Dak before/after the bye split

[Zman5]

yes, there is improvement. you add a two time probowler and 1000 yard receiver and a top 10 talent. if we didn't improve I would drop Dak right there and then. with that said, the results ultimately have to show in scoring and right now we averaged 20 pts prior to cooper and 21.4 after cooper. not a big difference given the talent he was provided. there is still 4 more games to play, so lets see if there is improvement.

That has some to do with the Kicker making all the FG before Cooper and missing a FG 4 games in a row after getting Cooper. Had he made those, the average would be up by 3. Also, sure handed dropped an easy TD and we could have scored in the last possession against the Saints if we needed to.

However, I do agree we need to do a better job in the redzone.

 

[kevm3]

the keys to improvement have already been mentioned

the o line improved... Cooper is a real number 1 at wide receiver and Scotty Linehan actually has to be creative now or face losing his job.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think Cooper is a big factor in the improvement we see in Dak, I also think Dak developing better chemistry with Gallup has been a big factor and I think we will continue to see Gallup and Dak develop that chemistry

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That has some to do with the Kicker making all the FG before Cooper and missing a FG 4 games in a row after getting Cooper. Had he made those, the average would be up by 3. Also, sure handed dropped an easy TD and we could have scored in the last possession against the Saints if we needed to.

However, I do agree we need to do a better job in the redzone.

if we scored TDs, it wouldn't matter. sounds like an excuse again for Dak, everyone keeps blaming everyone else around Dak, except hold Dak accountable....and now we are blaming the kicker.

 

[Zman5]

if we scored TDs, it wouldn't matter. sounds like an excuse again for Dak, everyone keeps blaming everyone else around Dak, except hold Dak accountable....and now we are blaming the kicker.

It's a fact. Not excuses. Go back and lookup Mahers misses and do the math. It's not hard.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's a fact. Not excuses. Go back and lookup Mahers misses and do the math. It's not hard.

so How many TD's did we score before and after cooper....that takes Maher out of the equation....

so as far as I am tracking, its the OL, the WRs not being good, the TE, the coaching, the scheme, the play calling and now Maher...check....can we come up with some culpability on defense, so we have everyone covered in the excuses list.

 

[Zman5]

so How many TD's did we score before and after cooper....that takes Maher out of the equation....

so as far as I am tracking, its the OL, the WRs not being good, the TE, the coaching, the scheme, the play calling and now Maher...check....can we come up with some culpability on defense, so we have everyone covered in the excuses list.

You posted ppg stat. I told you why that's misleading . Now you want to cherry pick data by only including TDs.
Sounds like you are making excuses to bash Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You posted ppg stat. I told you why that's misleading . Now you want to cherry pick data by only including TDs.
Sounds like you are making excuses to bash Dak.

no, not cherry picking anything..... the bottom line, we are only 1.4 points better with cooper....4 games to go. we will see. and I did say in the OP that, there is still games to be played...

sounds like you are making excuses for Dak. now blaming the kicker...too funny

 

[Doomsday101]

if we scored TDs, it wouldn't matter. sounds like an excuse again for Dak, everyone keeps blaming everyone else around Dak, except hold Dak accountable....and now we are blaming the kicker.

Dak and the offense need to improve in the redzone. I agree we need to be getting TD down in the redzone and not having to settle of FG. As for blame there is plenty to go around, I'm only interested in cleaning it up and putting 7's up.

 

[LatinMind]

Dak is gonna give you good and bad in every game. The bad now is the turnovers. His numbers would be even better if he was taking care of the football. IN the last 5 games since Cooper was aquired Dak has fumbled 5 times and lost 2 and thrown 1 int. Before that it he fumbled 6 times and lost 4, and had 4int. So he's not turning the ball over as much. But he's still losing the ball but the team is covering or he gets it back. Still thats the part of his game that i get irritated with.

Yes he's playing better no matter what the roaches want to say. But he still needs to put work in to get his chemistry with Gallup, set his feet and let it go. He shows he can hit it perfectly. The roaches want to point at the wide open miss he had with Gallup and it was a bad miss. But on the first drive he hit Gallup with a perfect pass when he was covered deep on the sideline. He's not going deep, but he's not relying on them check downs, and he's hitting alot of stuff intermediate. And thats what the NLF is today. Intermediate routes.

 

[pansophy]

It really goes back nine games, although his fumbles are a problem (OL issues haven't helped). Still, there's no doubt his passing has improved.

Prescott's passer rating
First 12 career games (2016) 108.3
next 8 games (2016-17) 92.3
next 8 games (2017) 85.5
next 8 games (2017-18) 80.8
last 9 games (2018) 101.9

Agreed. Also have seen more passes outside the numbers past 10 yards.

 

[pansophy]

I do find t humorous that before the season started, most people who pay attention were saying that our WR Corp and Te’s were the worst in the league.

And now that they have added a legit WR. People want to use that receivers addition as a slight against Dak. Because he didn’t “carry” the worst WR and TE groups in the league.

I don't know. There are lots of video examples of Dak not throwing to guys who were running open and folks complaining that Dak doesn't have anyone to throw to.

No questioning Dak has played better with Cooper on the team. Also estatic they got chemistry so quickly. I was really worried it would look like it did with Dez (even when Dez was open they seemed to misconnect).

 

[Ken]

Dak and the offense need to improve in the redzone. I agree we need to be getting TD down in the redzone and not having to settle of FG. As for blame there is plenty to go around, I'm only interested in cleaning it up and putting 7's up.

We do need to improve in the redzone. We get away from the run and don't use our strength down there. We also don't RPO, which should be a staple for us down there. The problem as I see it in the passing game is personel. We don't have guys who are Red Zone type of targets. Cooper has never been and teams are doubling him. So someone has to win 1 on 1 and I don't see it happening with the rest of the targets.

Rico seems like a guy who can post up and win quickly. I have no idea why we don't at least try it. This will continue to be a problem for us until we start committing to the run, rpo and trying to get scores with a walking mismatch like Rico.

IMO.

 

[Zman5]

no, not cherry picking anything..... the bottom line, we are only 1.4 points better with cooper....4 games to go. we will see. and I did say in the OP that, there is still games to be played...

sounds like you are making excuses for Dak. now blaming the kicker...too funny

It's more like you're blaming Dak for Maher missing his kicks.

That's ridiculous.

 

[Ddisco22]

Dak is a brand new QB since the bye. I didn't notice how much better he's played. I don't think anyone has.

Cmp Att Yds TD Int Cmp% Y/A Passer Rating
Before 128 206 1417 8 4 62 6.9 87
After 115 158 1258 6 1 73 8.0 106

Very annoying that what you see when you edit isn't what shows up in the forum. The columns are all lined up when I edit.

We need DAC and the offense to be explosive and smashed the Eagles the defense got there in taken care of

 

[jterrell]

Dak is just one of those guys that people either like or don't like and if he throws one incomplete pass his haters will say he's a bum. He is flawed, but he is still a good QB. If he masters the deep sideline pass, there would be nothing to complain about. I posted on anther thread, he does not have 1500 attempts yet, but once he does, he is eligible for NFL leader lists on pro football reference. Once he's eligible this is where he will stand

2nd all-time int % to only Rodgers 1.7
10th all-time passer rating 95.5
4th all-time completion % 65.7
35th all-time YPA 7.4 Which gets higher by the game with Cooper
67th all-time TD % 4.5 see above

Throw in his 1000 yards rushing in less than 3 seasons and 17 Rushing TD's to go with his 59 passing TD's and I will take him all day.

I think a lot of the hate comes from the love and loyalty to Romo. He may never be the passer Romo was, but that doesn't mean he won't be more of a winner.

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So much this!!
No 3rd year QB is a complete package and how many are playing in systems from the 90s that are meant for base personnel and pocket based timing passing?
Goff got a spread coach with every WR they could grab and is crushing it.
Wentz had 1 year of superb offensive play around it and looked like a stud then fell off badly as the talent around him fell off.

Dak has a serious lull from ATL last year til a few weeks into this year.
Poor OL play, lack of receiving options, losing Zeke for 6 games and all were more than he could overcome.
But he's bounced back mightily and playing well.
Most importantly he is leading the team to wins.

He's the best QB in the division. It's year 3 an that's a good start.

 

[jterrell]

We need DAC and the offense to be explosive and smashed the Eagles the defense got there in taken care of

If we hold the ball for 38 minutes because we are picking up 1st downs and holding a lead the entire game I could care less if we win 9-7.

Right now it is about doing whatever it takes to win and this defense doesn't seem to be putting us in any early holes where we have to go spread and pass every play to overcome.

Just move the ball, take care of the ball, win the game.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You posted ppg stat. I told you why that's misleading . Now you want to cherry pick data by only including TDs.
Sounds like you are making excuses to bash Dak.

first of all you have false stats. since the Cooper trade, Maher has missed 2 field goals, both of which were 50+. prior to the trade he missed 2 field goals. so over all he has missed 4 for the season....so you are arguing with misleading information. so the information I provided. 20 pts prior to cooper and 21.4 prior to cooper is valid and stands correct.....probably should have done your research and not try to come up with excuses for Dak.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It's more like you're blaming Dak for Maher missing his kicks.

That's ridiculous.

whaaattt!? who is blaming Dak....read the rest of the posts.....what I had originally said, we score 20 pts/gm prior to cooper trade. 21.4 after. not much improvement for a probowl type WR added to the team. slightly moving the needle. yeah yeah yeah I am sure every one of Dak lovers will say, they have to have a year together..... the response to my comment was that its because Maher missed 4 field goals, otherwise average would have been higher...well, that's totally fales because Maher missed two kicks prior to cooper trade. 2 kicks after Maher trade.... maher averaged 2.5 kicks per game prior to cooper trade. 2 kicks per game after the trade.

not blaming Dak for maher missing kicks. but to suggest scoring is lower because maher is missing kicks and its his fault and Dak is excused.... not buying that one...

what I am waiting for the Dak lover crowd is how they are going to blame the defense....because so far, its the OL, the coach, the scheme, the play calling, the WR, the TE, and now the kicker...but never Dak.

 

[Zman5]

whaaattt!? who is blaming Dak....read the rest of the posts.....what I had originally said, we score 20 pts/gm prior to cooper trade. 21.4 after. not much improvement for a probowl type WR added to the team. slightly moving the needle. yeah yeah yeah I am sure every one of Dak lovers will say, they have to have a year together..... the response to my comment was that its because Maher missed 4 field goals, otherwise average would have been higher...well, that's totally fales because Maher missed two kicks prior to cooper trade. 2 kicks after Maher trade.... maher averaged 2.5 kicks per game prior to cooper trade. 2 kicks per game after the trade.

not blaming Dak for maher missing kicks. but to suggest scoring is lower because maher is missing kicks and its his fault and Dak is excused.... not buying that one...

what I am waiting for the Dak lover crowd is how they are going to blame the defense....because so far, its the OL, the coach, the scheme, the play calling, the WR, the TE, and now the kicker...but never Dak.

So it's Dak's fault Bease dropped a perfectly thrown pass for TD? So It's Daks fault Maher missed a 2 FG and a PAT?
And it's Daks fault they didin't try to score at the end of the Saints game because they had the game won?

Yeh OK.