still hasn't figured out it's me) and read it there.

About the only teams that haven't been sniping are the Steelers because Cowher has a ring and the Cardinals because no one seems to give two poops, although the Cardinals have said plenty of positive things about the new staff that you didn't hear last year.

 

[AbeBeta]

Maybe you are the one that needs to shut up, not the players.

Shoot, I want to hear what they have to say, I want to know what they think. That is what we want from our players when talking to the media, we want to hear the truth, not a bunch of BS. If Crayton does feel this way, who are you to tell him or any other player to shut up?

I think it does show class to be honest, I will take that any day than your evident class of look the other way.

It just balffles me how we all look for news and want to hear from the players, then when they come out and try to tell us what is going on, a bunch of fans tell them they need to shut up. GO FIGURE!

You tell someone to shut up then give a lecture on what is and what isn't classy? Son, do you see the irony here?

 

[Stash]

I forget who said it but I frequent a Raider site to needle my brother-in-law (thank God for the anonymity of the interweb, he still hasn't figured out it's me) and read it there.

About the only teams that haven't been sniping are the Steelers because Cowher has a ring and the Cardinals because no one seems to give two poops, although the Cardinals have said plenty of positive things about the new staff that you didn't hear last year.

I can certainly see where the Raiders' players would complain. That offensive coaching staff set a new low for incompetence. When you 'pull the plug' after one abysmal season, that speaks volumes.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I forget who said it but I frequent a Raider site to needle my brother-in-law (thank God for the anonymity of the interweb, he still hasn't figured out it's me) and read it there.

I've seen the same quote. Don't particularly know where. But I remember reading one particular on Jerry Porter where he threw the whole staff under the bus. You'd like to think he was the only one who felt that way, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't been. Sapp is another who I know has made some comments.

About the only teams that haven't been sniping are the Steelers because Cowher has a ring and the Cardinals because no one seems to give two poops, although the Cardinals have said plenty of positive things about the new staff that you didn't hear last year.

I've seen Roth lob some bar at Cowher, but he's the only one lobbing direct hits. The few comments I've seen about the Steelers have been comparing the two regimes with some of the players trying to be dimplomatic.

Only Cards comments I've seen have been directed towards the ownership. What's new w/that?

 

[superpunk]

Did all those comments seem innocuous to you?

They didn't to the show hosts...

I do agree about listening to the recap.

I didn't really want to respond to this topic, cuz of things and I knew I'd get long winded, but here it goes.

I didn't see the harm in what Crayton said. He spoke his mind. You cited the show-host's reactions - come on, man...it's the stinking LBOH show, ya know? They ask these players leading questions, baiting them into saying something that can be perceived as derogatory because they (the media) have an axe to grind. And that's fine. Crayton and other players are excited about the new coaching staff - that's great, right?

It should be.

But - and this truly is nothing against you, because you're a favorite - we get arguments like this out of them, because that's exactly what was intended. And it affected your post, because whether you consciously did it or not, you singled out one statement he made about the coaching staff and now we have a whole anti-Parcells thread. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he said more than one statement about Parcells. After it he said his piece about the position coach, he was asked point blank "You're talking about the BIG BIG guy, aren't you" and he responded, innocently enough that it could (hypothetically, I took it) have been the big big guy, and it trickled down from the Colonel to his general, or however he put it.

Now, that sounds harmless enough on it's own. Sure, it could have been a trickle down from Bill. And so, that gets taken as gospel, threads are made paraphrasing what was said, and people get het up.

That affects me, because I loved Bill Parcells. Everything about him. I still think he's fantastic. So, if I read that Crayton's throwing staff under the bus, and suddenly the thread takes an anti-Bill turn by people who want it to go that way, I'm bound to get worked up, right? And eventually, what effect does that have on me? Well, I start to hate these whiny players.

And why?

Because I took somebody's word, and didn't take the time to listen to what was said, in it's entirety on my own - in order to find out that it just wasn't as bad as it was made out to be.

But, I don't want that, and I don't think anyone else wants that either. We're all Cowboys fans at the end of the day. And now, I'm loving Wade Phillips every bit as much as I loved Bill Parcells. He was the available candidate I wanted all along. But somehow with all these polarizing opinions on Dallas figureheads, somehow you always end up looking back instead of forward. Hopefully training camp moves us past all this, although I doubt it. All this excitement about the new coaching staff, it ought to be a good thing. We should all expect it, because new beginnings are always exciting. But, every single elated blurb about the new coaching staff seemingly MUST be accompanied by a derogatory stab at the regime behind from the wonderful DFW media. And after a few months, it seems like a gigantic waste of time to this Cowboys fan.

So no, I didn't think what he said was harmful or malicious. He had a problem with some members of management. This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who's ever actually held a job before. I don't think we should allow it to be polarizing, either. I hope every player, from Julius Jones to Patrick Crayton to Terrence Newman - steps it up this year. Whether they're writing checks with their mouth or not, I hope they step it up BIG time. I want a super bowl, and if we're gonna get one this year, it's on the backs of these players who are happy with the new staff, and need to step up (if they're ever going to). I, and hopefully everyone else on this site, wish them all the best - and all the best to coach Parcells, too - who rescued us from being one of the all-time bad teams. It's a brand new year, and I'm starting to get excited. I need some god-damn football - and I don't intend to allow myself to be polarized anymore.