Da Vinci Code

[WV Cowboy]

And if a person believes what they see in the movie theatre, they probably have much bigger issues......like avoiding vampires and werewolves.

Kids can be very impressionable, even up to age 18, 19, 20.

And for some this could be their first impression of Jesus Christ.

First impressions can be hard to alter.

For those of you that don't have a personal relationship with Christ, and don't think this is such a big deal, .. think how you might feel if someone very near and dear to you, that you love, was being misrepresented publicly on such a large scale.

What if someone was publicly slandering your mother, or your wife, ... saying they were lesbians, or prostitutes, or child molestors, and people across the country believed it ?

It would not sit well with you.

For Christians, our hope is in Jesus, and we don't want to see Him torn down.

 

[Hoov]

DaVinci Code was the only Dan Brown book i've read. I liked it, but that is probably because i have a big intrest in spiritual symbolism. The ending was disappointing, was expecting something more.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Kids can be very impressionable, even up to age 18, 19, 20.

And for some this could be their first impression of Jesus Christ.

First impressions can be hard to alter.

For those of you that don't have a personal relationship with Christ, and don't think this is such a big deal, .. think how you might feel if someone very near and dear to you, that you love, was being misrepresented publicly on such a large scale.

What if someone was publicly slandering your mother, or your wife, ... saying they were lesbians, or prostitutes, or child molestors, and people across the country believed it ?

It would not sit well with you.

For Christians, our hope is in Jesus, and we don't want to see Him torn down.

If you worry what people think of you, because of your faith, you might want to re-evaluate why you have that faith to begin with.

That is not a rip on anyone of faith or you personally.

If someone has trouble not knowing fiction from fact in a book or movie.
If they can't do it on their own OR have someone to explain it to them (as a parent or guardian)...then once again they have bigger problems IMO.

 

[WV Cowboy]

If you worry what people think of you, because of your faith, you might want to re-evaluate why you have that faith to begin with.

That is not a rip on anyone of faith or you personally.

If someone has trouble not knowing fiction from fact in a book or movie.
If they can't do it on their own OR have someone to explain it to them (as a parent or guardian)...then once again they have bigger problems IMO.

So if they were broadcasting on MSNBC, FOXNews, and CNN that your wife was sleeping around for instance, .. that wouldn't affect you ? You wouldn't care ? I have a hard time believing that. I get the feeling you would take offense to that.

I don't care at all what people think about me, for my faith or anything else, ... but I do want them to know the truth about Jesus.

And many people can't do it on their own, many don't have a good role model in their lives, parents that are there and active, or even have guardians,... so yes, they do have bigger problems.

Jesus has been known to help many people just like these.

 

[EveryoneElse]

So if they were broadcasting on MSNBC, FOXNews, and CNN that your wife was sleeping around for instance, .. that wouldn't affect you ? You wouldn't care ? I have a hard time believing that. I get the feeling you would take offense to that.

I don't care at all what people think about me, for my faith or anything else, ... but I do want them to know the truth about Jesus.

And many people can't do it on their own, many don't have a good role model in their lives, parents that are there and active, or even have guardians,... so yes, they do have bigger problems.

Jesus has been known to help many people just like these.

Amen WV, I couldn't have said it better myself.

There is a truth to be told, it's just that people hasve to sift throuhg the lies and mis-truths to get there.

I doubt i would have found Christ on my own. Sometimes all it takes is showing and having a heart like Jesus that will spark someones interest, thats what happened to me .

This movie is a big deal, and though I don't agree with the movie, cause it's false, it is going to wake a lot of people up, and people will ask questions.

The truth will be spread.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

So if they were broadcasting on MSNBC, FOXNews, and CNN that your wife was sleeping around for instance, .. that wouldn't affect you ? You wouldn't care ? I have a hard time believing that. I get the feeling you would take offense to that.

I don't care at all what people think about me, for my faith or anything else, ... but I do want them to know the truth about Jesus.

And many people can't do it on their own, many don't have a good role model in their lives, parents that are there and active, or even have guardians,... so yes, they do have bigger problems.

Jesus has been known to help many people just like these.

:laugh1:

I doubt ANY news agency is going to be talking about my wife since we are so poor nobody would care.

Point is you know what you are, you know your religion, you know this is a work of FICTION so it is not hurting you at all.

If others can't figure it out, maybe the other people of religion should hold classes.

I actually seen someone on a talk show that was a preacher or pastor that was going to rent a whole theater and have his flock watch the movie.

Then he was going to have a few sermons or classes to discuss what the bible says about things.

In otherwords instead of complaining about it, he was going to use it as an education situation.

THAT I think is the right way to go.

I don't watch star wars or star trek and think that we can travel at the speed of light and have met millions of different alien races.

 

[Hoov]

:laugh1:

I doubt ANY news agency is going to be talking about my wife since we are so poor nobody would care.

Point is you know what you are, you know your religion, you know this is a work of FICTION so it is not hurting you at all.

If others can't figure it out, maybe the other people of religion should hold classes.

I actually seen someone on a talk show that was a preacher or pastor that was going to rent a whole theater and have his flock watch the movie.

Then he was going to have a few sermons or classes to discuss what the bible says about things.

In otherwords instead of complaining about it, he was going to use it as an education situation.

THAT I think is the right way to go.

I don't watch star wars or star trek and think that we can travel at the speed of light and have met millions of different alien races.

Dude, you havent figured out how to travel at the speed of light yet ?

You just need someone to sit down and explain start trek to you, its all there in the hidden meanings of various quotes, encoded of course so only certain privledged people can really understand it.

 

[junk]

:laugh1:

I doubt ANY news agency is going to be talking about my wife since we are so poor nobody would care.

Point is you know what you are, you know your religion, you know this is a work of FICTION so it is not hurting you at all.

If others can't figure it out, maybe the other people of religion should hold classes.

I actually seen someone on a talk show that was a preacher or pastor that was going to rent a whole theater and have his flock watch the movie.

Then he was going to have a few sermons or classes to discuss what the bible says about things.

In otherwords instead of complaining about it, he was going to use it as an education situation.

THAT I think is the right way to go.

I don't watch star wars or star trek and think that we can travel at the speed of light and have met millions of different alien races.

Well said. This whole idea of "People are impressionable and we need to protect them from this stuff" is one step away from book burnings.

Comparing it to a factual account on a news station is just silly. Apples and oranges. A fictional book/movie vs. a news agency.

One of the things you have to deal with in life is making decisions about who you are and what you believe. If you are really influenced by a movie, I think you probably have bigger issues.....like being able to simply function in life.

For those trashing it, have you seen the movie or read the book?

Howard does a good job of presenting both sides of the issue at hand.

 

[trickblue]

I don't watch star wars or star trek and think that we can travel at the speed of light and have met millions of different alien races.

You need to read up on John Titor my friend...

 

[Danny White]

Just for the sake of argument:

I haven't read the DaVinici book, so I'm not sure what they're suggesting exactly. But my impression is that they're suggesting that Jesus and Mary were married and had a child.

While I don't think this is true, and I don't think there's any evidence to support it... even so, does such an assertion really rise to the level of blasphemy or slander what Jesus was?

Does such an assertion contradict anything from the Bible? If it does, I'm unaware of it. I may be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

Jesus is the Word made flesh. Does this preclude him from marrying and having a family?

If Jesus did marry, he still can be without sin, can he not?

I think we're so used to Hollywood blaspheming Christ, that we're sensitive to any attempt to dramatize His life. But keep in mind that the accusation isn't that he was gay, or philandering. It is that he was married and had a family. There is nothing wrong in that, is there? Is that a sin or a slander against the name of Christ?

Again, if there is anywhere in the Bible that specifically precludes this, then I withdraw my argument. But if there is not, then where is the slander in such a suggestion? Mind you, I think it's purely fanciful and that there's no real evidence to suggest such a marriage. I'm just saying that it's not a damning suggestion.

All that said, from what I've seen and heard about the DaVinici book and movie, it does attempt to undermine religion, and I think that there are probably some objectionable elements to it. I'm just not sure if the BIG controversy is really so controversial.

 

[Hoov]

Well said. This whole idea of "People are impressionable and we need to protect them from this stuff" is one step away from book burnings.

Comparing it to a factual account on a news station is just silly. Apples and oranges. A fictional book/movie vs. a news agency.

One of the things you have to deal with in life is making decisions about who you are and what you believe. If you are really influenced by a movie, I think you probably have bigger issues.....like being able to simply function in life.

For those trashing it, have you seen the movie or read the book?

Howard does a good job of presenting both sides of the issue at hand.

After watching pirates of the carribean i realized my life long dream is to become just like capt jack sparrow. im getting my hair braided with beads this w/e, i keep getting funny looks about the bandana and eye makeup though.

 

[Hoov]

Just for the sake of argument:

I haven't read the DaVinici book, so I'm not sure what they're suggesting exactly. But my impression is that they're suggesting that Jesus and Mary were married and had a child.

While I don't think this is true, and I don't think there's any evidence to support it... even so, does such an assertion really rise to the level of blasphemy or slander what Jesus was?

Does such an assertion contradict anything from the Bible? If it does, I'm unaware of it. I may be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

Jesus is the Word made flesh. Does this preclude him from marrying and having a family?

If Jesus did marry, he still can be without sin, can he not?

I think we're so used to Hollywood blaspheming Christ, that we're sensitive to any attempt to dramatize His life. But keep in mind that the accusation isn't that he was gay, or philandering. It is that he was married and had a family. There is nothing wrong in that, is there? Is that a sin or a slander against the name of Christ?

Again, if there is anywhere in the Bible that specifically precludes this, then I withdraw my argument. But if there is not, then where is the slander in such a suggestion? Mind you, I think it's purely fanciful and that there's no real evidence to suggest such a marriage. I'm just saying that it's not a damning suggestion.

All that said, from what I've seen and heard about the DaVinici book and movie, it does attempt to undermine religion, and I think that there are probably some objectionable elements to it. I'm just not sure if the BIG controversy is really so controversial.

There actually is a caharcter in the book/movie whose is obsessed with bringing down the catholic church and so there is a bit of bad mouthing the catholic church throughout the book, though in the end this particular character is made to appear like an obsessed crazed fool willing to kill for his agenda. (though he was one of my favorites up to that point)

 

[Yeagermeister]

After watching pirates of the carribean i realized my life long dream is to become just like capt jack sparrow. im getting my hair braided with beads this w/e, i keep getting funny looks about the bandana and eye makeup though.

You want to be a gay drunk pirate?

 

[blindzebra]

Besides not being able to separate facts from fiction, there is a much bigger issue at work here.

Why is it so unthinkable and objectionable to think of Jesus' time on earth being spent as a man?

Does it change the message?

Does it change him dying for our sins?

What difference does it make if Mary Magdalene wasn't a fallen woman saved, but an important follower and leader in Christianity?

I for one embrace the notion of a human Jesus. It is comforting to think that we all can be the sons and daughters of God. That we all can choose to follow the teachings and be more than just a man/woman by doing so. That we all have the power to change the world for the better because of how we lead our lives

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Besides not being able to separate facts from fiction, there is a much bigger issue at work here.

Why is it so unthinkable and objectionable to think of Jesus' time on earth being spent as a man?

Does it change the message?

Does it change him dying for our sins?

What difference does it make if Mary Magdalene wasn't a fallen woman saved, but an important follower and leader in Christianity?

I for one embrace the notion of a human Jesus. It is comforting to think that we all can be the sons and daughters of God. That we all can choose to follow the teachings and be more than just a man/woman by doing so. That we all have the power to change the world for the better because of how we lead our lives

The movie doesn't disparage Jesus of Nazareth in the least. All it states is that he had <gasp> intercourse with Mary Magdalene and she had his daughter.

Anyone who believes a man lived on Earth for 33 years and remained a virgin is delusional. Clearly he had intercourse, whether it was with Magdalene or not is irrelevant. I would be more shocked to think Jesus didn't have intercourse. He was God made into flesh, therefore he had to be like all men. He could be both human and divine at the same time. If Christ was only divine, then he could not have suffered on the cross. He suffered because he was human and felt pain like the rest of us. As a result, he probably also was like the rest of us in terms of illnesses, injuries, fatigue and sexual desire.

 

[Boom]

Anyone who believes a man lived on Earth for 33 years and remained a virgin is delusional.

A.C. would like to have a word with you.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Different time, back then it was expected that men would visit ladies of the evening when they were 13/14 to be broken in so to speak.

 

[junk]

Besides not being able to separate facts from fiction, there is a much bigger issue at work here.

Why is it so unthinkable and objectionable to think of Jesus' time on earth being spent as a man?

Does it change the message?

Does it change him dying for our sins?

What difference does it make if Mary Magdalene wasn't a fallen woman saved, but an important follower and leader in Christianity?

I for one embrace the notion of a human Jesus. It is comforting to think that we all can be the sons and daughters of God. That we all can choose to follow the teachings and be more than just a man/woman by doing so. That we all have the power to change the world for the better because of how we lead our lives

And that is what Howard does a better job of trying to say than the book probably does. He even devotes a scene to it near the end in a discussion between Sophie and Langdon (Hanks).

Basically, I think the big concern is that it theorizes that Jesus wasn't divine when he walked the Earth, but rather a group decided to make him divine when Christianity was accepted as the religion of choice over Paganism by Constantine of Rome.

 

[Danny White]

Different time, back then it was expected that men would visit ladies of the evening when they were 13/14 to be broken in so to speak.

It's one thing to say Jesus may have theoretically married and had children... another to say sinned, visiting prostitutes, simply because he was man. He was also God... I think he could resist carousing other temptations of the flesh if need be.

He was here on earth for reasons other than "getting some" so I think making it 33 years without having sex is a pretty realistic possibility.

 

[blindzebra]

And that is what Howard does a better job of trying to say than the book probably does. He even devotes a scene to it near the end in a discussion between Sophie and Langdon (Hanks).

Basically, I think the big concern is that it theorizes that Jesus wasn't divine when he walked the Earth, but rather a group decided to make him divine when Christianity was accepted as the religion of choice over Paganism by Constantine of Rome.

Well we do know for a fact that other texts from the time of Christ existed and survived that tell a different story of his life and death...these texts were not included in the Bible, so it's not unthinkable to conclude that those in power at the time told the story that best fit their needs.

History is full of examples where political and personal agendas and religion intertwine.

It is naive to think that just because the words are divine that all of those entrusted with those words did not have their own interests in mind when they shared them.