Dak has got to evolve if we want to beat Eagles

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CeeDee is a good #1 & Cooper is a good #1.

All our other guys are 3rd, 4th and 5th receiving options who were elevated by having two #1 wrs

Gallop, Schultz, Brown, and Wilson. None of these guys are above a 3rd wr on paper
Gallup is a solid #2, but he's still not close to being 100% recovered from that torn ACL. It will take him another year. You're right, though, CeeDee is our only #1, and the rest are much lesser receivers who don't get any separation.
 

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Gallup is a solid #2, but he's still not close to being 100% recovered from that torn ACL. It will take him another year. You're right, though, CeeDee is our only #1, and the rest are much lesser receivers who don't get any separation.
he went on a streak of 7 scoreless games. And has only scored a td in 2 out of the last 10 games he's played so his stats are just very low.

He's definitely had 2 way off years statistically back to back
 

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Ronnie, ive given you a 'like' for the post as it's factually correct. However, that comment smacks of the exact argument from Dak Hater's, that Dak needs everything around him to perform.
I'll give him a mulligan for that performance as the hill i'm attacking is "Kellen, why arent we running??"....dont throw the whole running game away because it failed on 7 for 12 yards on the Texans goal line, process why it's failing (may well be the Ball factor, or even basic play design he called).

No quarterback can throw the ball as well when he's being hit. Not a one.. Not now, not back in the day, not ever. The first INT was a a bad read as the underneath guy snuck in there to get a hand on the ball. That's football, it happens. Moore's play calling after the first series was borderline brain dead. The goal line sequence that they stuffed all came as a result of packing it in tight and getting no push. I'm fine if you try that a couple of times but when they stuff it you have to regroup, spread them out and give the backs a chance to score without having to move the entire defense as well as your entire offensive line. Give me Zeke one on one going north-south against almost anybody in the league with two yards to go. Zeke against 3, 4, 5? Never gonna work. I have been on this about Moore for years. He's smart enough.. but he just lacks that feel for play calling. He gets stuck in a rut sometimes and just can't seem to break out when the defense figures out what he's doing.
 

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Go watch the final drive again. Notice that Jason Peters is at right tackle and watch the beautiful on target passes by Dak Prescott.
You cazn;t just cherry pick one play...or even one drive...to make assessments.

We know Dak CAN do those things. He has to be more consistent...and fewer "brain farts". (I know..there's not THAT many...).

We'd be devastating...unbeatable.
 

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Have you seen Dak's stats since he returned?

The Cowboys got away from the run game AGAIN yesterday. That is on Kelly and Big Mike.

Dak had a pass tipped and his arm got hit. Not exactly things he can control.
Can't move around a bit? Sense the pressure?

I know it happens. It's actually happening a lot more...lot's of QB finger hand injuries. I think they're teaching the technique.

I just don;t think it's fair to say "nothing you can do...just throw it anyway".
 

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Cowherd put up some interesting stats of late. While I'm reticent to read too much into it, the numbers do seem to indicate that less of Prescott is more and he still has some ground to make up on where he finished last year in QBR (11th at 60.5). The first game against Tampa obviously hurts him but with eight games under his belt [6-2] you would hope he'd be higher up the pole by now. Back out that game and he's probably around where he finished last year...which would put him 7th in QBR (just over Burrow).

Prescott...34 or less attempts.....44 - 13 [currently 19th in QBR at 52.4]
Prescott...35 or more attempts...16 - 24

Mahomes...35 or more attempts...43 - 15 [current nfl leader in QBR at 77.9]

All this is to say that Prescott isn't quite at his best yet. Hopefully that is still to come.


What those numbers don't tell you is that Mahomes has played his entire career for one of the best OCs and play callers the game has ever seen ... and Dak has played his entire career for.. well something less than that. The play caller and the systems matter. The Cowboys have been built around the running game since Dak got here. When the Cowboys have gotten a big lead they start turning around and handing it off. The Chiefs have always been a passing team so when they get a big lead they keep chuckin it. You WANT your team to be more successful doing the things YOU want to do. Typically you win more when you play YOUR game. That's the way of sports. Passing a lot has NOT been the Cowboys' game as it were. Frankly, I prefer the physical smash mouth brand of football so pointing out that the Cowboys are better when they do it isn't a criticism to me. It's music to my ears..
 

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No quarterback can throw the ball as well when he's being hit. Not a one.. Not now, not back in the day, not ever. The first INT was a a bad read as the underneath guy snuck in there to get a hand on the ball. That's football, it happens. Moore's play calling after the first series was borderline brain dead. The goal line sequence that they stuffed all came as a result of packing it in tight and getting no push. I'm fine if you try that a couple of times but when they stuff it you have to regroup, spread them out and give the backs a chance to score without having to move the entire defense as well as your entire offensive line. Give me Zeke one on one going north-south against almost anybody in the league with two yards to go. Zeke against 3, 4, 5? Never gonna work. I have been on this about Moore for years. He's smart enough.. but he just lacks that feel for play calling. He gets stuck in a rut sometimes and just can't seem to break out when the defense figures out what he's doing.
Spot on, Ronnie!

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We need mistake free football and contain and attack hurts. He runs a lot, we had a rough game this week because they did a whole game doing rpo plays..
 

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We need mistake free football and contain and attack hurts. He runs a lot, we had a rough game this week because they did a whole game doing rpo plays..

More like a rough half. The Texans put up 3 points in the second half. Quinn and his guys made the adjustment and put the kibosh on it. The key to stopping the Eagles comes down to one word.. discipline. The Cowboys defenders have to know their assignment and stick to it, and trust the guy next to him to stick to his. If you do that you stop the read offense. Assuming of course you have good enough players not to be getting blown off the ball. If that's happening you're not stopping any offense.. But if everybody plays assignment football, and you assign someone to the QB, like Wilson or Kearse, you're playing 11 on eleven and you have everyone accounted for. Everybody do your job and force them to make a great play to beat you. Don't beat yourself.
 

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He has got to realize it’s a team game and it’s not all on him. It’s almost as he is forcing balls to rack up stats. Zeke is as good as I have seen him in years and pollard is a star. Lean on the run game and let them carry us. We don’t need all these force throws to win. We need him to stop turning the ball over and let the team rally around him. Oh and Kellen Moore needs to stop pulling the fullback in short yardage.
It's year 7 and he is clearly playing his worst football of his career.

He's not getting better. He has peaked.

It's time to just accept that and hope for the best moving forward.
 

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@cnuball21 What does ALL 22 say about our separation? Im a pass off the run game guy that says we need the run, prevent cover-2 scenario's and create gap's/separation later on.

I don’t get the all 22. When I watch the games live - Lamb is the only one on the field that consistently separate. Gallup usually has a DB in his hip pocket, likely bc he’s lost hurst from injury, and Noah is a JAG.

I’m all about running the ball. But when we struggle to run you have to have WRs that can win. I don’t
think we do. I also think the team shares the same concern as after they let Cooper walk they tried to trade for Cooks, sign OBJ and eventually signed Hilton. This is why we see so many tight window passes and throws in traffic.
 

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I don’t get the all 22. When I watch the games live - Lamb is the only one on the field that consistently separate. Gallup usually has a DB in his hip pocket, likely bc he’s lost hurst from injury, and Noah is a JAG.

I’m all about running the ball. But when we struggle to run you have to have WRs that can win. I don’t
think we do. I also think the team shares the same concern as after they let Cooper walk they tried to trade for Cooks, sign OBJ and eventually signed Hilton. This is why we see so many tight window passes and throws in traffic.


Yep.. very little in the way of separation being created by the receivers not named Lamb.. and smart teams are doubling him or rolling coverage his way. The plan they used against the Colts or lining him up in the slot a lot and moving him constantly worked to perfection. Why they didn't do more of that against the Texans is a mystery only Moore can solve. Maybe they didn't respect the Texans' secondary and didn't feel the need to trick it up much. I don't know.
 
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