Crayton on 103.3 sounding off on previous coaches

[DanTanna]

Witten's got some incredibly soft hands as well...

That explains it: Witten slapped Andre Gurode on the butt once and feathers flew in the air. Hence the "soft hands".

Bill Parcelss talking to him mom:

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[firehawk350]

Tell that to Shawne Merriman.

It depends on the player - whether they can handle what you're asking them to do or not.

If they can't, change your scheme to what they can do or get another player.

That's true, telling one or two players to let loose is good. But everyone is acting like it's full bore now and nobody is going to have to do the dirt jobs. If this is the case, then the defense is going to be undisciplined and look like a train wreck.

I doubt this is the case though and they'll get a little cold water over their heads when asked to play in coverage or do some form of gap control and the 'we love phillips' mantra will end.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Engel and Cooperstein just had him on, and without making him sound completely malicious -- don't want it to sound like he just completely took out the hatchet -- he went off on the old coaching staff probably more than any player we've heard yet.

I'd rather the podcast be put up without trying to do too precise a recap, but he said last year that it wasn't fun to go to work anymore, that playcalling was sometimes more not to lose than to win (and he said it cost them some games) and that when you get cussed out all day every day, you start to tune coaches out. (That bit was about Todd Haley, not Parcells. But he also said attitudes trickle down from the top.)

It wasn't said that hatefully, but more matter-of-factly.

In other matters, he's been out at Valley Ranch catching passes from Tony several times a week all offseason. They tried to get him into some small talk about taking a vacation, but he said all he's done is take a few weekends off to travel. The rest of the time, he's been working.

They just said they'll put the podcast up soon. There'll definitely be stories written about this in the newspapers tomorrow.

ADMIN EDIT:
Podcast up in the daily zone...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90181

About Parcells

I just do not see what he hoped to gain from this

It's not like he was a big or important cog in the offense

He was just a second stringer with so-so results

**** Crayton and just play up to your second string abilities

Ellis, when he whines, at least he's been there

You, Crayton are just lucky you've hung on and will be lucky if you are not traded with the likes of younger blood from the draft and Miles showing so much promise

I bet Wade, after hearing your matter-of-fact whine, might see you in a different light from now one
In a negative one, you stinky little second-stringer

:starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin :starspin

 

[iceberg]

Tell that to Shawne Merriman.

It depends on the player - whether they can handle what you're asking them to do or not.

If they can't, change your scheme to what they can do or get another player.

exactly. some players need to be set free and given a general guildeline of their role in the defense/offense.

other players may need "at this point be here to do this..." and much more hands on. again, people get so tied up in thinking everything is judged the same when it's not in their own world they forget it's not.

 

[theogt]

If this many players are releived, I have to think it is a good thing for them to get to get it off their chests Ab. I really do.

They haven't been whining IMO (with the possible exception of Julius). They've expressed hope and relief and faith in things being better.

Yeah, that's a horrible thing.

Agreed, if it were on or two players, it'd be one thing. But it's nearly every single player. Even some of the "Parcells guys." It really is remarkable. It steps beyond the bounds of the "honeymoon" scenario of a new head coach.

 

[burmafrd]

How many players that had GOOD years last year are whinning?
How many have actually come out and said things were bad last year?
Some posts here are exagerating the number of players that are throwing BP under the bus.

 

[SupermanXx]

Most couples are very happy on their honeymoon.

Does that mean they stay happy?

oh neat.. now we're comparing great sex with a football team

 

[iceberg]

How many players that had GOOD years last year are whinning?
How many have actually come out and said things were bad last year?
Some posts here are exagerating the number of players that are throwing BP under the bus.

and oddly enough some are exagerating the "under the bus" throwing. saying they'll be more productive under phillips isn't throwing parcells under the bus.

but that's where we take it.

 

[Hostile]

Agreed, if it were on or two players, it'd be one thing. But it's nearly every single player. Even some of the "Parcells guys." It really is remarkable. It steps beyond the bounds of the "honeymoon" scenario of a new head coach.

See, I think that is a very valid point being ignored. Even Jason Ferguson had some comments.

To me all of this was obvious for a long time. Long before Jon Kitna and Mike Furrey were mocking the lack of adjustments. They aren't Cowboys players. Were they whining too? What about guys like Shawne Merriman and others asking our players at the Pro Bowl why we never blitzed or used stunts? Were they whining too.

Our gameplans were unimaginative and non flexible and the players are speaking out about it.

Call me crazy, I think this is a good thing.

 

[burmafrd]

I would say that maybe 5-6 players have spoken out in a way that could be seen as throwing BP under the bus in one way or another. considering we have 22 starters and maybe 7-8 other guys who played a lot, that is FAR from most or even half or even a third.

 

[theogt]

How many players that had GOOD years last year are whinning?
How many have actually come out and said things were bad last year?
Some posts here are exagerating the number of players that are throwing BP under the bus.

Ware had a good year. Newman had a good year. Ayodele had a decent year. All of those players, in one form or another, "threw BP under the bus."

 

[burmafrd]

Newman had a bad year for him. Ayodele was only there for one year so I pretty much toss his comments out. Ware- his comments went both ways.

 

[iceberg]

I would say that maybe 5-6 players have spoken out in a way that could be seen as throwing BP under the bus in one way or another. considering we have 22 starters and maybe 7-8 other guys who played a lot, that is FAR from most or even half or even a third.

not studied it enough to know here but like i said, if you can divide parcells leaving in to 5-6 categories and then put the players into the categories, i'd say about 20% would throw him "under the bus" in public. now how many taking the high road are doing just that?

we'll see what we see here but unless you just love to 2nd guess, we'll never really know.

 

[burmafrd]

We probably will never know- or at least for some years. But I do find interesting how many are SURE they know NOW.

 

[theogt]

I would say that maybe 5-6 players have spoken out in a way that could be seen as throwing BP under the bus in one way or another. considering we have 22 starters and maybe 7-8 other guys who played a lot, that is FAR from most or even half or even a third.

Spears, Canty, Ferguson, Newman, Carpenter, Burnett, Williams, James, Glenn, Ayodele, Ware.

Those are just off the top of my head on the defensive side of the ball. That's 10 of the 12 starters (counting Glenn as nickel corner) on defense.

 

[firehawk350]

See, I think that is a very valid point being ignored. Even Jason Ferguson had some comments.

Ferguson said he liked Parcells' style of coaching. He said he thought he could still be effective without it because he was his biggest critic. Basically, he was his own Parcells. Doesn't sound like, I ran like a robot because of Parcells, or the two-gap killed my production, does it?

 

[superpunk]

While we're singling out seemingly innocuous comments from a pretty lengthy interview - Crayton also said that Terry Glenn isn't a "team guy" and would prefer to spend time with his family over his teammates.

Like 90 replies and 600 views for this thread....2 responses and 25 views for the thread that's got the actual interview in it. Guess it's too much too ask to listen to the interview before commenting on it.

You've got to love the honeymoon stuff. Reminds you of the good old days when Jimmy left. Or when Campo was fired.

 

[burmafrd]

Maybe, OGT, you ought to look at the comments of some of those players before you lump them all into the BP under the bus bunch.

 

[theogt]

Ferguson said he liked Parcells' style of coaching. He said he thought he could still be effective without it because he was his biggest critic. Basically, he was his own Parcells. Doesn't sound like, I ran like a robot because of Parcells, or the two-gap killed my production, does it?

Actually, he stated that he was glad to go to a more aggressive defense and that Parcells wasn't nearly as conservative at the Jets as he was here.

 

[Hostile]

Ferguson said he liked Parcells' style of coaching. He said he thought he could still be effective without it because he was his biggest critic. Basically, he was his own Parcells. Doesn't sound like, I ran like a robot because of Parcells, or the two-gap killed my production, does it?

He still complained about the philosophies and said he was encouraged by the new scheme and I never said anyone's comments were on par with "ran like a robot." In fact, I singled those out already.