Dak decision making

Direwolf63 said:
No doubt he missed that throw which could have been a TD.

But on the whole, he's been better outside the pocket than in it. They should be designing more plays in space for him.
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That's been my impression too so maybe that play was an aberration, but it was just so disappointing because a big play was there to be made.
 
Direwolf63 said:
No doubt he missed that throw which could have been a TD.

But on the whole, he's been better outside the pocket than in it. They should be designing more plays in space for him.
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I said this a long time ago on the DC forum, think I said it here before as well... Dak is not a pocket passer. They knew he wasn't a pocket passer when they drafted him. Then they tried to take a guy, that already had poor mechanics, and inability to read defenses well, and tried to convert him into a pocket passer. There is no friggin way that someone isn't telling him not to run. Because he had chances to pickup a lot of yardage by running the ball. Someone somewhere in the staff is telling him not to run the ball. Then when he does do it, you hisitates too long, like he is going to get chewed out for it.

Staying in the pocket is like torture to him, you can see it in his face, his movements, etc... He is not Drew Brees. He can not read defenses and pick them apart with his pinpoint accuracy.

Let him play loose, do what the heck he feels comfortable doing.... getting out of the pocket, running the ball, etc... If you are going to keep him back there all season, then play to his stronger abilities, because pocket passer is not an ability he has, or ever will have.

He isn't the future here, but we might win some games if you just let him do what he feels comfortable doing. We sure won't lose anymore then will will forcing him to stay in the pocket. If he gets hurt playing that style, he gets hurt... what is the difference right now?
 
zerofill said:
I said this a long time ago on the DC forum, think I said it here before as well... Dak is not a pocket passer. They knew he wasn't a pocket passer when they drafted him. Then they tried to take a guy, that already had poor mechanics, and inability to read defenses well, and tried to convert him into a pocket passer. There is no friggin way that someone isn't telling him not to run. Because he had chances to pickup a lot of yardage by running the ball. Someone somewhere in the staff is telling him not to run the ball. Then when he does do it, you hisitates too long, like he is going to get chewed out for it.

Staying in the pocket is like torture to him, you can see it in his face, his movements, etc... He is not Drew Brees. He can not read defenses and pick them apart with his pinpoint accuracy.

Let him play loose, do what the heck he feels comfortable doing.... getting out of the pocket, running the ball, etc... If you are going to keep him back there all season, then play to his stronger abilities, because pocket passer is not an ability he has, or ever will have.

He isn't the future here, but we might win some games if you just let him do what he feels comfortable doing. We sure won't lose anymore then will will forcing him to stay in the pocket. If he gets hurt playing that style, he gets hurt... what is the difference right now?
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Agreed. Good post.
 
cowboyeric8 said:
Anybody this is saying it’s the o-line or receivers need to watch without blinders on.

This tweet illustrates what we have seen from Dak since his rookie year. Perfect pocket and two open receivers in the biggest moment of the game. Both Hurns and Beasley are open. He is just as much to blame for the sacks as the o-line.

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What was he running from?
:huh:
 
zerofill said:
I said this a long time ago on the DC forum, think I said it here before as well... Dak is not a pocket passer. They knew he wasn't a pocket passer when they drafted him. Then they tried to take a guy, that already had poor mechanics, and inability to read defenses well, and tried to convert him into a pocket passer. There is no friggin way that someone isn't telling him not to run. Because he had chances to pickup a lot of yardage by running the ball. Someone somewhere in the staff is telling him not to run the ball. Then when he does do it, you hisitates too long, like he is going to get chewed out for it.

Staying in the pocket is like torture to him, you can see it in his face, his movements, etc... He is not Drew Brees. He can not read defenses and pick them apart with his pinpoint accuracy.

Let him play loose, do what the heck he feels comfortable doing.... getting out of the pocket, running the ball, etc... If you are going to keep him back there all season, then play to his stronger abilities, because pocket passer is not an ability he has, or ever will have.

He isn't the future here, but we might win some games if you just let him do what he feels comfortable doing. We sure won't lose anymore then will will forcing him to stay in the pocket. If he gets hurt playing that style, he gets hurt... what is the difference right now?
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The thing is, he still has to be a pocket passer to a large degree because if he is too quick to take off and run the offense never has a chance to gel and be productive. But I do agree he is hesitating, and that seems to me a large part of his problem, whether it is the decision to run or throw. He has to have the confidence to make quicker decisions. Waiting just gives the defense time to cover receivers or close off the run.
 
Cap12 said:
You shouldn't fade back out of the shotgun or pistol. You step up. The shotgun or pistol should allow a QB a second or two more to assess the situation because he can see more. This should allow the ball to come out quicker, but in most cases, this does not happen for Dak. He practically never hits on his first read and by the time he comes back to it, it's no longer there. So he fades back to avoid the rush and throws off his back foot, which greatly affects his accuracy. He needs to learn to trust his primary read and if it's there, take it. If not, then step up and hit another read. If it is a longer developing play then move east and west in the pocket, not backwards.
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I still maintain there was too much pressure and sacks. I like formations under center, I dislike the shotgun. Many fans like it as it is supposed to be easier to release, but not how I look at it. When the ball is snapped in the shotgun, the QB takes his eyes off the defense to look for the ball. It's not much but it's there.
But I agree on his reads and not trusting them.
 
JustChip said:
That's actually a pretty good assessment. His first look was to Beasley but he was doubled with a DB inside and safety over the top. It looks like at that point he shifted to whomever was on the outside left (I assume Williams), but was starting to get a little pressure up the middle. At that point, he pulls it down and starts looking to run, but if he had just slid right in the pocket and kept his eyes downfield, the inside DB on Beasley had blown the coverage and he was wide open coming on the deep in. Plus, Hurns had sat down in the zone and was open because the inside defender jumped to cover Swaim.
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I think a 20 yard pass in that window and the pressure coming looks different in normal speed, JMO.
Either way he's got to trust his reads more.
 
LocimusPrime said:


:muttley::muttley::muttley: This kinda stuff is what tricks some fans. Just watch the throws w your eyes. Don’t look at silly numbers. Watch the plays and where the ball is placed.
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Exactly why I have made fun of stats every time they are used, and gave specific reasons as a computer programmer, why they can not be accurate in this type of setting. But people still keep throwing them up... When they use them as an argument for Dak, you know they are not watching the games, or staring at their phones during the game. Because no one that watches every play of a game could ever consider Dak last year or this year, a starting NFL QB. Now, I would definitely like him as a backup. He can drive the bus at times, and he is built to take a beating.
 
yep make him a rushing qb, what's to lose? Not like he's beating any teams with his arm. sheesh. worse version of Tebow.
 
zerofill said:
Exactly why I have made fun of stats every time they are used, and gave specific reasons as a computer programmer, why they can not be accurate in this type of setting. But people still keep throwing them up... When they use them as an argument for Dak, you know they are not watching the games, or staring at their phones during the game. Because no one that watches every play of a game could ever consider Dak last year or this year, a starting NFL QB. Now, I would definitely like him as a backup. He can drive the bus at times, and he is built to take a beating.
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:hammer: :hammer::hammer:
 
OmerV said:
I know the pass protection wasn't good, but almost every passing play Dak is taking time looking from his primary target the next to the next. It doesn't appear there is ever a quick read on what the defense is doing and where it will be vulnerable. That's especially important when the pass protection isn't holding up. Some I'm sure is the play calling, but as the QB and the guy standing facing the defense at the line of scrimmage, Dak has to make decisions based on what he sees. As a rookie his strength seemed to be not overthinking situations, and just taking what the defense gives. That doesn't seem to be the case now.
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he doesn't trust his arm, nor is able to fit the ball through tight NFL windows consistently. he is waiting, looking giving time to WRs to get more open...it leads to a lot of sacks....
 
Streetwise said:
I think a 20 yard pass in that window and the pressure coming looks different in normal speed, JMO.
Either way he's got to trust his reads more.
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But my take is his initial read was right - Beasley wasn't open and neither was Swaim. He then went to the left - you can't tell what he's seeing there because the camera angle ends at Hurn who is the inside receiver. The problem is his response to the pressure up the middle was to pull the ball down and look to run, but there was a LB or DL there. Had he simply slid a step to the right (the pressure up the front was actually being pushed to his left side), keeping his eyes upfield the whole time, he could've (I won't say should've because the camera isn't at his eye level) seen Beasley coming open and tried hitting him.

Looking to run in this instance led to a sack/fumble. That's what is expected from a rookie QB and, frankly, a 2nd year QB, albeit a 2nd year QB should be better at it than a rookie. The fact that he's doing that in his 3rd year is of concern. It's just one game and everyone has a bad game - Matt Ryan had a horrible game and he's far more experienced than Dak. But if this is a consistent issue all year, it'll rightly be time to be looking for another QB.
 
well when can't throw the all to wide open B Jarwin - my gawd
 
JustChip said:
That's actually a pretty good assessment. His first look was to Beasley but he was doubled with a DB inside and safety over the top. It looks like at that point he shifted to whomever was on the outside left (I assume Williams), but was starting to get a little pressure up the middle. At that point, he pulls it down and starts looking to run, but if he had just slid right in the pocket and kept his eyes downfield, the inside DB on Beasley had blown the coverage and he was wide open coming on the deep in. Plus, Hurns had sat down in the zone and was open because the inside defender jumped to cover Swaim.
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And there wasn't even much pressure until late, he is hearing/seeing ghosts.
 
LocimusPrime said:


Yo Steven and will McClay. Watch this video again, and draft us a guy like that or better.
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Funny thing I was always amazed at, was him sensing pressure. Which he had a bunch of in many of those clips. The one where he moves out when the defender is behind him... how the heck does he even know that guy is there? lol

He was a lot of fun to watch.
 
zerofill said:
Funny thing I was always amazed at, was him sensing pressure. Which he had a bunch of in many of those clips. The one where he moves out when the defender is behind him... how the heck does he even know that guy is there? lol

He was a lot of fun to watch.
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He did have that uncanny feel for someone coming up from his blindside. Staubach had it too.
 
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