D-law on the refs

[Mac_MaloneV1]

It was the point of the post you responded to. You said teams in the NFL can't overcome bad officiating after he said we could have. Yet we were on the verge of that if not for ourselves, am I right?

So would good teams have taken advantage of 1st and Goal at the 6 with time to run 4 plays or not? I mean, if they execute there, they effectively overcome all the injustice bestowed upon them all game long, right?

Ok fine. They can but it takes a miracle final drive to do it.

Distilling it down to that final sequence totally misses the point.

And no, the idea that you have to be a good team to score there is preposterous. Good team, bad team...scoring from there is pretty much a toss up.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Moving the ball? The last drive was a 33 PI call, a 10 yard pass with 15 yards added for roughing the passer, then 14 yard pass, 5 yard penalty on eagles and that is as close as they got before dallas false start, sack, pass incomplete, delay of game drove them back.

The PI was because the corner got roasted. Then they completed two more passes. Yes, they were moving the ball. The cheap roughing just expedited it, but they would have been in the same spot they finished anyways more than likely.

How are people so obsessed with saying anything Dallas does well is actually bad?

 

[RonnieT24]

More yards against Eagles. More 1st downs (40%) handed to Dallas. You want more. Game thread indicates "35 missed Holds against eagles". It's that way EVERY loss we have.

Imagine...an NFL game...where a team is penalized 40 times for 400 yards.

That's what you want...what you think is fair. Opponents: 40 penalties for 400 yds...Dallas 0 penalties for 0 yards. That's what you think is fair.

More yds against Eagles....more 1st downs handed to Dallas. Let it sink in. But you want more...More...MORE.

Carry on with kindergarten level of critical thinking if you must. I have no use for it. I suspect neither does anyone else.

 

[RonnieT24]

It was the point of the post you responded to. You said teams in the NFL can't overcome bad officiating after he said we could have. Yet we were on the verge of that if not for ourselves, am I right?

So would good teams have taken advantage of 1st and Goal at the 6 with time to run 4 plays or not? I mean, if they execute there, they effectively overcome all the injustice bestowed upon them all game long, right?

THIS is what people are REALLY upset about. The refs are just a convenient target.

All an assumption. I am firmly of the mind that had the Cowboys managed to score in that sequence there would have been a convenient hold or illegal formation waiting to be called. Yes teams can overcome BAD officiating.. but no team can overcome BIASED officiating.

 

[kskboys]

Execute better overall is the theme.

So, the CB is tightly covering the WR, the ball goes way out of bounds, and the CB is erroneously called for PI.

Do you even know what you're asking?

 

[Creeper]

The Refs penalized the Eagles more yards than Dallas.

Totally meaningless. 1/3 of the Eagles penalty yards came on 1 play, which was clearly pass interference. When you look at the game with the calls and non-calls it is clear the Cowboys were hurt by some calls. And remember, the Eagles had a game a couple of weeks ago againsts Miami where they were called for 0 penalties and the Dolphins 10. Replays of that game showed the Dolphins were screwed too.

But I am not arguing the refs cost Dallas the game. The officiating is horrible all over the league. Getting Dak sacked 5 times and especially on drives inside the red zone is what cost them the game, despite the officiating.

But if I were Goodell, I would be concerned about the quality of officiating around the league. It seems worse than ever this year.

 

[ESisback]

The Refs penalized the Eagles more yards than Dallas.

The timing and how it affects game outcomes is the important thing.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Carry on with kindergarten level of critical thinking if you must. I have no use for it. I suspect neither does anyone else.

Ok....but let it sink in: the refs hurt the Eagles worse than they hurt us.

40% more penalty 1st downs given to us.

Let it sink in. We benefited more...MORE...than our opponents did from the refs. Let reality sink in.

 

[kskboys]

Totally meaningless. 1/3 of the Eagles penalty yards came on 1 play, which was clearly pass interference. When you look at the game with the calls and non-calls it is clear the Cowboys were hurt by some calls. And remember, the Eagles had a game a couple of weeks ago againsts Miami where they were called for 0 penalties and the Dolphins 10. Replays of that game showed the Dolphins were screwed too.

But I am not arguing the refs cost Dallas the game. The officiating is horrible all over the league. Getting Dak sacked 5 times and especially on drives inside the red zone is what cost them the game, despite the officiating.

But if I were Goodell, I would be concerned about the quality of officiating around the league. It seems worse than ever this year.

It's not when you put it in the right perspective. The league wants close games. They assign the refs to give them that. The officiating is better than ever in their eyes.

 

[Blackspider214]

Don't be fooled by the total penalty numbers for each team and yardage. What is not on those is all the missed calls. On the drive we had when we could have taken a lead, refs threw a flag on a clear hands to the face for the Eagles DB. It was right in front of him. They then picked up the flag with zero explanation. Announcers said nothing. Believe they then cut to a commercial. This would have been a 1st down. These types of no calls change the outcome of games but missed calls are never on the stat sheet. People will see the stats and see the calls looked even. A lot of that was on the final drive for us. Refs throwing us a bone, not even really thinking it will matter.

Also, on our failed 4th and goal inside the 2, Schoonmaker is being tackled to the ground before the pass got to him, hence why he was tackled short of the goal line. Not called and 7pts off the board. Then on a 4th down when we threw to Tolbert, he was being pulled twice to impede him getting into his route and making a move on the Eagles DB. This made the pass look like it was way overthrown. But that was a timing out route but he wasn't allowed to make it up the field and get in position. And with our terrible OL, a quick throw needs to be made. This was right after we were called for a slight tug on the jersey on the 2nd half Eagles TD drive where the refs guided them down the field.

This has been going on forever now with Dallas. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. This happens so often when we play big games. This goes beyond just refs being bad. They aren't calling the game the same for both teams. And just a few weeks ago, Eagles got called for no penalties, which definitely stinks.

 

[ESisback]

The holding call on Schoonmaker was just as bad.

See “3)” in my post.

 

[charron]

The PI was because the corner got roasted. Then they completed two more passes. Yes, they were moving the ball. The cheap roughing just expedited it, but they would have been in the same spot they finished anyways more than likely.

How are people so obsessed with saying anything Dallas does well is actually bad?

They completed 2 passes for 25 yards, maybe Gallup catches the 33 yard pass but I don't know that. I don't believe that get that close without the penalties.

 

[CWR]

The Founding Fathers of the NFL all have ties to illegal Gambling. Football was created for Gambling. Refs are Judges and Lawyers which makes them professional Liars and If they happen to be a Freemason, their loyalty is with that Society

There is something called the Widow's Son If Freemasons must save a fellow traveler in a court sitting what do you think they will do for t their fellow Freemasons who own the NFL

When people act like refs are beyond reproach I point to the NBA where it's been documented a ref was cheating. It happens and the NFL isn't above corruption.

BTW you got 9 games before that user name is retired. I told you Dak wasn't getting benched. He will finish this year without coming close.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Totally meaningless. 1/3 of the Eagles penalty yards came on 1 play, which was clearly pass interference. When you look at the game with the calls and non-calls it is clear the Cowboys were hurt by some calls. And remember, the Eagles had a game a couple of weeks ago againsts Miami where they were called for 0 penalties and the Dolphins 10. Replays of that game showed the Dolphins were screwed too.

But I am not arguing the refs cost Dallas the game. The officiating is horrible all over the league. Getting Dak sacked 5 times and especially on drives inside the red zone is what cost them the game, despite the officiating.

But if I were Goodell, I would be concerned about the quality of officiating around the league. It seems worse than ever this year.

The officiating is bad league wide....and the officials themselves are victims of a convoluted set of ever changing rules.

It leads to scattershot officiating.

Sometimes we benefit from it (like against Philly, when we were granted 40% more penalty 1st downs than the Eagles were), and sometimes we come out on the other end.

It all evens out, and over course of season doesn't affect what any team (including us) would have accomplished anyway.....but it IS a convoluted system....even if it isn't scripted like a lot of silly people actually think and believe

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

The timing and how it affects game outcomes is the important thing.

We benefited from calls more than Philly in this game. Let it sink in. It's not fun...I know.

 

[Pass2Run]

D-Law.. Sorry hit the enter button.

D-law on the refs.

".....Our offense had a great game, Just crazy to me that the whole first half the refs didn't want to get involved and now in the second half we getting all these penalities.... "

Much respect for DLaw here. He's been setting ego and stats aside and playing complimentary football. Don't let the haters fool you into believing otherwise.

 

[Pass2Run]

People that can’t have discussions about all aspects that affect the outcome of the game go to tired platitudes that make them feel superior.

Pour one out for my boy, Trickblue.

 

[MarcusRock]

Ok fine. They can but it takes a miracle final drive to do it.

Distilling it down to that final sequence totally misses the point.

And no, the idea that you have to be a good team to score there is preposterous. Good team, bad team...scoring from there is pretty much a toss up.

Miracle or not, they were there. And you're right about not needing to be a good team, they needed to only be competent.

And the final sequence was the reality of the situation. We can "what if" this up and down all day but the fact was it was there for the taking and we failed miserably. And again, it was the point of the post you quoted so I'm simply telling you the guy was right.

And it ain't a tossup from there. With all the red zone problems we've had all year long, that needed to be a layup redemption moment. We failed. And on a pretty big stage too. Damn right fans are pissed. Refs make the best displacement targets.

 

[ESisback]

The officiating is bad league wide....and the officials themselves are victims of a convoluted set of ever changing rules.

It leads to scattershot officiating.

Sometimes we benefit from it (like against Philly, when we were granted 40% more penalty 1st downs than the Eagles were), and sometimes we come out on the other end.

It all evens out, and over course of season doesn't affect what any team (including us) would have accomplished anyway.....but it IS a convoluted system....even if it isn't scripted like a lot of silly people actually think and believe

Very few people think it’s “scripted”. We just think the league favors the most profitable outcomes, and subjective penalties allow them to influence outcomes without the appearance of provable malfeasance.

 

[MarcusRock]

All an assumption. I am firmly of the mind that had the Cowboys managed to score in that sequence there would have been a convenient hold or illegal formation waiting to be called. Yes teams can overcome BAD officiating.. but no team can overcome BIASED officiating.

How about actually scoring and seeing what comes from that? This is utter victim and excuse mentality. Hell, why not just take a knee or two since the refs won't let you score?