Current RB outlook

[Doomsday101]

Not much is being weighed into the situation. If someone could say there was no significant difference between Randle carries in the first versus the fourth quarter, I might be convinced.

Thing is, I doubt there is enough to actually make a relevant comparison.

I think the biggest deal was coaches did not use him much at all, they had faith in Murray to do the job and when it came to Dunbar and Randle they did not have the same faith

 

[AbeBeta]

Not much is being weighed into the situation. If someone could say there was no significant difference between Randle carries in the first versus the fourth quarter, I might be convinced.

Thing is, I doubt there is enough to actually make a relevant comparison.

Low sample size for sure. But Randle last year averaged 9.1 per carry on 11 rushes in the first and 7.0 YPC on 16 in the fourth.

 

[AbeBeta]

I think the biggest deal was coaches did not use him much at all, they had faith in Murray to do the job and when it came to Dunbar and Randle they did not have the same faith

Sure, but why would you place your faith in those guys when you have someone who is producing the most dominant season in team history?

 

[Doomsday101]

Low sample size for sure. But Randle last year averaged 9.1 per carry on 11 rushes in the first and 7.0 YPC on 16 in the fourth.

and no way he will avg that next season if asked to carry the ball a lot more than 3 carry avg. He can have 1 good run and move the avg way up but when the rest of his runs are 2.0 a carry that is not going to get it done. Coaches did not think it was the best thing to play him over Murray why because he is not as good of a RB. YPC on those few carries are meaningless

 

[Doomsday101]

Sure, but why would you place your faith in those guys when you have someone who is producing the most dominant season in team history?

Because they can't, coaches see these guys day in and day you guys see them on sunday. Randle can have bad runs break 1 for a good gainer and wow his avg looks good. Hambrick did the same thing but when it fell to him to actually carry the bigger load he failed to do it. I hope Randle does a good job I really do but using some 3 carries a game avg and comparing his YPC vs a guy who is carrying the ball over 300 times in a season in all situations is a joke.

 

[AbeBeta]

and no way he will avg that next season if asked to carry the ball a lot more than 3 carry avg. He can have 1 good run and move the avg way up but when the rest of his runs are 2.0 a carry that is not going to get it done. Coaches did not think it was the best thing to play him over Murray why because he is not as good of a RB. YPC on those few carries are meaningless

Obviously, he's not going to average that over the year. But he did have 11 runs of 10 or more yards on just 51 carries, so that's not really consistent with what you are claiming. In a very small sample, that is still a gaudy percentage of quality runs.

 

[AbeBeta]

Because they can't, coaches see these guys day in and day you guys see them on sunday. Randle can have bad runs break 1 for a good gainer and wow his avg looks good. Hambrick did the same thing but when it fell to him to actually carry the bigger load he failed to do it. I hope Randle does a good job I really do but using some 3 carries a game avg and comparing his YPC vs a guy who is carrying the ball over 300 times in a season in all situations is a joke.

When exactly was I making that comparison?

I pointed out that the approach where a poster suggested that if you take out the big runs it shows that Randle was ineffective was stupid as that sort of approach will make any back - even Murray who was a flat out stud last year - look like a poor RB.

 

[KJJ]

As the numbers, i presented for Murray showed, it is feast or famine with any back if you define things as you have.

When Murray got his opportunity to play in 2011 due to Felix Jones being injured he made the most of it with a franchise record 253 yards behind a transitioning OL. He put up 601 yards in a 4 game stretch that season. When Randle got his opportunity to play due to Murray being injured he laid a rotten egg behind an OL that was better than the one Murray ran behind 2 years earlier. Randle helped cost the Cowboys the Lions game due to not being able to pick up the tough yards. He averaged 1.9 a carry on 14 carries.

It's easy to see the point I've been making with him. Murray picks up a lot of tough yards that move the chains. Other than the one 25 yard pop vs Seattle he had to scratch and claw for most of his 115 yards. He wore down that Legion of Doom defense with his stiff arming and relentless running. He carried the ball 28 times in that game sucking the will out of one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in more than a decade. The tough yards Murray picked up in that game the Cowboys aren't going to get from Randle or any of the backs they currently have.

 

[5Stars]

When Murray got his opportunity to play in 2011 due to Felix Jones being injured he made the most of it with a franchise record 253 yards behind a transitioning OL. He put up 601 yards in a 4 game stretch that season. When Randle got his opportunity to play due to Murray being injured he laid a rotten egg behind an OL that was better than the one Murray ran behind 2 years earlier. Randle helped cost the Cowboys the Lions game due to not being able to pick up the tough yards. He averaged 1.9 a carry on 14 carries.

It's easy to see the point I've been making with him. Murray picks up a lot of tough yards that move the chains. Other than the one 25 yard pop vs Seattle he had to scratch and claw for most of his 115 yards. He wore down that Legion of Doom defense with his stiff arming and relentless running. He carried the ball 28 times in that game sucking the will out of one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in more than a decade. The tough yards Murray picked up in that game the Cowboys aren't going to get from Randle or any of the backs they currently have.

And you know this how? Because it is your opinion or that you are the great all knowing KJJ?

 

[Doomsday101]

Obviously, he's not going to average that over the year. But he did have 11 runs of 10 or more yards on just 51 carries, so that's not really consistent with what you are claiming. In a very small sample, that is still a gaudy percentage of quality runs.

It is one thing to come in an have hole to run though and pick up yardage and another when the holes are not so big and you have to find some opening and hit hard and drive to pick up those 3, 4 and 5 yards. I think speed wise Randle is quicker what I have yet to see is those run when there is not much there for him to run through and be able to grind out those yards.

 

[Doomsday101]

When exactly was I making that comparison?

I pointed out that the approach where a poster suggested that if you take out the big runs it shows that Randle was ineffective was stupid as that sort of approach will make any back - even Murray who was a flat out stud last year - look like a poor RB.

Murray was in for most all situation those time when you down on the goal line that run and his YPC suffer but the TD is what matters. Those situation where you need 2 yard to move the chains and not much there to run through it kills the avg but it moves the chain. YPC for a guy coming on so few carries tells you nothing.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hope Randle does a good job but using his YPC as some determining factor of how he will do this coming season makes no sense.

 

[AbeBeta]

When Murray got his opportunity to play in 2011 due to Felix Jones being injured he made the most of it with a franchise record 253 yards behind a transitioning OL. He put up 601 yards in a 4 game stretch that season. When Randle got his opportunity to play due to Murray being injured he laid a rotten egg behind an OL that was better than the one Murray ran behind 2 years earlier. Randle helped cost the Cowboys the Lions game due to not being able to pick up the tough yards. He averaged 1.9 a carry on 14 carries.

It's easy to see the point I've been making with him. Murray picks up a lot of tough yards that move the chains. Other than the one 25 yard pop vs Seattle he had to scratch and claw for most of his 115 yards. He wore down that Legion of Doom defense with his stiff arming and relentless running. He carried the ball 28 times in that game sucking the will out of one of the best defenses the NFL has seen in more than a decade. The tough yards Murray picked up in that game the Cowboys aren't going to get from Randle or any of the backs they currently have.

I'm not disagreeing that Murray is going to be near impossible to replace.

I am taking issue with what I see as a ridiculous and misguided use of statistics to try to make your point.

It is cute that you think Randle helped cost us the Lions game though given that our defense gave up over 600 yards

 

[5Stars]

It is one thing to come in an have hole to run though and pick up yardage and another when the holes are not so big and you have to find some opening and hit hard and drive to pick up those 3, 4 and 5 yards. I think speed wise Randle is quicker what I have yet to see is those run when there is not much there for him to run through and be able to grind out those yards.

Maybe that is because Randle was not the featured back? Isn't is said that a running back can get better with more carries during a game?

Nobody knows what he will do if he is a starter.

 

[KJJ]

When exactly was I making that comparison?

I pointed out that the approach where a poster suggested that if you take out the big runs it shows that Randle was ineffective was stupid as that sort of approach will make any back - even Murray who was a flat out stud last year - look like a poor RB.

If you took out all of Murray's long runs he was still picking up a lot of tough yards that we haven't seen Randle pick up which is why he didn't receive more carries. Garrett was saying several weeks ago the team has to continue picking up the dirty yards and that's the biggest concern most have with the Cowboys current RB's. McFadden is stiff and can't make anyone miss and he's not durable enough to pound at defenses. Randle is quick and shifty but he's not going to run many defenders over. The Cowboys need a thumper someone who can move a pile or those tough yards are going to come a lot tougher in 2015.

 

[Doomsday101]

Maybe that is because Randle was not the featured back? Isn't is said that a running back can get better with more carries during a game?

Nobody knows what he will do if he is a starter.

True he is a question mark. What gets me is people who want to take YPC and compare a guy who is getting an avg of 3 a game to a guy who is getting around 25 a game. It is not the same and the situation they coming are not the same.

 

[dallasdave]

 

[5Stars]

True he is a question mark. What gets me is people who want to take YPC and compare a guy who is getting an avg of 3 a game to a guy who is getting around 25 a game. It is not the same and the situation they coming are not the same.

That's true...IMO, Randle may never duplicate what Murray did last season, but he never got the chance. But, when he was given the opportunities he did a somewhat good job.

I would have bet money that if Randle had carried that ball that Murray fumbled during the GB game, he would have not had the ball stripped and he was in the endzone. But, again, that is just my opinion.

And, if the coaches adjust their scheme, they still have a fullback that can get a few yards if needed.

 

[KJJ]

I'm not disagreeing that Murray is going to be near impossible to replace.

I am taking issue with what I see as a ridiculous and misguided use of statistics to try to make your point.

It is cute that you think Randle helped cost us the Lions game though given that our defense gave up over 600 yards

Where are the 4-8 yard carries with Randle care to point all of them out? It shouldn't be hard he hasn't had many. As for the Detroit game the defense wouldn't have given up 600 yards had the Cowboys been able to maintain the ball with their running game. Of the Lions 600 yards 80 of those yards came on their final possession due to Randle and Tanner taking back to back losses when the Cowboys were trying to run out the clock. The Cowboys only had 13 first downs in that game due to not being able to maintain the ball giving the Lions plenty of opportunities to exploit the Cowboys defense.

 

[5Stars]

Where are the 4-8 yard carries with Randle care to point all of them out? It shouldn't be hard he hasn't had many. As for the Detroit game the defense wouldn't have given up 600 yards had the Cowboys been able to maintain the ball with their running game. Of the Lions 600 yards 80 of those yards came on their final possession due to Randle and Tanner taking back to back losses when the Cowboys were trying to run out the clock. The Cowboys only had 13 first downs in that game due to not being able to maintain the ball giving the Lions plenty of opportunities to exploit the Cowboys defense.

Oh, so now it is Randle's fault that the defense gave up 600 yards? You are such a joke!