Current RB outlook

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I wasn't using it to determine how he will do this upcoming season. I was using it to point out that his YPC average has been greatly inflated due to some long runs through a few gaping holes.

What's cool about Randle is that he has moves downfield. You can try and use that as a knock on him but some of those cuts he has made in the open field have been electric. That same OL is going to be there paving the way.

The concern I have with Randle is if they try to use him like Murray, how is he going to do on carries 20+ game after game. That goes doubly from DMC and Williams. Good thing there is a solution to those types of issues.

 

[KJJ]

Signing McFadden to a deal at near the vet minimum with a 200k SB shows that we doubt Randle? Right. Because we'd have gone into camp with just Randle, Dunbar, some UDFAs and the oft-injured Williams.

We have you been? There were a lot of doubts about Randle's future at the time the Cowboys signed McFadden due to his off the field issues that had him facing a possible suspension to start the season. Jerry made it clear he wasn't going to pay much for an RB and signed McFadden to a heavily incentive laced contract. If the Cowboys felt good about Randle, Dunbar and Williams they wouldn't have brought in an injury prone castoff like McFadden The Cowboys aren't banking much on any of the backs they have look at their contracts.

 

[KJJ]

What's cool about Randle is that he has moves downfield. You can try and use that as a knock on him but some of those cuts he has made in the open field have been electric. That same OL is going to be there paving the way.

The concern I have with Randle is if they try to use him like Murray, how is he going to do on carries 20+ game after game. That goes doubly from DMC and Williams. Good thing there is a solution to those types of issues.

Randle moves down field when there's holes to run through. He's great when he has room in the open field but hasn't shown he can manufacture a play when there's no play to be made. I need to see some tough inside running from him where he's breaking some tackles that help move the chains.

 

[AbeBeta]

We have you been? There were a lot of doubts about Randle's future at the time the Cowboys signed McFadden due to his off the field issues that had him facing a possible suspension to start the season. Jerry made it clear he wasn't going to pay much for an RB and signed McFadden to a heavily incentive laced contract. If the Cowboys felt good about Randle, Dunbar and Williams they wouldn't have brought in an injury prone castoff like McFadden The Cowboys aren't banking much on any of the backs they have look at their contracts.

Seriously man - if you have doubts about whether Randle is going to be a contributor, then you would have seen much more effort involved in bringing in replacements. From every action this team has made and from what the staff and Jerry have been saying about Joe since last year, it is clear they do see Randle as having a major role this year.

If you don't understand that, it is either because you are ignoring the evidence or are in denial.

 

[AbeBeta]

What's cool about Randle is that he has moves downfield. You can try and use that as a knock on him but some of those cuts he has made in the open field have been electric. That same OL is going to be there paving the way.

The concern I have with Randle is if they try to use him like Murray, how is he going to do on carries 20+ game after game. That goes doubly from DMC and Williams. Good thing there is a solution to those types of issues.

I expect that Randle is more a 240 carry-ish back for us - not because we are going to limit his carries but because I fully believe DMac is here because of his pass protection. He'll get a fair amount of time on the field because of that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Randle moves down field when there's holes to run through. He's great when he has room in the open field but hasn't shown he can manufacture a play when there's no play to be made. I need to see some tough inside running from him where he's breaking some tackles that help move the chains.

I disagree. He has the short area quickness to shake people in gaps. He does it off tackle quite often. His lateral agility allows him to jump cut 2 gaps over. He uses these moves at any spot on the field. He gives good effort too. He isn't particularly big or punishing of course. DMC is the guy that likes to hit.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I expect that Randle is more a 240 carry-ish back for us - not because we are going to limit his carries but because I fully believe DMac is here because of his pass protection. He'll get a fair amount of time on the field because of that.

Maybe. I thought that too but with him having the precautionary hammy like many others they have had Dunbar in on the nickel stuff. I get the impression that Romo likes Dunbar too from watching them all interact. That is key.

TC cannot come soon enough.

 

[Doomsday101]

I disagree. He has the short area quickness to shake people in gaps. He does it off tackle quite often. His lateral agility allows him to jump cut 2 gaps over. He uses these moves at any spot on the field. He gives good effort too. He isn't particularly big or punishing of course. DMC is the guy that likes to hit.

True but in 3rd and 2 I don't want him dancing, find the hole and hit hard and drive, pick up the 1st.

 

[KJJ]

Seriously man - if you have doubts about whether Randle is going to be a contributor, then you would have seen much more effort involved in bringing in replacements. From every action this team has made and from what the staff and Jerry have been saying about Joe since last year, it is clear they do see Randle as having a major role this year.

If you don't understand that, it is either because you are ignoring the evidence or are in denial.

Can you even read??? I never said I had doubts about Randle being a contributor I said there were doubts about his future with the team due to a possible suspension to start the season. He had some off the field issues were you not aware of that? The only one who's ignoring things is you. Stop looking for arguments and read my posts.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

True but in 3rd and 2 I don't want him dancing, find the hole and hit hard and drive, pick up the 1st.

Sure but in that case I would rather have DMC in there for that. He can get knocked off balance but he is a load coming downhill.

 

[KJJ]

I disagree. He has the short area quickness to shake people in gaps. He does it off tackle quite often. His lateral agility allows him to jump cut 2 gaps over. He uses these moves at any spot on the field. He gives good effort too. He isn't particularly big or punishing of course. DMC is the guy that likes to hit.

He can shake people in gaps/space but I don't see a lot of power or the ability to break tackles. When he collides with a defender he's usually the one going backwards. We'll just have to see how he performs with more opportunities behind what should be an even better OL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can you even read??? I never said I had doubts about Randle being a contributor I said there were doubts about his future with the team due to a possible suspension to start the season. He had some off the field issues were you not aware of that? The only one who's ignoring things is you. Stop looking for arguments and read my posts.

You really are determined that he not succeed.

No charges were filed from the Wichita event and the investigation was closed.

 

[KJJ]

You really are determined that he not succeed.

No charges were filed from the Wichita event and the investigation was closed.

If you're reading that into my posts you're wrong! His off the field issues weren't completely resolved until after McFadden was signed. There was a lot of talk that the Cowboys might move on from Randle due to lack of trust. Even now I'm sure they're still concerned about his off the field behavior.

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure but in that case I would rather have DMC in there for that. He can get knocked off balance but he is a load coming downhill.

part of that is the problem with the RBBC the opponent knows what is coming. My hope is someone can stand up and play RB as a Lead RB who is capable of handing all downs and distance and situations. Not talking the same workload as last year but someone who can actually play the RB position and all it's aspects. The object to keep defense off balance not give away what you are doing based on the personnel that comes into a given situation

 

[big dog cowboy]

Cowboys have never had great success when we had RBBC.

Doesn't mean it can't happen this year.

 

[Doomsday101]

Doesn't mean it can't happen this year.

It can snow in Houston in July as well anything is possible
I hope someone stand up and can play the darn position and not have to bring guys in and out because they are not capable of being true RB who can run, catch and block. Having someone come in to relieve is great but I would hope our main RB who ever it may be is at least capable of doing the job of a RB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

part of that is the problem with the RBBC the opponent knows what is coming. My hope is someone can stand up and play RB as a Lead RB who is capable of handing all downs and distance and situations. Not talking the same workload as last year but someone who can actually play the RB position and all it's aspects. The object to keep defense off balance not give away what you are doing based on the personnel that comes into a given situation

That all depends on how the scheme is run. We only have a few plays. Stretch, inside zones across the line, counters. If DMC is in there he sure as heck can pass protect so it doesn't tip run. Not really sure your concern is real.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Really depends on the RB themselves, Cowboys have never had great success when we had RBBC. I hope someone steps up and shows they can handle a good portion of the carries and be able to get into the flow of a game as opposed to trying to give each guy x number of carries a game. I would like to think one guy can have around 200 carries on the season which is only 12.5 carries a game and someone we can count on in big situations. I hope one of these guys can

Before Dorsett Landry used to rotate Hill, Newhouse, Thomas, Reeves, et al. Parcells rotated his backs when he was here. Then you look to the rest of the NFL and the concern becomes ridiculous.

 

[5Stars]

part of that is the problem with the RBBC the opponent knows what is coming. My hope is someone can stand up and play RB as a Lead RB who is capable of handing all downs and distance and situations. Not talking the same workload as last year but someone who can actually play the RB position and all it's aspects. The object to keep defense off balance not give away what you are doing based on the personnel that comes into a given situation

That is not entirely true...it could have the reverse effect because each RB has a different skill set and also the play design is not going to be the same as it was with just Murray. With Murray everyone knew what was coming.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you're reading that into my posts you're wrong! His off the field issues weren't completely resolved until after McFadden was signed. There was a lot of talk that the Cowboys might move on from Randle due to lack of trust. Even now I'm sure they're still concerned about his off the field behavior.

Feigning certainty in an uncertain world is likely to get you burned. Good luck with that epistemology.