Dak has ruined this team

[Cboyfan4ever]

if you think we had a chance, then you are living in fantasy. that was a desparate play. desparate and chaotic. I doubt if we would have scored a TD if we ran a play. this was a stupid team with dumb players making dumb plays all year long including the first game of the season.

I’m not talking about the QB draw.the series before.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In the 49ers play off game any QB with a brain and reasonable football IQ would have been able to slide and hand the ball to the referee within the allotted time yet people somehow give Prescott a pass. Hilarious the love and willingness to throw themselves under the bus for the Cowboys' version of Blake Bortles!

We had a Superbowl calibre roster last season yet came up short. Whatever had gone before, the Cowboys QB had the ball in his hands on the final possession to win the game vs the 49ers...yet he wasn't able to execute. People claim he's better than Stafford who was able to complete final drive after final drive in the play offs on his way to winning the Superbowl. What do people actually watch. You have to also question if the penalties on the o-line are always due to coaching, the o-lineman or is it occasionally the QB...do they all know the snap count, do they understand his cadence...or is it always the coaching (including all the different coaches over the past 6 years)...

Given the lack of football IQ Prescott showed towards the backend of last season...I think we all know the problem with the offense.

not really. they did it as they were supposed to, I watched a few other plays like this and the closest referee just went and touched the ball, instead of the normal referee running from the back and just touching it. so there was a bit of a mess up with Refs, that killed precious seconds.

second, this team is stupid, all across the board. this wasn't the first dumb thing the team had done. it started in tampa game and in that game it was zeke and CD.

which tells me the players don't have a clue and are not smart and its the coaches and OCs responsibility to make sure they communicate any minute details about how they want the players to react and what to do. the fact that the players kept making stupid plays all year long just tells me the coaching sucks and lacks.

now, this play stands out because its the last play of the season and its Dak and we know that's a hot topic button.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I’m not talking about the QB draw.After Jimmy G pick they went 3 and out and the series before.

ok, I agree. we didn't lose the game on that last draw and running out of time. we lost the game a while before that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lots of screwed up plays. We gave there qb way to much respect. If we were sending run blitzes we would have been better off. Any pressure and he folds.

14 penalties...for 120 yards....that's a TD. 7 pre snap penalties. that's stupid. 170 rushing yards. we knew they are going to come in and run the ball and we still gave up 170 yards. zeke averaged 2.5 YPC and they were defending us with 4 or 5 man fronts. we ran the ball 16 times. seriously!!!... Dak sucked. Zeke sucked. OL sucked. Defense Sucked. Gregory SUCKED. Moore sucked. MM sucked. it was an all around stinker.

 

[glimmerman]

14 penalties...for 120 yards....that's a TD. 7 pre snap penalties. that's stupid. 170 rushing yards. we knew they are going to come in and run the ball and we still gave up 170 yards. zeke averaged 2.5 YPC and they were defending us with 4 or 5 man fronts. we ran the ball 16 times. seriously!!!... Dak sucked. Zeke sucked. OL sucked. Defense Sucked. Gregory SUCKED. Moore sucked. MM sucked. it was an all around stinker.

Yes sir. I knew at the end of the first quarter it was a loss.

 

[Cboyfan4ever]

Yes sir. I knew at the end of the first quarter it was a loss.

Team was not ready to play.

 

[glimmerman]

Team was not ready to play.

Not even close. That’s on coaching. I was hoping the Defense or Offense would make that play that sparks the team and they take over the game. We played there game and not ours.

 

[fivetwos]

My new theory......

Prescott only wanted 35 million a year but Jerry insisted on 40 so y'all would talk about it endlessly.

 

[ICP]

This team was ruined long before Dak came along

 

[Haimerej]

It's not nonsense unless your a fan.

They're not dating. Whatever, "chemistry," they had would've gone by the wayside if Tony were given a chance and performed well. But we'll never know and here we are 6 years later wondering.

 

[Vtwin]

well, he refused it because Jerry wanted a longer contract and Dak wanted a shorter contract. imagine if Jerry would have agreed and signed the shorter contract and then next year we could get of his deal.

and Jones didn't have to franchise him next year.

Jones didn't have to give him his 160M contract.

Here we go again? In the same damn thread!? lol

This is some weird logic.

Your argument is that, Person A and Person B are negotiating a deal. Person A offers Person B a deal that essentially mirrors the deals which the peers of Person B have just received. Person B turns down this offer because he wants something that is unprecedented to date, in deals of this nature.

It is your position that the failure of the deal is entirely the responsibility of Person A for not giving in to the demands of person B? The unprecedented demands I might add, again.

Come on my friend. You yourself said in our previous exchange on this topic. "It takes two to tango".


I will add that I do not believe that the contract length issue was even a factor in the first round of negotiations in 2019. It did not come in to play until after Dak's rookie contract was off the books. A four year extension in 2019 was likely the offer he got, key word being extension. That was the precedent for all big QB deals. The 4 vs 5 only came into play after an extension was no longer possible.

If you have information to refute this please correct me. I would much rather get it right than to just try and be right.

Jerry franchising him and ultimately paying him has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said in the post you responded to so I have no idea why you are even bringing it up.

 

[George]

your math sucks...you took average and actual cap value in a year.

so in 2023, expected cap is 260M....then what?

Like YOUR Math works! Where’s the results chipper?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Think about all that we’ve given up for this teams buy in with him

-cap hell for the next decade

-losing out on good players and free agents

-he’s about to get his second coach fired next year

-the 2016 decision to go with him over Romo leading to a first round exit

-squandering the best cowboys team in 20 years with another first round exit due to poor qb play

-cutting or trading players who don’t get along with Dak or we just can’t simply afford them anymore


Think about the following qb option we had the last 2 years

1. Tom Brady
2. Aaron Rodgers
3. Russell Wilson
4. Dashaun Watson
5. Matt Stafford


And Dak makes more money than all of them. I know this isn’t all predicated on Dak but it’s kind of hard not to feel that we’ve been cheated out of something since we signed him to this ridiculous deal

So don't let the door hit you in the behind on the way out of Cowboys fandom.

If you are/ever were a fan of the Cowboys....

 

[VaqueroTD]

The worst mistake any team can make is pick the wrong franchise QB. Whether that be one of the highest contracts at that position, or the other end, picking a #1 draft pick overall or a comparable pick at the position.

It sucks, but it's the way it goes. It's the most important position on the team, especially in today's passing game, and it costs the most. If I were a GM or Owner, I'd pray to every football god out there before making the plunge.

Are we there yet with Dak? No. But yeah, it doesn't look good. I'm definitely leaning more towards the "we made a mistake" side more than the "we picked a winner" side. There's still time, but the clock is running out quickly.

 

[basel90]

He does both. He panics and won't get rid of the ball when his WR has a step on his man and ends up holding the ball and than either throwing it away or getting sacked. Than and 10 min later he doesn't want to take the sack and throws it away when the opponent is in his face. He never stay upright and takes a hit to deliver the ball like we see many QBs do. He can't because without being able to step into his throw he can't can't get much on the ball. His arm is a joke when he can't use his body and legs to help him.

Exactly . He is erratic and inconsistent. His decision maker is very troubling . With QBs , they either have that or don’t. Dak’s contract , but more importantly, his predictability will continue to weaken this offense and team . No one talks about it much but he is a huge impediment. His nice demeanor and likable character has glossed over his deficiencies on the field .

 

[DeaconMoss]

Yes sir. I knew at the end of the first quarter it was a loss.

I knew before the season started. And I know before next season starts and any after that. Dak is trash.

 

[basel90]

You dont think 19.7 is a steal compared to what other QB's are being paid? come on your letting a bias say things that go against reason...Dak at 19.7 is super effecint for a QB contract....this FO is the problem and anything after that is just you looking for a way not to come to turms with an unfixable problem with this franchise...

19.7 mil is a good cap hit due to FO having to spread the 160 mil ( the real problem ) contract . This contract does 3 bad things for the cowboys
1 ) precludes the team from acquiring or looking at a top up and coming QB that can be a difference maker , which Dak as we have seen is NOT.
2) eats up the future cap
3) gives us 5-6 years of the same Dak play .

We will have to be so elite on defense or with the running game to overcome the QB mediocrity, which we have seen all season , especially in the playoffs or against good defensive teams . If you look at his play against the 49ers , Broncos , Arizona last year you will see all these warning signs with Dak .

 

[G2]

They're not dating. Whatever, "chemistry," they had would've gone by the wayside if Tony were given a chance and performed well. But we'll never know and here we are 6 years later wondering.

All that matters is winning, which is why Romo didn't play again. No one was confident he could finish a season.
I'm not wondering, it was the logical thing to do, keep playing the guy producing and helping get wins. From a players POV, that's all that matters. Huge fan when he played, I supported him, but somehow he got propelled into the HOF. Time to let it go.

 

[Haimerej]

All that matters is winning, which is why Romo didn't play again. No one was confident he could finish a season.
I'm not wondering, it was the logical thing to do, keep playing the guy producing and helping get wins. From a players POV, that's all that matters. Huge fan when he played, I supported him, but somehow he got propelled into the HOF. Time to let it go.

No one put him in the Hall of Fame. I'll say now what I said then- he was a better QB in 2016 than Dak in 2016. You see it Jerry's way, I'll see it mine.

 

[G2]

No one put him in the Hall of Fame. I'll say now what I said then- he was a better QB in 2016 than Dak in 2016. You see it Jerry's way, I'll see it mine.

Not sure why you're being a dick, it has nothing to do with Jerry. It's about the players. I simply disagree. You think if he played with Elliott we're SB bound, but he played with a RB that had the best season in Dallas history and couldn't pull it off. My guess is when Prescott's career is over, he will clearly have a better career by his own merit. Just my opinion.