Curious about George

[jazzcat22]

What exactly makes him worth a first on the franchise tag when he was traded for a third with a year of control left?

There’s no trade, and we don’t have a GM capable of pulling it off successfully anyway. He’d find a way to come out behind, and eventually do something similar again.

Because he did not have any seasons in Pittsburgh like he had in Dallas.

 

[Coogiguy03]

They had a high scoring offense.
He is part of the entire puzzle to win. You can't deny how he helped. Well, one can, but that is delusional.
So you sacrifice a proven top 5, if not top 3 offense, and was the top for a while. Not sure where they ended up at. In order to TRY to improve the defense, which was injured all year.

So what is the difference with a. say, #3 offense, and defense that will be improved without Eberflus, and will be (hopefully) healthy. If they are at #20

Or a #15 ranked offense and a #15 ranked defense.
I contend if the defense was healthy they would have even been #20 to $25, they would have won 2 to 3 more games. Then most, logical fans anyway, would be thinking different.

Not about logical and this and that, it's about our feelings/opinions, NONE of us I don't care who you are on here can predict what's going to happen!!! He does help the offense he did things in a major way, some questioned if he was better than Lamb. But we had them both, they both played in games we lost, how do we get over the losses having both of these guys. People say if we had a defense, does his price tag hinder us from getting guys that could really help us (no as some have said), do we actually know if these defenders will be good for us like they were good for their previous teams.

It's a wait and see approach where nobody is wrong, they're just opinions/thoughts

 

[jazzcat22]

Not about logical and this and that, it's about our feelings/opinions, NONE of us I don't care who you are on here can predict what's going to happen!!! He does help the offense he did things in a major way, some questioned if he was better than Lamb. But we had them both, they both played in games we lost, how do we get over the losses having both of these guys. People say if we had a defense, does his price tag hinder us from getting guys that could really help us (no as some have said), do we actually know if these defenders will be good for us like they were good for their previous teams.

It's a wait and see approach where nobody is wrong, they're just opinions/thoughts

That is what is is about everything actually. And those repeating the same thing over and over gets some fans to believe them and the negative attention toward everything that happens, and repeat it.
And it is always the negative stuff.
No one believes in positivity anymore. And that is a shame. I am truly surprised at the positive stuff toward hiring Parker, and how they did their due diligence.

I said last year, I was not expecting any miracles. And my mindset is still the same. But I damn sure will still look at the positives (and negatives) as the off season progresses.

 

[blueblood70]

Because he did not have any seasons in Pittsburgh like he had in Dallas.

Isn't that a good reason for the Cowboys to put a first round tag on him, let's see if he gets the offers, I think if he doesn't get any offers for a first round pick ,then both sides; the agent/player and the Cowboys get to see his value.

therefore give them a better starting point on a long term deal, or leaving him on the tag, you get less blowback because if he sees that the league doesn't see him worth the first rounder, and going to pay him maybe four to $6 million more than he can make here on the tag, if he knows that that's not possible, he may not be as resistant to playing on the tag ,And then becoming a free agent next year.

These are just options we're discussing because I believe he's the only asset we have on the team that can fetch us a first round pick which would give us 3 1st rounders because we have no 2nd or 3rd rounder now we can turn one of those 1st round picks into multiple picks you can replace them with a receiver from the draft and some on this team that can compete for WR2,

I mean, that's the scenario,

you're saving over $30 million not signing him, you get a first round pick you turn into multiple picks, and now you have more resources to rebuild not only the defense, but if you don't spend 30 million on a receiver, then you can maybe get a tier two left tackle, or something to help that offensive line..

because that's more important to me than A WR 2, because when healthy Lamb is fine, they seem to be willing to sign Williams ,The offense will be fine..

if they're not expected to score 30 or more points every week just to be in a game let alone win a game, I think that would be a better scenario for the Cowboys as a team. not how pretty the offense looks, but they can get the defense and other aspects of the teams built quicker trading george pickens.

So I hope the guy you're arguing with because he's on my list and I don't feel like saying this twice that is why you do put a 1st round tender on him everyone will get to see what the league thinks and what the league is willing to offer...


Because I would not accept anything less than a first for him..

 

[blueblood70]

They had a high scoring offense.
He is part of the entire puzzle to win. You can't deny how he helped. Well, one can, but that is delusional.
So you sacrifice a proven top 5, if not top 3 offense, and was the top for a while. Not sure where they ended up at. In order to TRY to improve the defense, which was injured all year.

So what is the difference with a. say, #3 offense, and defense that will be improved without Eberflus, and will be (hopefully) healthy. If they are at #20

Or a #15 ranked offense and a #15 ranked defense.
I con

Are you saying that the Cowboys let's just go to 2023 to start with this debate where was the offense ranked that year with no true WR2 with not a strong running game with a offensive scheme, that did not really marry the run to the pass much,

which I say right now we're better off in this offense and this scheme that we were in 2023, but where was the ranking in 2023, no amari Cooper, no george Pickens? i bet really high...

Are you saying that Prescott multiple times in his career has been part of the top five offense, a couple were number one in many categories, but top three in many other categories, without George Pickens,

yes George Pickens was part of last year and last year the Cowboys had a losing record...

I don't want to hear about the defense and all the other real reasons we probably didn't make the playoffs, but we had a losing record with him on the team, and we can discuss some of the droughts in the second half of not scoring, and also blame the defense a little, but George Pickens was part of some less than stellar second half production for this offense.

And I get it ,

it wasn't him it really wasn't the offense, but there's times where people question the play calling, and the scoring in the second half And there was a couple games to start the season and a couple games late in the season where George Pickens was pulling a little bit of that Amari Cooper thing ,where when you weren't feeding him the ball, he kind of Lost his focus didn't seem to want to play, Didn't seem very motivated...

Again,

you said he was part of that positive, well so was Prescott and Lamb, are the only consistent players I know that before George arrived already had multiple years having top offenses ,and having high production..

Prescott did not only become an MVP candidate in my eyes last year also 2021 coming off an injury he threw 37 touchdowns with ten interceptions in 2023 another really good year, both without Amari Cooper/Pickens ,He set his rookie year he did not have two superstar receivers and if it wasn't for the defense, they'd have probably went to the NFC championship game that year the offense played great with two rookies on it, there was no George Pickens and no Cooper on that team.

I don't lose George but I don't think you're seeing the big picture saving over $30 million and getting a first-round pick that can be turned into multiple picks is a only asset the Cowboys have that can help accelerate getting this team better next year

They will get A WR 2 in the draft hopefully Flournoy and and some of the other guys on this team can hold down the Fort and compete for that spot until the rookie catches up if he ever does there is no guarantees you're right...

 

[blueblood70]

That is what is is about everything actually. And those repeating the same thing over and over gets some fans to believe them and the negative attention toward everything that happens, and repeat it.
And it is always the negative stuff.
No one believes in positivity anymore. And that is a shame. I am truly surprised at the positive stuff toward hiring Parker, and how they did their due diligence.

I said last year, I was not expecting any miracles. And my mindset is still the same. But I damn sure will still look at the positives (and negatives) as the off season progresses.

Well how come we can't both be happy that the team gets smart trades george Pickens for a 1st round pick turns it into multiple picks and 30 extra million to spend on the team,

or we would be equally happy if they figured out a way to make it work and keep George Pickens..

but just offering some alternate scenarios should not get backlash like the original poster said I said that before even got here when I saw the trade I said no matter how good this guy is if he demands to be overpaid and wants to be A WR1 and he wants big money,

They should consider trading him I said that at the beginning in the middle and I'm saying it again where we're at we could use more resources and money to rebuild other weak points of our team more than we need a dynamic WR2...

You remember the draft right tetorial Mcmillan IE TET He was their number one target,

if he'd have been there they'd have got him and we wouldn't have George Pickens and I think that still would have looked pretty good and I think the Cowboys can still get a receiver in this draft giving they will end up with three 1st round picks should they hypothetically trade George Pickens.

that would not be the end of the world...

 

[thunderpimp91]

I think the Pickens situation is an easy one to figure out

Step 1 - Tag him
Step 2 - Negotiate a long term deal - I'll even give him a $35m per year average if he takes a low enough guaranteed amount to give the Cowboys a realistic out after year 2.
Step 3 - If no long term deal happens you trade him asap.

The big question in my mind is how fast can the Cowboys work though the steps. This is not a situation you want to have play out all offseason, and you need a pre draft decision on Pickens.

 

[fivetwos]

Because he did not have any seasons in Pittsburgh like he had in Dallas.

He isn’t worth a first. They are too valuable to teams.

If he had say, two years left, plus the tags, then maybe, but at that point Jerry wouldn’t deal him anyway.

If there’s any possible way a team is parting with a first I take it in a second.

 

[Kwyn]

Calling Pickens a 1 is a stretch. He’s a 1 on a bad team.

He made all-pro.

 

[jazzcat22]

He isn’t worth a first. They are too valuable to teams.

If he had say, two years left, plus the tags, then maybe, but at that point Jerry wouldn’t deal him anyway.

If there’s any possible way a team is parting with a first I take it in a second.

Teams traded away 1st round picks for far less.

 

[CaptainAmerica12]

Teams traded away 1st round picks for far less.

Roy Williams and Joey Galloway. I'm sensing a theme here.

 

[Bagman]

The problems were on the other side of the ball.

I strongly suspect you know that.

Yes, I do. I just think it would be better to get 2 really good $16 million defensive players than 1 really good $32 million WR. Plus, we'd have the draft pick from trading him.

 

[KingCorcoran]

I think the Pickens situation is an easy one to figure out

Step 1 - Tag him
Step 2 - Negotiate a long term deal - I'll even give him a $35m per year average if he takes a low enough guaranteed amount to give the Cowboys a realistic out after year 2.
Step 3 - If no long term deal happens you trade him asap.

The big question in my mind is how fast can the Cowboys work though the steps. This is not a situation you want to have play out all offseason, and you need a pre draft decision on Pickens.

It can’t “play out all offseason”. If the Cowboys tag him and can’t get a deal done by July 16 they’re stuck with George on the tag and he’s stuck with the Cowboys.

 

[thunderpimp91]

It can’t “play out all offseason”. If the Cowboys tag him and can’t get a deal done by July 16 they’re stuck with George on the tag and he’s stuck with the Cowboys.

Sure it can. Clowney for example was tagged by Houston in 2019 and then wasn’t traded until August.

 

[Bigrandrn]

1. Do you keep Pickens? If so, how? One year via Franchise Tag or longterm contract? What does that contract look like?

2. Do you Franchise and trade him? If so, what are seeking and who are you trying to deal him to?

3. Let's say Pickens nets a first rounder this year, giving the Cowboys three, what are you trying to do with that flexibility?

My answers: I Franchise him and try and trade him to either the Jets, Panthers or Browns. Let's say they trade him to the Panthers for Pick #19, I use one of them to trade back for a 2nd and 3rd, or, perhaps, trade him to the Jets and get back the 1st next year. Or, if the Cowboys can trade down and pick up an early 2nd plus something, they could trade the 2nd for Max Crosby. A Crosby, Williams, Clark (on a reworked deal), EZ DLine could be solid.

I think WR is a luxury position and cheaper options can be found. There are plenty of other needs.

Tag and trade him and OSA (and his contract) to the raiders for Crosby lol.

 

[Kwyn]

What exactly makes him worth a first on the franchise tag when he was traded for a third with a year of control left?

There’s no trade, and we don’t have a GM capable of pulling it off successfully anyway. He’d find a way to come out behind, and eventually do something similar again.

Yesterdays price is not today’s price

Puka was a 5th round pick two years ago.

Would the Rams trade him for that?

 

[zekecowboy]

1. Do you keep Pickens? If so, how? One year via Franchise Tag or longterm contract? What does that contract look like?

2. Do you Franchise and trade him? If so, what are seeking and who are you trying to deal him to?

3. Let's say Pickens nets a first rounder this year, giving the Cowboys three, what are you trying to do with that flexibility?

My answers: I Franchise him and try and trade him to either the Jets, Panthers or Browns. Let's say they trade him to the Panthers for Pick #19, I use one of them to trade back for a 2nd and 3rd, or, perhaps, trade him to the Jets and get back the 1st next year. Or, if the Cowboys can trade down and pick up an early 2nd plus something, they could trade the 2nd for Max Crosby. A Crosby, Williams, Clark (on a reworked deal), EZ DLine could be solid.

I think WR is a luxury position and cheaper options can be found. There are plenty of other needs.

Sorry, Pickens has the potential to be as good as Randy Moss. Jerry will figure out a way to keep him. Pickens makes Dak look like a very good quarterback.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Sure it can. Clowney for example was tagged by Houston in 2019 and then wasn’t traded until August.

No. If not dealt or signed by July 16 he can’t be traded. He can’t even sign a deal with the Cowboys after July 15 if he’s tagged. This is not 2019. Is it?

 

[Hadenough]

The problems were on the other side of the ball.

I strongly suspect you know that.

Yeah but can they afford to have Lamb and Pickens tying up 60 mil a season. Two players taking up close to 20% of the cap. If I were Jerry I would keep Pickens and trade Lamb. Pickens seems like he is a tougher guy who cannot be stopped. As good as Lamb is he gets shut down at times.

 

[fivetwos]

Yesterdays price is not today’s price

Puka was a 5th round pick two years ago.

Would the Rams trade him for that?

Where a player is drafted has nothing to do with it.

I’m saying he was traded on the open market a year ago with one year still left on his rookie deal. While I acknowledge that he had a nice year and is a good player, I don’t see it as being enough to turn him into first round value when you’ve now also gotta pay him right away.

I’m sure Pittsburgh wanted a first but couldn’t get it, so he ended up being dealt for a third. People around here would have lost their minds if they traded a first for him, now another team is supposed to do exactly that? I’d be absolutely shocked, but will be around to own it if there’s even a rumor of a team willing to part with a first for Pickens.